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rubybeth|1355777328|3333635 said:Edited to add: also, how to analyze information for reliability. Wikipedia is not a good source for school work. Fox News is not without bias. Not everything you read on the internet is true. I am kind of appalled at adults that I know that don't have this capability.
FrekeChild|1355781534|3333709 said:I am hoping that my husband's aspirations for our daughter come true: He wants her to have a thirst for knowledge. He told me that I'd better learn the whys to everything I say to her.
I fully expect to have my patience stretched thin. But I also expect her to be the really annoying kid in school that's a know-it-all about random subjects (cooking and statistics are first on that list).
You do get out what you put into it, and honestly, teenagers are idiots. They very rarely care what they know about the outside world, and those that do care go higher in the world than those that don't. A certain science and math nerd I graduated HS with, is now a VP of an international internet company and is extremely successful at the ripe old age of 30.
Cozystitches|1355782322|3333725 said:I have only skimmed this thread, so someone has probably stated this already:
I teach middle school, my biggest issue is with the entitlement of students (and many parents). I would be fine with students needing to look something up if they would actually do the work themselves. I believe that there should be a base of knowledge, the issue is that people do not want to find the knowledge, just want it handed to them. Students want me to give them the answers rather than them trying to find the information. It is much easier for me to give the student the answer rather than trying to lead them so they discover the answer on their own. They just do not want to do the work.
amc80|1355782602|3333731 said:Cozystitches|1355782322|3333725 said:I have only skimmed this thread, so someone has probably stated this already:
I teach middle school, my biggest issue is with the entitlement of students (and many parents). I would be fine with students needing to look something up if they would actually do the work themselves. I believe that there should be a base of knowledge, the issue is that people do not want to find the knowledge, just want it handed to them. Students want me to give them the answers rather than them trying to find the information. It is much easier for me to give the student the answer rather than trying to lead them so they discover the answer on their own. They just do not want to do the work.
I remember being in 4th or 5th grade and having to use the dictionary to look up the spelling of words. I bet if you told a kid to do that these days they would be really confused.
amc80|1355782602|3333731 said:I remember being in 4th or 5th grade and having to use the dictionary to look up the spelling of words. I bet if you told a kid to do that these days they would be really confused.
Zoe|1355782878|3333735 said:I can't tell you how many times my kids (students) ask me something and I turn it around and ask them what they think instead. They're 7 and 8.
Zoe|1355782878|3333735 said:amc80|1355782602|3333731 said:Cozystitches|1355782322|3333725 said:I have only skimmed this thread, so someone has probably stated this already:
I teach middle school, my biggest issue is with the entitlement of students (and many parents). I would be fine with students needing to look something up if they would actually do the work themselves. I believe that there should be a base of knowledge, the issue is that people do not want to find the knowledge, just want it handed to them. Students want me to give them the answers rather than them trying to find the information. It is much easier for me to give the student the answer rather than trying to lead them so they discover the answer on their own. They just do not want to do the work.
I remember being in 4th or 5th grade and having to use the dictionary to look up the spelling of words. I bet if you told a kid to do that these days they would be really confused.
I don't think they would be. We still teach dictionary skills in school.
Haven|1355787348|3333806 said:I don't believe teaching young adults a particular set of facts is the way to go.
If you want to help them, show them how to become critical consumers of information. Help them develop a thirst for critical inquiry. Help them realize that they know and have been exposed to so little of what is out there, and knowing that, help them develop a habit of, and a passion for questioning everything.
Help them see that life is not about filling in the blanks with the "correct" answers, but rather identifying the blanks that are hidden by propaganda, false logic, ignorance, oversight, or plain old lies. And then comes the fun part: They'll learn that the only correct answers for those blanks are the ones they figure out for themselves.
Then they'll be ready. They'll have what it takes to figure out where Kenya is located should the need arise, and what's more exciting, they might even have the desire to go and explore it for themselves. Or not. But at least they'll have the tools to get the information they need, and to make the choice that works best for them.
It might not hurt to throw in some practical advise, as well: How to change a lightbulb. How to manage personal finances. How to avoid going into debt to the point that it limits their personal freedoms.
amc80|1355782602|3333731 said:Cozystitches|1355782322|3333725 said:I have only skimmed this thread, so someone has probably stated this already:
I teach middle school, my biggest issue is with the entitlement of students (and many parents). I would be fine with students needing to look something up if they would actually do the work themselves. I believe that there should be a base of knowledge, the issue is that people do not want to find the knowledge, just want it handed to them. Students want me to give them the answers rather than them trying to find the information. It is much easier for me to give the student the answer rather than trying to lead them so they discover the answer on their own. They just do not want to do the work.
I remember being in 4th or 5th grade and having to use the dictionary to look up the spelling of words. I bet if you told a kid to do that these days they would be really confused.
Haven|1355787348|3333806 said:I don't believe teaching young adults a particular set of facts is the way to go.
If you want to help them, show them how to become critical consumers of information. Help them develop a thirst for critical inquiry. Help them realize that they know and have been exposed to so little of what is out there, and knowing that, help them develop a habit of, and a passion for questioning everything.
Help them see that life is not about filling in the blanks with the "correct" answers, but rather identifying the blanks that are hidden by propaganda, false logic, ignorance, oversight, or plain old lies. And then comes the fun part: They'll learn that the only correct answers for those blanks are the ones they figure out for themselves.
Then they'll be ready. They'll have what it takes to figure out where Kenya is located should the need arise, and what's more exciting, they might even have the desire to go and explore it for themselves. Or not. But at least they'll have the tools to get the information they need, and to make the choice that works best for them.
It might not hurt to throw in some practical advise, as well: How to change a lightbulb. How to manage personal finances. How to avoid going into debt to the point that it limits their personal freedoms.
Haven|1355787348|3333806 said:I don't believe teaching young adults a particular set of facts is the way to go.
If you want to help them, show them how to become critical consumers of information. Help them develop a thirst for critical inquiry. Help them realize that they know and have been exposed to so little of what is out there, and knowing that, help them develop a habit of, and a passion for questioning everything.
Help them see that life is not about filling in the blanks with the "correct" answers, but rather identifying the blanks that are hidden by propaganda, false logic, ignorance, oversight, or plain old lies. And then comes the fun part: They'll learn that the only correct answers for those blanks are the ones they figure out for themselves.
Then they'll be ready. They'll have what it takes to figure out where Kenya is located should the need arise, and what's more exciting, they might even have the desire to go and explore it for themselves. Or not. But at least they'll have the tools to get the information they need, and to make the choice that works best for them.
It might not hurt to throw in some practical advise, as well: How to change a lightbulb. How to manage personal finances. How to avoid going into debt to the point that it limits their personal freedoms.
amc80|1355784935|3333773 said:Until they figure out they can ask Siri how to spell words...![]()
amc80|1355782602|3333731 said:Cozystitches|1355782322|3333725 said:I have only skimmed this thread, so someone has probably stated this already:
I teach middle school, my biggest issue is with the entitlement of students (and many parents). I would be fine with students needing to look something up if they would actually do the work themselves. I believe that there should be a base of knowledge, the issue is that people do not want to find the knowledge, just want it handed to them. Students want me to give them the answers rather than them trying to find the information. It is much easier for me to give the student the answer rather than trying to lead them so they discover the answer on their own. They just do not want to do the work.
I remember being in 4th or 5th grade and having to use the dictionary to look up the spelling of words. I bet if you told a kid to do that these days they would be really confused.
Zoe|1355781495|3333708 said:Most states have adopted the Common Core State Standards which will tell you what kids in K-12 should know by the end of each year. English Language Arts and math are the focus. I believe they're working on developing science and maybe social studies standards, too.
Cozystitches|1355783693|3333747 said:amc80|1355782602|3333731 said:I remember being in 4th or 5th grade and having to use the dictionary to look up the spelling of words. I bet if you told a kid to do that these days they would be really confused.
I also do detention for grades K-8, and make students starting in 3rd grade write essays rather than sentences. Students who ask how to spell something will often be given a dictionary and told to look it up.
TooPatient|1355841714|3334532 said:I've been thinking about this lately. My list includes:
use a washing machine & dryer
handwash clothing I don't think this is needed at all, I know how but have not handwashed a thing in the last 12 years or more
use a dishwasher
handwash dishes
plan balanced meals I don't think this is needed until after 18
cook a turkey dinner I don't think this is needed at all, and if it is... after 18 is fine
change a tire
check oil
read contracts
understand what credit is and how to use responsibly
budget
proper care of a cat or dog I don't think this is needed at all or can be learned upon acquiring a pet
basic world history
US history
basic geography (and important history of places)
proper handling of a handgun and rifle (since "friends" like to show off, knowing what is not safe to do is a needed skill. I've heard awful stories where someone died because no one in the room knew how to unload a gun or even recognize the danger of a poorly handled gun and get out of the situation.) I don't think this is needed at all, unless there is a gun in your home, the it is needed IMMEDIATELY upon acquiring the gun.
use a dictionary
identify reliable and unreliable information sources
write a resume
basic first aid
basic sewing I don't think this is needed at all
how to put out kitchen fires
basic algebra
basic chemistry I don't think this is needed at all
fluent in at least two languages I'd settle for "don't mangle the English language."
basic electricity (how wires should cross, how to deal with bare wires, etc)
edited to clarify one item
manderz|1355798183|3333991 said:amc80|1355784935|3333773 said:Until they figure out they can ask Siri how to spell words...![]()
You can!?!?!How did I not know this?? lol
amc80|1355850324|3334691 said:manderz|1355798183|3333991 said:amc80|1355784935|3333773 said:Until they figure out they can ask Siri how to spell words...![]()
You can!?!?!How did I not know this?? lol
Yep! I used to think Siri was useless. And she is for asking specific questions, which usually just ends in a web search. But for other things she's great...such as asking her to set an alarm, text someone, how to spell something, the definition of a word, etc.
Oh, and for added fun, ask her "how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood". It's awesome.