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BobHope1284

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I was just checking out this diamond on Blue Nile. Unfortunately I can''t get pictures of an IS of it, but it has been looked at and the SA on the phone said it was confirmed eye clean.

I''ve put the stats into HCA and it scores a .9


Carat weight: 1.39
Cut: Ideal
Color: F
Clarity: SI2
Depth %: 62.3%
Table %: 55%
Symmetry: Excellent
Polish: Very Good
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 7.15 x 7.10 x 4.44 mm
Crown: 35%
Pavilion: 40.6%
 
Promising. What is the lower half and star numbers?
 
what does that mean?
 
On the GIA report, the star number will be shown on the proportions diagram on the upper left, it should be around 50-55%. The lower half number will be on the bottom left, it will probably be 75 or 80%.
 
Date: 1/11/2010 5:14:32 PM
Author: jet2ks
On the GIA report, the star number will be shown on the proportions diagram on the upper left, it should be around 50-55%. The lower half number will be on the bottom left, it will probably be 75 or 80%.
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GIA report shows 55% and 80%
 
OK, as long as it is eye-clean, then the numbers are very good.
 
Ditto jet.
 
Looks good. The longer lgf will make the arrows thinner and make the flashes more splintery. Some love this look, some don''t.
 
So you guys recommend I buy it?
 
Depends on how much of a risk taker are you. I personally would not want to buy it without an IS image, but that is just me.
 
Date: 1/11/2010 6:47:01 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Depends on how much of a risk taker are you. I personally would not want to buy it without an IS image, but that is just me.
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Given the numbers and grading, how risky a proposition is this stone?
 
That is just me, I would not want to buy any diamond without IS/ASET image regardless of how good the angles are. Just want something to confirm.

The number on this stone is about as safe as it can be for buying blind.
 
My feeling is that there are too many vendors out there offering IS and photos with competitive prices to buy from one that doesn''t, with one caveat. In my case, I bought an e-ring diamond without images, but very safe numbers, because the vendor (Solomon Brothers) had the setting I wanted and I couldn''t find a similar one anywhere else.
 
Date: 1/11/2010 7:40:28 PM
Author: jet2ks
My feeling is that there are too many vendors out there offering IS and photos with competitive prices to buy from one that doesn''t, with one caveat. In my case, I bought an e-ring diamond without images, but very safe numbers, because the vendor (Solomon Brothers) had the setting I wanted and I couldn''t find a similar one anywhere else.
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I guess i agree generally, but i have been unable to find a stone with these stats(or anything similar) for a price i could afford and I am pretty much positive it''ll look good based on numbers.
 
Date: 1/11/2010 7:57:57 PM
Author: BobHope1284

Date: 1/11/2010 7:40:28 PM
Author: jet2ks
My feeling is that there are too many vendors out there offering IS and photos with competitive prices to buy from one that doesn''t, with one caveat. In my case, I bought an e-ring diamond without images, but very safe numbers, because the vendor (Solomon Brothers) had the setting I wanted and I couldn''t find a similar one anywhere else.
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I guess i agree generally, but i have been unable to find a stone with these stats(or anything similar) for a price i could afford and I am pretty much positive it''ll look good based on numbers.
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I think that we all make compromises sometimes, and if for you that means taking a "chace" without seeing an IS, then go for it. I suspect that this diamond will be fine, and even if it is not perfect, it may not be apparent to you unless you are very familiar with diamonds and know what a super-ideal will look like. As long as there is a very good return policy then the risk is minimal. Note though that the diamond may not be eye clean *for you*, even though the vendor says it is to their standards. This is the biggest potential disappointment that you should be prepared for, more than your feelings about the cut. TRUE eye clean SI2s are hard to find, and SI2 diamonds are priced according to how visible the inclusions are it seems to me. If this diamond is very inexpensive, there will be a reason. So just keep that in mind in case when it comes it does not meet your eye clean standards.

FWIW, I would also not buy a large and expensive diamonds without having photos and IS images.
 
Date: 1/11/2010 9:33:01 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie
Date: 1/11/2010 7:57:57 PM

Author: BobHope1284


Date: 1/11/2010 7:40:28 PM

Author: jet2ks

My feeling is that there are too many vendors out there offering IS and photos with competitive prices to buy from one that doesn''t, with one caveat. In my case, I bought an e-ring diamond without images, but very safe numbers, because the vendor (Solomon Brothers) had the setting I wanted and I couldn''t find a similar one anywhere else.
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I guess i agree generally, but i have been unable to find a stone with these stats(or anything similar) for a price i could afford and I am pretty much positive it''ll look good based on numbers.
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I think that we all make compromises sometimes, and if for you that means taking a ''chace'' without seeing an IS, then go for it. I suspect that this diamond will be fine, and even if it is not perfect, it may not be apparent to you unless you are very familiar with diamonds and know what a super-ideal will look like. As long as there is a very good return policy then the risk is minimal. Note though that the diamond may not be eye clean *for you*, even though the vendor says it is to their standards. This is the biggest potential disappointment that you should be prepared for, more than your feelings about the cut. TRUE eye clean SI2s are hard to find, and SI2 diamonds are priced according to how visible the inclusions are it seems to me. If this diamond is very inexpensive, there will be a reason. So just keep that in mind in case when it comes it does not meet your eye clean standards.


FWIW, I would also not buy a large and expensive diamonds without having photos and IS images.
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The diamond is prices at $6,700 - would this fall in the range of suspiciously inexpensive?
 
Date: 1/11/2010 10:02:58 PM
Author: BobHope1284

Date: 1/11/2010 9:33:01 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie

Date: 1/11/2010 7:57:57 PM

Author: BobHope1284



Date: 1/11/2010 7:40:28 PM

Author: jet2ks

My feeling is that there are too many vendors out there offering IS and photos with competitive prices to buy from one that doesn''t, with one caveat. In my case, I bought an e-ring diamond without images, but very safe numbers, because the vendor (Solomon Brothers) had the setting I wanted and I couldn''t find a similar one anywhere else.
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I guess i agree generally, but i have been unable to find a stone with these stats(or anything similar) for a price i could afford and I am pretty much positive it''ll look good based on numbers.
Click to expand...

I think that we all make compromises sometimes, and if for you that means taking a ''chace'' without seeing an IS, then go for it. I suspect that this diamond will be fine, and even if it is not perfect, it may not be apparent to you unless you are very familiar with diamonds and know what a super-ideal will look like. As long as there is a very good return policy then the risk is minimal. Note though that the diamond may not be eye clean *for you*, even though the vendor says it is to their standards. This is the biggest potential disappointment that you should be prepared for, more than your feelings about the cut. TRUE eye clean SI2s are hard to find, and SI2 diamonds are priced according to how visible the inclusions are it seems to me. If this diamond is very inexpensive, there will be a reason. So just keep that in mind in case when it comes it does not meet your eye clean standards.


FWIW, I would also not buy a large and expensive diamonds without having photos and IS images.
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The diamond is prices at $6,700 - would this fall in the range of suspiciously inexpensive?
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No, not suspicious in the sense of something sinister. But the reality is that diamonds are priced based on what they are worth on the market. If the dealer could get more for that diamonds he/she would. If I had to guess, given the unusually low price of this diamonds, I would guess that it has inclusions that are visible in some lights or angles. I recently bought a G SI2 1.2ct that was also priced much lower than any other diamond of that size and color out there. It is technically eye clean, but in some lights and angles, and from closr distances, I can easily spot its freckles
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That is what you compromise on some times to get the color and size you wan for the price you want to pay.

Or maybe this diamond is just perfect! Who knows. It is the risk you take buying sight unseen.
 
Thanks. I didn''t mean to imply anything sinister, haha. I think I''m goig to take a chance on this diamond and risk having to send it back if it is not clean to my standards. Thank you everyone for your input.
 
Good luck.
 
I actually wonder if someone with Diamcalc could make a mock-up of this diamond for me before I buy?
 
Date: 1/12/2010 11:29:27 AM
Author: BobHope1284
I actually wonder if someone with Diamcalc could make a mock-up of this diamond for me before I buy?
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Wouldn't do any good because the only numbers you have are averages. You would need a Sarin scan and the resulting .srn file that has the individual facets to get an accurate idea of what the diamond would actually look like, and BN does not provide Sarin scans.

At this point, all you can do is order the stone and send it back if you don't like it--BN does have a very good return policy, or you can start your search over again with vendors that supply more information.
 
Ditto jet, no point in using average and rounded numbers of GIA report to do a Diamcalc simulation.
 
Ok, thanks again.

Since everyone here is really down on BN, could you guys recommend another stone from a different retailer that will be similar. I'm looking for something around 1.33 carats, no lower than H color, and Just want an eye-clean stone, whether that be SI1, or SI2. As always cut is my number 1 priority, so I'm looking for only the best cuts.

I want to set it in a plain platinum solitaire setting and I want to get it for around 7K, giver or take a few hundred.
 
That''s going to be hard for a super-ideal diamond. If you are willing to go down to 1.2 (not a noticeable size difference IMO) these would be great. IF not, then I''d comb through the expert selection on WF or the James Allen diamonds to find one whose numbers look good.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2199906.htm (if it''s eye clean)

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2219629.htm

You could have it set in their 6 prong or 4 prong setting. With the pricescope and wire transfer discounts, and maybe a smidge of negotiating, I am pretty confident that you''d be in budget.

This BGD diamond might be great too and I love his "grace" and truth" solitare settings. I''m not sure about their pricing in platinum though...

AGS-1040381680025 Brian Gavin H&A 1.215 H SI1 56.0 61.7 6.83 6.86 4.22 $7,208.00
 
Date: 1/12/2010 12:57:25 PM
Author: Bella_mezzo
That''s going to be hard for a super-ideal diamond. If you are willing to go down to 1.2 (not a noticeable size difference IMO) these would be great. IF not, then I''d comb through the expert selection on WF or the James Allen diamonds to find one whose numbers look good.


http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2199906.htm (if it''s eye clean)


http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2219629.htm


You could have it set in their 6 prong or 4 prong setting. With the pricescope and wire transfer discounts, and maybe a smidge of negotiating, I am pretty confident that you''d be in budget.


This BGD diamond might be great too and I love his ''grace'' and truth'' solitare settings. I''m not sure about their pricing in platinum though...


AGS-1040381680025 Brian Gavin H&A 1.215 H SI1 56.0 61.7 6.83 6.86 4.22 $7,208.00
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Are Brian Gavin diamonds prices negotiable? As it stands with the stone at 7,200 with a setting it''s going to be waaaaaay over budget.
 
4 and 10 o'clock. Might just be the image so really need an IS image.

Missed reading your Pt setting requirement.
 
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