thoughts on these 2??

[novice_buyer]

Looking for some PS thoughts on these 2 stones!

#1: 1.55 (AGS) HSI1 depth-60.6%, tbl-55%, crn-34.9, pav-40.7 - ID/ID

#2: 1.55 (AGS) HSI1 depth 61.3%, tbl-55%, crn-34.1, pav-41 - ID/ID

Ideal scope of #1:

 

[novice_buyer]

ideal scope of #2:

 

[novice_buyer]

picture of #1

 

[novice_buyer]

picture of #2

 

[Shay37]

Number 1 all the way. I like the numbers better, and the depth is right in my sweet spot. Yes, I know that sounds kooky, but it's true.

to me, depth does have a sweet spot.

shay

eta: did I mention that IS rocks!!!

 

[strmrdr]

I like the angles of #2 better
dispite how badly the diamond is tilted in the IS shot the optical symetry looks good.

Get heart images for both.

From there it will boil down to cost.
I wouldnt pay much more for one over the other so the cheaper one will win in my book.

 

[belle]

#1.
the stone in #2 is tilted a bit making the arrows look off, but the idealscope in #1 still looks better.

 

[Kaleigh]

#1 gets my vote. Like the depth and the IS better than #2. This is the first time I have ever disagreed with Storm, yikes. But like he said what is the cost factor???

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/19/2005 11:32:50 PM
Author: kaleigh
#1 gets my vote. Like the depth and the IS better than #2. This is the first time I have ever disagreed with Storm, yikes. But like he said what is the cost factor???

opens spread sheet... adds check mark
Just kidding :}
Both sets of angles work its a wash there
both is images are good == tie

hearts? unknown
cost? unknown

I like the added contrast of the classic cut of the second its subtle and a lot of people might not even notice it.
The 34.1/41 combo is a bright combo which I like.

This is one of those times that personality not quality would be the deciding factor.
In general I perfer the personality of the second over the first slightly.
Id go with the lower cost one.

 

[novice_buyer]

thanks for all the thoughts.

i''ll look into the hearts.

as far as costs, #2 is $500 cheaper than #1.
so sounds like #2 would be the way to go.

 

[MissAva]

Stone One scored a 1 on the HCA and stone Two scored a 1.4, both look great in the pictures and idealscope images. You did not post the measurements of the stones, what are they? I would assume pretty close but that might be a factor to consider. Otherwise 500$ is enough to have me leaning towards number 2.

 

[novice_buyer]

dimensions are:

#1 - 7.49x7.52x4.54

#2 - 7.48 x 7.51 x 4.60

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/20/2005 10:29:18 AM
Author: novice_buyer
dimensions are:


#1 - 7.49x7.52x4.54


#2 - 7.48 x 7.51 x 4.60

Thats a wash too.

Any word on heart photos?

 

[belle]

there is leakage under the table on the second stone, but it''s hard to say without the sarin whether or not that is caused by the tilt or the angles. #1 is still my top pick. you CAN NOT go wrong with an aca.

the hearts for the aca are going to be perfection. that is why the are not posted on the website. here is a link about hearts images for wf.

 

[Tacori E-ring]

I love the pattern of #2

 

[JohnQuixote]

Date: 10/20/2005 2:22:48 PM
Author: belle

the hearts for the aca are going to be perfection. that is why the are not posted on the website. here is a link about hearts images for wf.

Thank you Belle. The clarification is appreciated.

Novice_Buyer I sent you a PM. Belle is correct but I will have the hearts tasked for you if you would like to see them anyway.

 

[belle]

Date: 10/20/2005 4:50:14 PM
Author: JohnQuixote

Date: 10/20/2005 2:22:48 PM
Author: belle

the hearts for the aca are going to be perfection. that is why the are not posted on the website. here is a link about hearts images for wf.

Thank you Belle. The clarification is appreciated.

Novice_Buyer I sent you a PM. Belle is correct but I will have the hearts tasked for you if you would like to see them anyway.

you''re welcome of course sir john.
that is cool that you are going to get pics of the hearts anyway (for strm

)
i could have probably saved you a step though...
i bet they are going to look something like this:

 

[Kaleigh]

I bet they will too belle. Guess we''ll have to wait and see.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/20/2005 5:19:56 PM
Author: belle

Date: 10/20/2005 4:50:14 PM

that is cool that you are going to get pics of the hearts anyway (for strm

)

Tell me belle would it have been fair to just say get the heart photo for the jamesallan diamond?
I dont think it would be.
When comparing 2 diamond's hearts the fair thing to do is compare the real images for both diamonds.
Wouldnt you agree?

I fully expect the aca's hearts to be just fine :}
Im not seeing anything that leads me to believe that the others are bad either.
So the fair thing to do if its going to be part of the buying decision is too look at the actual heart images for both and compare them.

 

[belle]

strm, you''ve made it clear that you would pick the lower priced stone. you know exactly what aca hearts look like. what in the hearts is going to change your decsion?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/20/2005 5:49:48 PM
Author: belle
strm, you''ve made it clear that you would pick the lower priced stone. you know exactly what aca hearts look like. what in the hearts is going to change your decsion?

Well if the aca''s hearts look $500 better of course then it would win.
hmmmm what do $500 better hearts look like.
We might find out, might not.
Its another piece to the puzzle and the puzzle is never done until all the pieces are in place and the person buying it is comfortable with it.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 10/20/2005 6:12:00 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 10/20/2005 5:49:48 PM
Author: belle
strm, you''ve made it clear that you would pick the lower priced stone. you know exactly what aca hearts look like. what in the hearts is going to change your decsion?

Well if the aca''s hearts look $500 better of course then it would win.
hmmmm what do $500 better hearts look like.
We might find out, might not.
Its another piece to the puzzle and the puzzle is never done until all the pieces are in place and the person buying it is comfortable with it.

i agree with strm...
WF always been shy about showing their ACA hearts.i know,i know,they''re all suppose to be perfect. so...why not show them?

 

[Shay37]

I thought those hearts looked familiar.

shay

 

[strmrdr]

Before this thread goes in a direction I didn''t intend I want to say a few things.

1. every ACA heart image Iv seen has met Brian''s guarantee for true h&a
2. every ACA heart image Iv seen has met my standard for true h&a
3. To say they all look the same is not true and that is not what the guarantee is. The guarantee is they will meet Brian''s standard for true h&a which is very high.

I dont think this one will be the exception.

The possiblity exists however that the other diamond under discussion has true h&a patterns also.
If its just close to it then the matter of $500 comes into play and if the difference is worth $500.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 10/20/2005 7:18:49 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
i agree with strm...
WF always been shy about showing their ACA hearts. i know,i know,they''re all suppose to be perfect. so...why not show them?

DF....that''s a crock of what makes the grass grow.

WF has NEVER been shy about showing their ACA hearts. They HAVE been unwilling to invest a boatload of time photographing hearts images just to satisfy one particularly vocal and insistent faction here.......who is not even in the market for a diamond.

If I were a Toyota dealer, I''m fine taking anyone who''s a potential BUYER for a test drive in the Corolla of their choice. Maybe even two. But I''m not about to have a pedestrian bystander who''s not even in the market for a car demand a test drive of every single Corolla on my lot just to satisfy himself that the quality is consistent. As far as I''m concerned as the dealer there....I don''t care if he believes or not if he ain''t buying.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 10/20/2005 8:33:48 PM
Author: strmrdr
Before this thread goes in a direction I didn''t intend I want to say a few things.

1. every ACA heart image Iv seen has met Brian''s guarantee for true h&a
2. every ACA heart image Iv seen has met my standard for true h&a
3. To say they all look the same is not true and that is not what the guarantee is. The guarantee is they will meet Brian''s standard for true h&a which is very high.

I dont think this one will be the exception.

It''s worth pointing out that Brian is one of the leaders in being a standard-bearer for true hearts and arrows. Considering that "Brian''s standard" is among the most stringent standards around, I''m quite confident that guarantee would satisfy any customer.

You guys can boondoggle this all you want to, but facts is facts.

 

[aljdewey]

In the interest of keeping this thread on track, let me offer input to Novice Buyer, the OP.

From these numbers and images, it would seem you cannot go wrong no matter which you select. Both look to be stunning stones.

As a matter of personal preference, I prefer the stats on the first stone because I *personally* prefer stones that are a bit more shallow. I also know I like the performance in stones with the crown/pav. combo of #1.

Again, that''s just personal preference. is there any way you can send both to a local appraiser to see them yourself? It really is about a stone''s personality and what speaks to you.

 

[JohnQuixote]

I'd like to note that ACA patterning has never been touted as 'perfect.' Strm stated it correctly; they all meet Brian's published standards. Before I expound on this for new readers, I want to acknowledge that there are a few regulars here on PS who would like to see more examples of Brian's ACA hearts - not to criticize - but because they are enthusiasts. This is an important distinction. One we understand and welcome.

For those who are unaware, the patterning in all diamonds Brian Gavin brands as "A Cut Above" conforms to a published set of standards. It is our hope that Brian's written guarantee as a leading authority on H&A, the many years of ACA consistency and thousands of satisfied clients have earned a measure of reputability and trust. Magnified photos of every hearts image could be taken, but you’ll find they all meet the standards presented at the IDCC in 2004. Aljdewey correctly stated our reasons for putting manpower into other images and measurements: Instead of tasking the hours of labor necessary to produce hundreds of photos - which have proven unnecessary to the majority of ACA buyers - we elect to provide a hearts image on request for the customer who wishes to see it.

We have no problem performing this service for an interested buyer.

Earlier I tasked the hearts image for this thread. Novice_Buyer PM'd me with his email address and I've sent it to him. Since interest has gained momentum in this thread I hope he does not mind if I post it here as well.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 10/20/2005 9:05:31 PM
Author: aljdewey

Date: 10/20/2005 7:18:49 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
i agree with strm...
WF always been shy about showing their ACA hearts. i know,i know,they''re all suppose to be perfect. so...why not show them?

DF....that''s a crock of what makes the grass grow.

WF has NEVER been shy about showing their ACA hearts. They HAVE been unwilling to invest a boatload of time photographing hearts images just to satisfy one particularly vocal and insistent faction here.......who is not even in the market for a diamond.

If I were a Toyota dealer, I''m fine taking anyone who''s a potential BUYER for a test drive in the Corolla of their choice. Maybe even two. But I''m not about to have a pedestrian bystander who''s not even in the market for a car demand a test drive of every single Corolla on my lot just to satisfy himself that the quality is consistent. As far as I''m concerned as the dealer there....I don''t care if he believes or not if he ain''t buying.

Alj
oh yeah...how many ACA hearts of the actual stone have you seen posted here on PS? they''re selling H&A stones so why not post teh actual "hearts" picture on their website?

first of all...i love WF, i been a satisfy customer of WF.after i purchase a 5 stone 1.27 ctw ACA ring from WF,i took it and compared with the same size HOF ring. the ACA ring was just as beautiful

if not better than the HOF ring at a much lower price plus the color & clarity is higher on teh ACA ring.i highly recommen ACA stone over HOF any day.

luckily for Toyota you''re not one of the managers at their dealership.how do you know who''s a POTENTIAL buyer or a tire kicker? you can read someones mind?

so... you would say something like

i''m sorry sir you can''t test drive one of our cars b/c i know you ain''t buying one!!!

 

[strmrdr]

Thank you JohnQ as expected it is true h&a.
I expected nothing less.
Now when the heart images for the other come in we can compare.
I think this thread is turning into a very educational thread.
Thank you for the help.
Thank you for understanding that im in no way attacking WF ACA patterns.
Yes id like to see more heart images for ACA's and thats what it has been about not the quality of the hearts.

In this thread a comparison was sought not an attack on WF.
Im looking forward to the hearts for the other diamond under discussion being posted so we can move forward.