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What are your thoughts on this Radiant? Coda, any thoughts??

I know I''m probably being annoying, I''m just kind of freaked out over this purchase!


Certificate: GIA
Shape: Radiant
Carat: 1.32
Color: E
Clarity: VS1
Regular Price: $8515
Wire Transfer Price: $8267

Diamond Proportions:
Measurements: 6.06-6.05-4.01
Length to Width: 1.00
Depth Percentage: 66.3 %
Table Percentage: 65 %
Girdle: STK
Culet: None (Pointed)
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None (Inert)
Special Notes:
 
Kmick, it is easier to keep to one thread, otherwise it gets confusing.
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Again you need to ask your vendor for photographs of the diamond, and an ASET image if they have one, as like I said before, you can''t tell much by the numbers with these shapes.
 
Date: 5/14/2008 1:56:08 PM
Author: Lorelei
Kmick, it is easier to keep to one thread, otherwise it gets confusing.
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Again you need to ask your vendor for photographs of the diamond, and an ASET image if they have one, as like I said before, you can't tell much by the numbers with these shapes.
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Lorelei, these respones honestly aren't helping me!

I cant see the diamond and im not going to trust the gemologist's opinion. obviously they wanna sell a diamond! honestly all diamonds look the same to me, my opinion is going to be worthless.

can't you judge a diamond based on it's metrics? what is the ASET image going to show me? if i can even get one?
 
Date: 5/14/2008 2:04:50 PM
Author: kmick




Date: 5/14/2008 1:56:08 PM
Author: Lorelei
Kmick, it is easier to keep to one thread, otherwise it gets confusing.
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Again you need to ask your vendor for photographs of the diamond, and an ASET image if they have one, as like I said before, you can't tell much by the numbers with these shapes.
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Lorelei, these respones honestly aren't helping me!

I cant see the diamond and im not going to trust the gemologist's opinion. obviously they wanna sell a diamond! honestly all diamonds look the same to me, my opinion is going to be worthless.

can't you judge a diamond based on it's metrics? what is the ASET image going to show me? if i can even get one?
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I am really sorry you are not finding my advice helpful, especially as I did my best to help you in your earlier thread, but I am trying to give you the best advice I know how. I am just a consumer, as are many of us here, and I can tell you from what I have learned over my time here, is that you CAN'T judge a radiant by the numbers so much. The reason I advised you to get photos also, is because radiants can show very different looks which can't be predicted by the numbers. These are really essential in order to be able to see what you are buying and whether you like the look of the diamond or not. Some have chunkier facets and some more of a crushed ice look, very different looks to each other.

When buying online, many of the vendors here have worked hard to get and keep an excellent reputation, and have to act as our eyes. It benefits no one to have diamonds whizzing back and forth because the gemologist / vendor didn't describe a diamond accurately. So there has to be a degree of trust in your chosen vendor. Also ASET helps to evaluate light return to the eye, and is the standard advice given to posters who want to buy a fancy shape diamond. I am really sorry if my advice isn't what you want to hear, but I think you will find that many of the other posters will tell you the same, and to suggest that you can buy a radiant by the numbers and accurately predict how it looks, is not perhaps the best advice to give.

I wish you luck with your purchase.
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Date: 5/14/2008 2:10:05 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 5/14/2008 2:04:50 PM
Author: kmick



Date: 5/14/2008 1:56:08 PM
Author: Lorelei
Kmick, it is easier to keep to one thread, otherwise it gets confusing.
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Again you need to ask your vendor for photographs of the diamond, and an ASET image if they have one, as like I said before, you can''t tell much by the numbers with these shapes.
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Lorelei, these respones honestly aren''t helping me!

I cant see the diamond and im not going to trust the gemologist''s opinion. obviously they wanna sell a diamond! honestly all diamonds look the same to me, my opinion is going to be worthless.

can''t you judge a diamond based on it''s metrics? what is the ASET image going to show me? if i can even get one?
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I am really sorry you are not finding my advice helpful, especially as I did my best to help you in your earlier thread, but I am trying to give you the best advice I know how. I am just a consumer, as are many of us here, and I can tell you from what I have learned over my time here, is that you CAN''T judge a radiant by the numbers so much. The reason I advised you to get photos also, is because radiants can show very different looks which can''t be predicted by the numbers. These are really essential in order to be able to see what you are buying and whether you like the look of the diamond or not. Some have chunkier facets and some more of a crushed ice look, very different looks to each other.

When buying online, many of the vendors here have worked hard to get and keep an excellent reputation, and have to act as our eyes. It benefits no one to have diamonds whizzing back and forth because the gemologist / vendor didn''t describe a diamond accurately. Also ASET helps to evaluate light return to the eye, and is the standard advice given to posters who want to buy a fancy shape diamond.

I wish you luck with your purchase.
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Ok, well hopefully union can hook me up with some of those things and ill share with the forum.

I''ll keep this one my thread and won''t start anymore, and I do appreciate your help! Im just frustrated w. this is all.
 
Date: 5/14/2008 2:12:34 PM
Author: kmick

Ok, well hopefully union can hook me up with some of those things and ill share with the forum.

I''ll keep this one my thread and won''t start anymore, and I do appreciate your help! Im just frustrated w. this is all.
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I understand. I WISH it was as easy as looking at a set of numbers and being able to know how a radiant will look, but it really isn''t the case unfortunately. It really might be easiest to at least ask for photographs of your chosen diamonds, to give you an idea of how they look, as even the experts may tell you that these shape diamonds can be tricky and unpredictable to judge by numbers. Many vendors will provide you with photos if you ask them, so that might be your best way forward.
 
Date: 5/14/2008 2:15:50 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 5/14/2008 2:12:34 PM
Author: kmick


Ok, well hopefully union can hook me up with some of those things and ill share with the forum.

I''ll keep this one my thread and won''t start anymore, and I do appreciate your help! Im just frustrated w. this is all.
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I understand. I WISH it was as easy as looking at a set of numbers and being able to know how a radiant will look, but it really isn''t the case unfortunately. It really might be easiest to at least ask for photographs of your chosen diamonds, to give you an idea of how they look, as even the experts may tell you that these shape diamonds can be tricky and unpredictable to judge by numbers. Many vendors will provide you with photos if you ask them, so that might be your best way forward.
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Ok, i''ve requested a photo. I dont know if Im going to be able to get an ASET image or not. Can i email it to you or post it on here for feeback?

Thanks for your help Lorelei!

Kevin
 
Date: 5/14/2008 3:04:20 PM
Author: kmick

Date: 5/14/2008 2:15:50 PM
Author: Lorelei


Date: 5/14/2008 2:12:34 PM
Author: kmick



Ok, well hopefully union can hook me up with some of those things and ill share with the forum.

I''ll keep this one my thread and won''t start anymore, and I do appreciate your help! Im just frustrated w. this is all.
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I understand. I WISH it was as easy as looking at a set of numbers and being able to know how a radiant will look, but it really isn''t the case unfortunately. It really might be easiest to at least ask for photographs of your chosen diamonds, to give you an idea of how they look, as even the experts may tell you that these shape diamonds can be tricky and unpredictable to judge by numbers. Many vendors will provide you with photos if you ask them, so that might be your best way forward.
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Ok, i''ve requested a photo. I dont know if Im going to be able to get an ASET image or not. Can i email it to you or post it on here for feeback?

Thanks for your help Lorelei!

Kevin
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Thats fine Kevin, go ahead and post the photo when you get it here.
 
Lorelei gave you very good advice. Shopping for a radiant can be stressful. There are so many factors to consider, and you can''t predict performance by the numbers. The only number you can trust absolutely is probably the length/width ratio which is a personal preference and can also make the faceting look different. I got my radiant from Whiteflash who provided pictures, ASET, and a Sarin report. Go with a vendor who will provide these or more. Even if you don''t care about the faceting, you should still check for light return. You can also have the diamond sent to an appraiser near you where you can view it and get a second opinion before purchase.

Good luck with your purchase. Relax and enjoy the journey. It helps when you are working with a trusted vendor.
 
I have to agree with the previous posters - you did receive good advice. I myself was shopping for a radiant and realized that numbers could help you exclude some stones that were less likely to look great, but not pick a specific one. I had stones sent to an independent appraiser and picked one that I liked. Alternatively you can also go to a jeweller and have him/her show you a number of stones side by side. Maybe you can find one that you like and at a reasonable price. You can also get an "original" radiant sent to a jeweller (www.radiantcut.com)to see it in person; that may also make it more likey to get a quality stone, assuming that a branded one is a sign of quality. Price premiums seem to be around 20%-30% though and you may like a non-branded stone better in the end. Patience is key here - another price to pay for a radiant! But it is well worth it.
 
Date: 5/14/2008 4:29:32 PM
Author: coda72
As everyone else has said, I can't tell much by just the numbers alone. But I prefer the ones that I posted the links for, if for no other reason than they are larger than this one. You are paying for more carat weight, but not getting the size for it. I would definitely check this one out again and contact the vendor. It's a good price for what could be a good diamond.

http://search.virtcert.com/cgi/u/1012/v.cgi?stock=7749406&_s=1012&_p=sdf348gd743&_c=&_fs=1&prestock=&_ln=ps
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Thanks, I contacted the vendor and hopefully will talk to someone soon. It does like look it has good measurements!

Is a G in color ok? will it still most likely appear colorless?
 
Date: 5/14/2008 4:13:05 PM
Author: rob09
I have to agree with the previous posters - you did receive good advice. I myself was shopping for a radiant and realized that numbers could help you exclude some stones that were less likely to look great, but not pick a specific one. I had stones sent to an independent appraiser and picked one that I liked. Alternatively you can also go to a jeweller and have him/her show you a number of stones side by side. Maybe you can find one that you like and at a reasonable price. You can also get an ''original'' radiant sent to a jeweller (www.radiantcut.com)to see it in person; that may also make it more likey to get a quality stone, assuming that a branded one is a sign of quality. Price premiums seem to be around 20%-30% though and you may like a non-branded stone better in the end. Patience is key here - another price to pay for a radiant! But it is well worth it.
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So did you buy a stone frome a retailer or did you purchase it through pricescope??

How did you have them sent to an independant appraiser?

Thanks so muchf or the info!
 
G in a radiant is fine; this diamond also has faint blue fluorescence which may make it appear a bit whiter. I personally wouldn''t go below H in a radiant since it can start to show color, but it''s unlikely you''ll see any color in a G.
 
I bought it from an online vendor through pricescope. The vendor suggested an appraiser in my area and had the stone sent there. I then had the stone independently appraised and, since I liked it, purchased it. The stone was kept by the appraiser until the funds had been transferred to the vendor.
 
You are getting some awesome advice here. Radiants are tough and you have to use both numbers and images, and it''s best to actually see a radiant. In general, most radiants just aren''t cut well and it''s hard to find ones that look really nice. Feel free to post pictures here of stones you are considering.
 
BTW, here is a pic of the stone I got set in white gold ... :-)
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ok-redone-ring-much-happier.84168/
Cheers ...
 
Date: 5/16/2008 11:52:54 AM
Author: coda72
G in a radiant is fine; this diamond also has faint blue fluorescence which may make it appear a bit whiter. I personally wouldn''t go below H in a radiant since it can start to show color, but it''s unlikely you''ll see any color in a G.
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Hey Coda, Whiteflash is having the diamond you recommended to me sent to them. They are going to provide sarin and magnified images of the diamond.

I will share once I get the info. They said if their gemologist thinks it is a quality stone than they will charge me $75 for shipping if I decide not to buy it. Does anyone have experience with Whiteflash? It seems kind of subjective and they might just say its quality.

Also, I was considering the independant appraisal thing - Is it worth the extra money? How much do you think it would cost?

Thanks!
Kevin
 
When Whiteflash gets the stone, see if they can provide an ASET image also, as it can be helpful for fancy shapes. They normally do charge if they think the stone is good, and you decide not to get it. It costs them money to bring the stone in, so they pass the cost on to you. But they are diamond experts, so they will know if it''s a quality stone. Whiteflash will also verify the color and clarity, so you may not need to get an independent appraisal. But it''s always good to get one for your peace of mind.

Make sure you post the pics when you get them!
 
Date: 5/20/2008 4:26:43 PM
Author: coda72
When Whiteflash gets the stone, see if they can provide an ASET image also, as it can be helpful for fancy shapes. They normally do charge if they think the stone is good, and you decide not to get it. It costs them money to bring the stone in, so they pass the cost on to you. But they are diamond experts, so they will know if it''s a quality stone. Whiteflash will also verify the color and clarity, so you may not need to get an independent appraisal. But it''s always good to get one for your peace of mind.

Make sure you post the pics when you get them!
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Thanks Coda, should get the info soon. I''ll check in on the ASET image as well and post them on here as well as let you know their thoughts.

I really appreciate your help!
 

Here''s a magnified pic of the diamond. i had to size it down to post. hopefully it looks ok.


Coda/Lorelei - let me know your thoughts, thanks!!



Mag photo DI40X_GIA15590019.JPG
 
aset image i think.

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Ideal scope.

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I like it, looks to be a really nice radiant to me, just the sort I love personally with the faceting and overall shape - looks good! What is the Whiteflash verdict?
 
Date: 5/21/2008 4:24:12 PM
Author: Lorelei
I like it, looks to be a really nice radiant to me, just the sort I love personally with the faceting and overall shape - looks good! What is the Whiteflash verdict?
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I''m working with Tracy. She seems really nice and helpful. Said the stone was really nice...said it was firey.

She''s waiting on the Sarin to see what the crown height is before she recommends it.
 
Date: 5/21/2008 4:37:58 PM
Author: kmick

Date: 5/21/2008 4:24:12 PM
Author: Lorelei
I like it, looks to be a really nice radiant to me, just the sort I love personally with the faceting and overall shape - looks good! What is the Whiteflash verdict?
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I''m working with Tracy. She seems really nice and helpful. Said the stone was really nice...said it was firey.

She''s waiting on the Sarin to see what the crown height is before she recommends it.
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Sounds good! Tracy has an excellent rep here, as do all of the WF team, so you are in great hands!
 
here''s the info from the sarin, it wouldnt let me paste the photo. i think this is everything now, let me know if there''s anything else i should ask or request.

thanks so much!!
kevin

crown height: .49 ; 7.8%
crown angle: 16.3
table size: 4.23
girdle thickness: .11mm; 1.7%
culet off center: .8% (w: .5%,l: .4%)
table off center: .01mm
pavilion depth: 3.43mm
 
That''s pretty. Seems like a reasonable radiant. Ask if she''d rather reccomend an X-Factor than that one.
 
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