Thoughts on inclusions on this SI1 Round 3.4 G

[Henry Thomas]

I am looking to purchase this stone - have been told it is eye clean but location of inclusions make me nervous.

Dead center of the stone but appears mostly white
Feather by the edge - durability risk?

https://enchanteddiamonds.com/v/4096076Z2

Price just seems too low so wonder if it is too good to be true!

 

[rockysalamander]

If it seems too good to be true, it probably is...The price is driven by the cut not being terribly complimentary (HCA score of 4!) and inclusions in the center of the table. This stone just won't have much life compared to a well-cut stone. Big no for me. I'd much rather sacrifice size for performance:

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3821706.htm
{smaller, but better performance}

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/3-36ct-transitional-cut-diamond-gia-j-vs2 {tiny bit smaller, compormise on color, but look at that pattern and a very white J!}

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/3-04ct-transitional-cut-diamond-gia-l-vvs1 {old cut loveliness!)

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/d...ls/3.024-j-vs1-round-diamond-ags-104094442003 {a little smaller, lower color, better clarity}

https://loupetroop.com/listings/loo...-hca-1-dot-6-in-vatche-platinum-setting;16386

 

[flyingpig]

It is possible the stone is eye-clean.
Those feather inclusions around the edges shouldn't pose any durability concern (it is only SI1 and the second notable after the crystals)
It is priced at what a 3.4c G SI1 with such cut quality should be priced at.

In the world of 3.4c G SII, I think it is a reasonable stone to consider.

 

[Henry Thomas]

Thanks I was told stone is eye clean and will find our more when I get it along with an aset and ideal images.

I know HCA and ideal scope images appear to be computer generated which I read is inaccurate at times because renderings are based upon proportions and do not take actual facet structure into account.

Can you show me other stones that you say are in the price range. I have not been able to see any other G si1 at around 40k

 

[flyingpig]

There are not enough 3.4c G SI1 stones to do a reasonable direct comparison.
But I am seeing a relatively well cut stone 3.4c H SI1 at 30k.
A common GIA X 3.4 F SI1 starts at 40k, 3.5F SI1 at 55k.

A common GIA X 3.4 G SI1 with no fluo at 42k is, while I agree it is relatively cheap, not "too good to be true" level.

 

[Henry Thomas]

Can you show me this F at that price?

Thanks!

 

[Henry Thomas]

Here are some pictures!

 

[valeria101]

The white haze under the table agrees with the HCA - a quibble. I am sure it will find another buyer & you another stone.

 

[Henry Thomas]

So it is poor light reflection and below average?

 

[flyingpig]

To be honest, it is better than I expected from a 35.5/41.
It is below average for most PS members, but decent or even quite good in comparison with other normal GIA XXX.

 

[Henry Thomas]

Sorry excuse my ignorance but what does 35.5/41 mean exactly

nevermind realize you were talking about angles

 

[flyingpig]

35.5 crown and 41 pavillion. These non-complementary angles are the main reason for the light leakage under the table and poor HCA score. For 35.5 crown, you want 40.6 pavilion, maybe 40.8, not really 41.

 

[Henry Thomas]

Got it thanks!

So this is better than you expected but something you would probably pass on right because light reflection isn't great?

 

[Henry Thomas]

Here are two more photos!

 

[flyingpig]

again, very unusual (in a good way)for 58/35.5/41 from which I normally expect more leakage and washed out arrows. The only explanation I have is that the pavilion angle is likely less than 41. GIA rounds numbers so that 41=40.9~41.1 and 35.5=35.3~35.7

looks good.

 

[valeria101]

So it is poor light reflection and below average?

Slightly better is possible, especially around here - where a big deal is made of such slight details of cut. That is to say: if I can have perfection, I'll have it.

[no idea what the average is - this would be a nice average !]

 

[Henry Thomas]

Thank you all for your help! I will keep this stone instead of returning and buying the below.
Gia 2185210642
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/H-VS2-Affinity-Cut-Round-Diamond/D40225656

I ended up paying $39k for the 3.4/G/SI1 vs. this one at $44K at 3.37/H/VS2

 

[Henry Thomas]

Got the stone and unfortunately I can see the inclusion as it appears like a speck of dirt to me. Not sure if it is just my eyesight being good but hard pass as not going to risk it

Any suggestions of diamonds in the +3ct range and less than $50K

Thanks!

 

[ac117]

There are LOTS in your budget if you want 3 carats with a budget of $50k....
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3059429.htm
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3597963.htm - states eye clean but you can ask from what distance/angle....looks like all inclusions are light

Not super ideals, but you could ask for IS images for your top 3 picks and JA will provide if the stones are in NY or if they have them on file:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...g-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2878746
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...h-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2440514
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...g-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3092793

 

[flyingpig]

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-g-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-3176310