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[Dreamer_D]

Date: 9/12/2008 1:12:45 PM
Author: robbie3982
Hmmm, interesting DD. A doc thought I might have PCOS once when I was in college so he did an ultrasound. He said I had some cysts, but it definitely wasn''t PCOS and they were nothing to be concerned about. Perhaps I''m prone to them and just never noticed this feeling before.

Well I am very certain I don''t have PCOS, never had any of the signs or symptoms, and I had a cyst too! They are common, as are cysts on the cervix that will come and go with your cycle (I had one near the os that always showed up when I was ovulating). You are obsessing over every physical sensation

so it would make sense if you noticed a feeling of one bursting now and not another time... or maybe it is something else entirely!

 

[oobiecoo]

Date: 9/12/2008 12:53:43 PM
Author: robbie3982

Date: 9/12/2008 12:39:39 PM

Author: oobiecoo

This is my first cycle charting (really more like 2/3 of my cycle) so just based on when FF says I was going to O, I''m pretty sure I didn''t. I took a test yesterday though

and it was negative

Says you were going to or says you did? That makes a big difference.


ETA: Am, I think it''s my mind that''s playing tricks on me

. I''m pretty sure I could get myself believing I was a flying purple elephant if I wanted it bad enough.

It just says what my forecasted fertile and O days are.

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Date: 9/12/2008 9:44:16 AM
Author: dreamer_dachsie

Date: 9/11/2008 11:00:54 PM
Author: peonygirl
Thanks gals for being so nice and reassuring! I guess what I''d love to know is *why* we only have a 20% chance of getting pregnant each cycle? I''ve definitely read that stat (I was under the impression that it was for the typical couple, not one that was charting), but I can''t find the reasons behind it anywhere.

There''s lots of reasons why it is only 20%. The biggest reason is that the cell division process is really tricky! At any point along the way, things can go haywire and the little bundle of cells simply won''t make it. About 50% of fertilized eggs go haywire and aren''t genetically on the right path and thus never implant. Another certain proportion go haywire a little later, maybe right after implantation, and you still never know you are preggo. And as we have all talked about a few pages back, many more go haywire later and women suffer known losses

. There also may have been issues with a particular egg that makes it unable to become fertilized, or the good sperm may go the wrong way and end up in the wrogn fallopian tube! LOL! Women who chart tend to take less months to get pg because they time BD well. This means a greater chance of conception each month. But once conception occurrs, there is still a high probability that the little bundle of cells won''t make it. The average time to get preggo without charting is 6 months, but with charting the average is maybe 4 months. That still means that half of all health woman charters will take longer than 4 months, and up to a year!

Hey guys yeah, what''s up w/ this statistic?

They even quoted 25% (per cycle) stat at the infertility clinic while undergoing IUI.

How could it this be? I mean at 39 my eggs are all probably hard-boiled. So how could I have the same statistical chance at pg. as a younger woman?

Perhaps the over-monitoring of IUI cycles makes up the difference.

Lucky for us we hit the stat during cycle #2. Are they simply counting pg. or viable (non-genetic issues) pg?

 

[robbie3982]

Date: 9/12/2008 1:26:20 PM
Author: oobiecoo

Date: 9/12/2008 12:53:43 PM

Author: robbie3982

Date: 9/12/2008 12:39:39 PM


Author: oobiecoo


This is my first cycle charting (really more like 2/3 of my cycle) so just based on when FF says I was going to O, I''m pretty sure I didn''t. I took a test yesterday though

and it was negative

Says you were going to or says you did? That makes a big difference.



ETA: Am, I think it''s my mind that''s playing tricks on me

. I''m pretty sure I could get myself believing I was a flying purple elephant if I wanted it bad enough.

It just says what my forecasted fertile and O days are.

Ovulation calculators (which is basically what FF''s prediction is especially when you''re just starting) are wrong pretty frequently. If O was delayed, AF will be delayed as well. Bloating and sore boobs can happen around ovulation as well.

 

[blushingbride]

Date: 9/12/2008 11:30:16 AM
Author: robbie3982
Anyone want to analyze what this could be? Back on CD17 (O day according to FAM, 2 days before O day according to Advanced) I had a dull/achey throbbing pain right where I imagine my right ovary to be and I thought it might be mittleschmertz, but I wasn''t sure since I''d never noticed any type of pain around ovulation before. It lasted maybe a few minutes and came and went for maybe a few hours and then was gone.

Yesterday the same pain started and has been coming and going ever since. I did the test to see which ovary I ovulated from and it indicates the right side, so I''m thinking that this has something to do with my ovary. Anyone ever have this or get it every month? I definitely don''t think it''s something to worry about, but I''m curious about what it could be (oh and I''m bored

)

Hi All! I''m off from work today and just popped in to ask Robbie a quick quetion - what test are you referring to here?

 

[blushingbride]

Date: 9/11/2008 1:55:28 PM
Author: am04

Blushing- I had three days of highs before getting the egg. You usually ovulate (I believe, will have to check the manual to confirm) 24-48 hours after getting the egg on your monitor. I also track my cycles using opks. Last night I used an opk and it was negative, but much darker than the night before, close to being positive. I''ll test again (using my opk) when I get home to confirm. I do this every cycle and, for me, the first egg is just before the positive opk which usually happens later in the day. So, based on that I assume that I''m ovulating 24-48 hours after getting the egg on the monitor. Sorry this is so drawn out, I hope it makes sense!

Thanks am04 - it does make sense. Today is my third "high" so, we''ll see what happens tomorrow...I am also using OPKs in conjunction with the monitor.

 

[robbie3982]

In TCOYF it says that there's a vein/artery in your groin area on each side. You put your middle fingers on them and where your pointer finger is there should be a slightly swollen lymph node. Whichever side it's on is the side you're supposed to ovulate (or have already ovulated) from.

ETA: The lymph node is about the size of a pea.
ETAA: This link has a diagram: http://www.woomb.org/bom/lit/teach/reprodhealth.html

 

[Pandora II]

Robbie, I''m intrigued by this.

I have told DH that the implantation is on the right-hand side and I will be shocked if a US shows otherwise.

I had these little sharpish twingy pains at about 8DPO on the right-hand side quite low down. I''m also getting them once in a while over the last few days. Always on the right-hand side and in the same place. Feels a bit like a small section is being stretched on it''s own. It''s doing it at the moment...

Obviously everytime I get one, I panic that it''s bad news on it''s way.

So, when are you going to test - and how''s the chart looking???

 

[robbie3982]

Oooh, that will be really cool to see if that''s where your little bean implanted. I posted my updated chart on pg147. If my temp is still up, I think I''m going to test on Sunday, but I''ve been feeling super crampy and I definitely have watery cm, which, for me, is a sign that AF is coming.

 

[Pandora II]

Chart is looking good - temps well above the CL.

I can't believe you have the will-power to wait till Sunday. I started testing at 8DPO - I am sooooo impatient!

I'm thinking CF and LP are not great indicators. I've seen so many people who think loads of creamy CM is a pg sign, then a couple of people on here had loads of watery CM and were pg - and I had almost none for the whole LP both this cycle and the one before...

Temps are a better way to go I think.

 

[msee]

hi all, i''m 26 and been TTC for over a year. i''ve recently engaged a fertility doc and after some tests she said that i needed to try clomid. but now i''m not sure if i should take it. i read in a forum somewhere, one woman tried it and ended up with breast cancer. my family has a history of the condition and just two years ago i had a benign lump removed...so naturally i''m worried.

but i still very much want to have a baby!

what do you think - should i still take it?

also, i''d really like to hear your experience with this drug... especially any extreme side effects/irrepairable medical condition that you ended up having. thanks a lot!

 

[peonygirl]

Msee, welcome to the thread! None of us are ob/gyns so we can''t answer your question, but I haven''t seen any research that Clomiphene elevates breast cancer risk (which is the most common type of cancer found in pregnant and postpartum women anyway). It may slightly elevate ovarian cancer rates though.

 

[Independent Gal]

Date: 9/12/2008 8:23:02 PM
Author: msee
hi all, i''m 26 and been TTC for over a year. i''ve recently engaged a fertility doc and after some tests she said that i needed to try clomid. but now i''m not sure if i should take it. i read in a forum somewhere, one woman tried it and ended up with breast cancer. my family has a history of the condition and just two years ago i had a benign lump removed...so naturally i''m worried.

but i still very much want to have a baby!


what do you think - should i still take it?

also, i''d really like to hear your experience with this drug... especially any extreme side effects/irrepairable medical condition that you ended up having. thanks a lot!

Msee, Peony is right that we can''t give you medical advice. We can give you some general advice ABOUT medical advice though. First of all, you cannot take one woman''s story about taking clomid and then getting breast cancer as a sign that "clomid causes breast cancer". It would be just as logical for me to say "I had a two part wedding, and now I''m pregnant with twins, my two part wedding must have caused the twins." Or: "I ate a peanut butter sandwich, and now I have a headache. Peanut butter must cause headaches."

To establish that one thing causes (or more likely, that one thing increases the probability) of another thing, you have to do a controlled experiment. So, taking an anecdote as evidence is a bad idea.

Here is what you CAN do that would be sensible:

1) Talk to your ob/gyn, and to the doctor you worked with when you had your tumor (so glad it was benign, by the way!). Ask BOTH of them whether there is evidence that clomid increases your risk of breast cancer. Then call your pharmacist (who is an expert on the side effects of drugs) and ask her/him as well.

2) If you prefer to also do your own research, then go on pubmed, which is a service of the National Institute of Health, and search for actual medical research on clomid and breast cancer. "Science Direct" is another internet resource that you can use, which will find you all of the medical journal articles on research on clomid and breast cancer. You should be able to access it from your local library (since it''s by subscription).

But never ever take something someone says on an internet forum as scientific evidence. You can get yourself in a lot of trouble that way!

So sorry to hear you''re having trouble conceiving. I hope things work for you soon and that you have a snuggly baby in your arms before you know it!

 

[fisherofmengirly]

DD,

If I put in lower temps, it does jump back to CD 19 for my ovulation date. However, today''s temp. was 98.20. I took it again (because I''m mental that way) and it was 98.21. I logged that in on FF and it''s stayed on CD 26. However, if tomorrow it drops, I will get the CD 19 back again.

Crazy.

I have still been trying to decipher CM, but at this point, there''s not much to be going off of. At least this way, maybe I won''t have another alleged "O" day this cycle, since whatever it is that I keep thinking is EW also has coincided with temp shifts.

Crazy again.

Robbie, I''ll be thinkin about you tomorrow. Hope you get a positive. If not, keep testing, girl!!

Welcome aboard, Msee. I don''t know anything about clomid but have wondered myself if I''d end up needing some sort of medical intervention on the road to becoming pregnant. I would ask the Dr. about any correlations between Clomid and higher risks of breast cancer.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Fisher well I think it is great you had another high temperature, even if it meant your O-day moved. With a temp like that it looks really likely you really ovulated, but of course, time will be the true test I guess! This makes sense too since you tended to have cycles near 40 days. You did sneak in that one BD though, so you aren't out for this cycle! Heck, FF is just a program, it's also possible you have unusual temp patterns and you still O'd on CD 19! LOL! What happens if you switch the "method for determining ovulation" from Advanced (which is default) to FAM? Just curious...

 

[lovelylulu]

morning all -

yesterday was a bit of a difficult day for me - for some reason i was really emotional. really. for instance, i had to get sworn into the DC bar in the afternoon which took place at the court of appeals. there was a three judge panel and one of the judges took it upon himself to make this little "do the good work" kind of motivational speech...anyway, he starts out with the fact that the court of appeals is this very historically distinguished court and when he said that the teapot dome scandal was tried here i nearly started crying.

what is sentimenal about the teapot dome scandal? nothing. but despite that fact, big tears welling up. so then i get back to my office to find a voicemail waiting for me - i had taken blushing''s advice to see if i could just have a walk-in blood test of my progesterone levels at my *bad* hospital dr. (mind you asking the question entailed being put on hold for over a half hour and further confirming that i need to switch). the message said that they wouldn''t authorize the blood test and that i just had to come in for an appointment. blah

with that news, i called and cancelled that appointment (which felt mildly good) and then went home early. it didn''t help that the weather was gloomy/rainy, so i decided that the best plan was a tasty pasta dinner and an early to bed.

this morning the sun is shining and i feel worlds better. already took a trip to our local farmer''s market and scored some amazing blackberries, bread, tomatoes, etc. yum.

it''s so strange how moods can come and go. hopefully days like yesterday are few and far between!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Lovely Sorry about your bad day! But... where are you in your cycle? We all know what crazy random crying can mean

 

[lovelylulu]

DD: i''m at DPO 7 today - though while that potentially could mean what you are alluding to - i think that it''s more likely the fact that i''m just getting a little disappointed by the whole TTC situation. especially now that i know that i have to wait for another whole cycle before being able to get some bloodwork & DH is going to be out of town on business the following cycle. lack of patience + frustration =

 

[fisherofmengirly]

DD,

Changing FF to FAM still makes the O day CD 26 in my cycle. However, if my temp tomorrow drops, it will go back to the CD19 thing it had to begin with.

I know I said I just wanted to know that I ovulate by charting, but I really, really wish we had a BD line on this new ovulation day, too.

I want a May baby! Although, June or July wouldn''t be bad, either. Or any of the other months in the year...

 

[robbie3982]

Date: 9/13/2008 10:28:22 AM
Author: fisherofmengirly
DD,


Changing FF to FAM still makes the O day CD 26 in my cycle. However, if my temp tomorrow drops, it will go back to the CD19 thing it had to begin with.


I know I said I just wanted to know that I ovulate by charting, but I really, really wish we had a BD line on this new ovulation day, too.


I want a May baby! Although, June or July wouldn''t be bad, either. Or any of the other months in the year...

Awe, Fisher. ::hugs:: Keeping my fx that this is your bfp cycle.

So, my temp went down a little today at 9dpo. It''s still well above coverline though so it doesn''t really mean anything. What''s really weird is that my breasts are usually tender from a few days before AF shows until at least the first full day of AF. This cycle they started hurting at 4 dpo, tenderness peaked yesterday at 8dpo and they barely hurt at all today (right doesn''t hurt at all and left only slightly). Also, yesterday morning bras in the size I''ve been wearing all summer were suddenly too small and I had to switch to the bras I wore when I was a bit heavier. They''re a cup size bigger. It fit perfectly in the morning, but by the end of the day it was big and now the smaller size bras are back to fitting perfectly again. WTF?!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Lulu I totally hear you... it is frustrating I am sure! The only consolation I can offer is that when you do get pg all the frustration will be a distant memory! It will happen honey!

Fisher There is still a chance, that one time could have done it if you O''d late in the day... next month, if required, you''ll just have to cover a wider range until it is crystal clear that you ovulated! And did I mention it''s still possible that the earlier date was the day, no matter what the porgram says? It isn''t an exactl science.

Robbie Wierd. Are you 9PO is you count the later O-date? So you could be 11 DPO if the earlier one was correct...

 

[peonygirl]

DD, I didn''t realize that you''re in psych too! I actually MUCH prefered seeing patients to research, but only the ultra-severe ones that were completely incapacitated/housebound because of their psychiatric problems. There were definitely irritating ones that honestly had nothing (or very little) wrong with them and just liked to complain and never fix their minor issues.

I don''t think I''ll go into psychiatry after med school, but I definitely wouldn''t mind having a portion of psych patients (I''m actually thinking about emergency medicine since it''s pretty family friendly, fast-paced and interesting).


Everyone else, can you recommend a specific type of preseed to me? There''s the multi-use pack and the individual applicator pack--do you happen to know which is better? Thanks!

 

[robbie3982]

DD, Yup, 9 or 11. So tomorrow when I test (assuming there''s no big temp dip) I''ll be 10 or 12.

Pandora, the only thing that''s kept me from testing before 10dpo are that I know the percentages of getting a bfp at that point are soooo small and DH will not be happy if I need to go out and buy more tests in the near future. We have 6 right now (2 $tree, 2 FRER and 2 CBD), but I only want to use the more expensive ones to confirm a faint line on the $tree or to test when AF is actually late. Since my LP is pretty short (only 11 day avg), even when it''s late it''s still not that late as far as days past ovulation go.

 

[robbie3982]

Peony, I''ve never used pre-seed, but I''ve heard people say that the individual use applicators have too much in them and they feel like they''re wasting a lot by discarding them.

DH and I use pre-conceive which is supposed to be the same thing, but slightly less slippery.

 

[peonygirl]

Okay, I just ended up ordering 6 pre-seed single applicator packs (didn''t wait for anyone to respond, but those were getting all of the good reviews!) and more ovulation strips/pregnancy tests (I got a cheaper multi-pack). I can see this getting SO expensive if one was using drugstore ovulation tests, because those are pricey.

 

[Sabine]

Lovely: I hope your mood swings have a happy reason behind them, but if not, I hope your future dr. appt. comes quickly and goes well!

Fisher: It''s good that you''re at least starting to get a clearer pattern by your temperatures. I have a gut feeling that the later O date is your date, and that if you don''t get your bfp this month, next month you are going to be so ready that your chances are going to skyrocket!

Robbie: What time are you testing tomorrow??? Here''s hoping your temps stay up and you get that bfp!

Peony: I hope the preseed works out for you!

I''m at what I think is 6 dpo, and I''m still so sick that I haven''t moved off the couch yet today, which is not good cause I''m almost out of dayquil and kleenex that has lotion in it. It makes me so sad that dh isn''t here to take care of me when I''m sick. This is a stupid question, but when does the baby start sharing the mom''s bloodstream? I have no true hope that I''m pg this cycle, but even so, it freaks me out that I''m basically mainlining cold medicine.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Date: 9/13/2008 1:54:49 PM
Author: Sabine

I''m at what I think is 6 dpo, and I''m still so sick that I haven''t moved off the couch yet today, which is not good cause I''m almost out of dayquil and kleenex that has lotion in it. It makes me so sad that dh isn''t here to take care of me when I''m sick. This is a stupid question, but when does the baby start sharing the mom''s bloodstream? I have no true hope that I''m pg this cycle, but even so, it freaks me out that I''m basically mainlining cold medicine.

Not til like 23 days past conception, or about 5 weeks preggo. You are safe

 

[Pandora II]

I got the single use applicators - just so you know, it''s quite difficult to get all of it out - you''ll think you have and then when you look it''s only half the tube thing. By the time we got to tube 6 I was pretty good at it.

I bought the ''Pre-seed'' branded stuff. I must admit I thought it was very nice, and DH liked it too. It doesn''t feel nasty like some lubricants do.

Mine came with 20 free HPT strips or 20 free OPKS - all for $20 including postage on ebay.


Robbie, I so want to see your test result tomorrow. I will be checking in!

 

[peonygirl]

Thanks Pandora! So you were able to use all of it after a few tries? We''ve actually never used lube of any kind before, so it sound be interesting! Does it, um, make sex feel different?

 

[robbie3982]

Peony, it will make it more slippery.

Sabine and Pandora, I temp at 5:30 so I''ll test then unless I wake up earlier (which has been happening all week). I''ve already got the test and a cup sitting by the toilet ready for tomorrow.