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The never-ending project ...Asscher Part 3

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You''re absolutely right, Mara. I do not want to take advantage of anyone else''s misfortunes.

Bill''s asscher has a large "cloud" in the middle of the table on the GIA diagram, and that concerns me. " Mind clean stone" etc.

Wish I could re-size those pics - never had a problem with that before
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isaku, can you email them to Pricescope and have them post the pics for you?
 
Date: 7/12/2006 4:18:49 PM
Author: mrssalvo
I agree. find out what you''d have to pay for it new and knock the price down. He''d still end up ahead getting 35K for it. Most people would have a very difficult time reselling something like that adding to it the fact that it was a previously worn e-ring for those who don''t like bad karma. Then you''ve got to find someone who is willing to accept all of that and has 35K to buy it. he''d be lucky if you made the offer and foolish not to take it. especially if it''s been sitting in a jewelry store on consignment for quite some time. You''re the one with the cash, i''d low ball with a little room to negotiate up..
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As always, mrssalvo, you are the voice of reason and express your point of view very well. Thank you
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Just thought of this..i wonder how much the jeweler was going to take on consigment?? most are 50%..so he's only get 1/2 of whatever they were selling it for. If it's a generous jeweler maybe the % was less but the jeweler was still going to get a cut. Now the jeweler is out of the equation so i'm sure you've got a little room to go in lower if it's a least what he would have got when the ring was on consignment. I surely wouldn't want to take advantage of him either and a fair offer should be made but diamond prices were less when he made his purchase so I think fair would be getting back a few grand less than he paid. somewhere around the wholesale cost of the stone when he purchased it?? an idenpendant appraiser can help you with that and help you determine what is fair.
 
clouds are pretty hard to see as they are white in general...also if this is a VS2 from GIA then i would think that since they grade face up looking down into the stone that it would be definitely eye-clean or else it would have gotten a lower grade. it''s not as though it''s in the pavilion.
 
Date: 7/12/2006 4:35:33 PM
Author: mrssalvo
Just thought of this..i wonder how much the jeweler was going to take on consigment?? most are 50%..so he''s only get 1/2 of whatever they were selling it for. If it''s a generous jeweler maybe the % was less but the jeweler was still going to get a cut. Now the jeweler is out of the equation so i''m sure you''ve got a little room to go in lower if it''s a least what he would have got when the ring was on consignment. I surely wouldn''t want to take advantage of him either and a fair offer should be made but diamond prices were less when he made his purchase so I think fair would be getting back a few grand less than he paid. somewhere around the wholesale cost of the stone when he purchased it?? an idenpendant appraiser can help you with that and help you determine what is fair.
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I have just e-mailed PS with the pictures so hopefully they will size them to fit.

I don''t think the jeweller is out of the equation, though, because Bill is dropping off the ring there later today for photo-taking.
 
hmmm, i don't think that most consignment's are 50%...many of the ones that i have heard of people talking to end up taking between 20-30%. anyway just thought i'd throw that out there. also if it's the same jeweler who sold him the ring, maybe the guy is doing it for less for him or almost nothing if he already got the full $$ from him when he bought. could be like a favor.

just throwing thoughts out here. i'd be interested to know what he paid a year ago for it but not sure if he'd want to tell you that! hehe. i would also ask about what is a REALISTIC retail value to offer when you have it appraised.
 
If you do decide to have Kristydarling and I go eyeball the ring, the jeweler's would be the perfect place for us to go.

I sooooo would not worry about that cloud.

All I'd be wanting right now would be excellent pics of the facets/windmills so you can make sure it's a tip top cut.
 
Date: 7/12/2006 4:50:24 PM
Author: Mara
hmmm, i don''t think that most consignment''s are 50%...many of the ones that i have heard of people talking to end up taking between 20-30%. anyway just thought i''d throw that out there. also if it''s the same jeweler who sold him the ring, maybe the guy is doing it for less for him or almost nothing if he already got the full $$ from him when he bought. could be like a favor.


just throwing thoughts out here. i''d be interested to know what he paid a year ago for it but not sure if he''d want to tell you that! hehe. i would also ask about what is a REALISTIC retail value to offer when you have it appraised.
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in my area they are all 50%
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. but you are right that a special deal with the original vendor could be in the works. I agree finding out a realisitic retail value from the appraiser will be most helpful..
 
Date: 7/12/2006 4:51:03 PM
Author: wallermama
If you do decide to have Kristydarling and I go eyeball the ring, the jeweler''s would be the perfect place for us to go.
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yes it would...that would be too funny if you gals ended up doing it. all the necessary PS tools a must as well as a good camera
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Date: 7/12/2006 4:51:03 PM
Author: wallermama
If you do decide to have Kristydarling and I go eyeball the ring, the jeweler''s would be the perfect place for us to go.

I sooooo would not worry about that cloud.

All I''d be wanting right now would be excellent pics of the facets/windmills so you can make sure it''s a tip top cut.
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Hi again, wallermama,

I just called Tom Hunt and he can''t show the ring in his office for security reasons. He works by referral only so is not listed in phone book, has no storefront etc. only an office.

With Bill''s permission, he might be able to arrange another secure location for PS''ers viewing????

He doesn''t know how to operate the computer, so his wife does all the e-mailing for him at night. Maybe later tonight, we''ll actually have some pics.
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I was reading Mrssalvo's response and her signature line is something to keep in mind..."A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want."

What do you think of this ring? Its design? If it was retail, would you still want it?
 
Date: 7/12/2006 5:49:33 PM
Author: wallermama
I was reading Mrssalvo''s response and her signature line is something to keep in mind...''A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.''

What do you think of this ring? Its design? If it was retail, would you still want it?
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I know I thought of this too.

Isabel, does this ring design and all that REALLY thrill you???

Though to be honest, if the asscher is a stellar cut, and you are able to get the whole ring for like $35k then the stone itself is probably worth that much in terms of today''s more expensive prices. You could always unset it and reset it into something else in the future.
 
Date: 7/12/2006 6:47:35 PM
Author: Mara
Date: 7/12/2006 5:49:33 PM

Author: wallermama

I was reading Mrssalvo''s response and her signature line is something to keep in mind...''A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.''


What do you think of this ring? Its design? If it was retail, would you still want it?
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I know I thought of this too.


Isabel, does this ring design and all that REALLY thrill you???


Though to be honest, if the asscher is a stellar cut, and you are able to get the whole ring for like $35k then the stone itself is probably worth that much in terms of today''s more expensive prices. You could always unset it and reset it into something else in the future.
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Brruuaaahhaaaahhhaaa (the sound of me getting a "good deal" shiver of pleasure)


If you got a deal on this ring, you could wear its gorgeous self for a long time before you saved up and...AND.....BAGUETTE HALO''ED IT!

Can you IMAGINE THE FINGER COVERAGE????
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Date: 7/12/2006 5:49:33 PM
Author: wallermama
I was reading Mrssalvo''s response and her signature line is something to keep in mind...''A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.''

What do you think of this ring? Its design? If it was retail, would you still want it?
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You are so right to ask this question and the simple answer is no. Don''t get me wrong, it''s a beautiful design for an e-ring, but for a rhr I was thinking that I wanted a setting that could not be mistaken for en e-ring; hence the search for an asscher with baguette halo or dare I say it (the pink pear).

This ring is definitely appealing, but only if the price is right could I wear it with pride.

I''m seriously considering my sanity in thinking of spending ~30k to buy a style that isn''t at the top of my wish list from someone I know nothing about whose jeweller is hesitant to meet 2 great PS ladies who I know only as "wallermama and KristyDarling" (try explaining that one to Tom Hunt who is security conscious).

Let''s suppose the whole inspection deal went well, photos are breath-taking etc, how do I pay for it securely so that both the seller and I are comfortable with the terms?

Then, there''s the shipping to Niagara Falls, NY to my friend who will hold it for me to pick up.

I''ve gotta be nuts!!!! Many would agree, I''m sure.
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Wallermama, you''re too much!!!!! A 3.20 asscher with a baguette halo!!!???? Can you say " finger coverage"?

Honestly, if you ever read about someone as crazy as I am to even consider this, you''d probably say, " what a dummy (being polite here). She should give her head a shake (or worse)".
 
Most people use Escrow.com. You would wire them the money, they would make sure it clears, Bill would then be given the green light to mail it to you/your friend, you would have an inspection period to make sure everything is okey dokey, then escrow.com would give Bill his money. For a $30,000 transaction it would cost Bill or you about $267 according to their caluclator. Sounds like a great deal for a lot of peace of mind.

What do you think of the idea Mara had of getting a great deal and resetting it later? You could factor your feelings into a lower offer and say if it was meant to be it was meant to be.

I for one don''t think it looks like an engagement ring, but I see that it may not be the look you were going for.
 
I agree...IF the diamond passes muster, and the price is right, then you have an awesome stone that can be halo''d at a later date, when you find the right person for the project. It is gorgeous the way it is, you get to wear it as is and live with it, and see if you like the three stone, and then opt to set it another way if you chose.
 
Date: 7/12/2006 7:11:39 PM
Author: isaku5
Wallermama, you're too much!!!!! A 3.20 asscher with a baguette halo!!!???? Can you say ' finger coverage'?


Honestly, if you ever read about someone as crazy as I am to even consider this, you'd probably say, ' what a dummy (being polite here). She should give her head a shake (or worse)'.
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I totally hear you. But Craigslist is such a part of Bay Area life that here no one would think twice about buying a $40,000 BMW, a house, a horse, a tiffany ring (just saw a $25000 one a month or two ago). Honestly, with the involvement of an independent appraiser, a jeweler who made the ring, a jilted lover, and using an escrow service...it has all of the hallmarks of a 100% legitimate transaction. I guess I can't see where you can go wrong, IF you think it is the stone/ring for you.

In fact, the actual "Craig" of Craigslist lives in my neighborhood and I see him in a local coffeeshop now and then.

i have sold a car, a filing cabinet, a baby seat, a stroller...you name it. Dozens of things. My brother in law is currently dating ladies he met on craigslist. I volunteer at a Women's Clinic that I found out about on Craigslist. We're fostering a dog and her two puppies that I discovered through Craigslist. For the most part, it really is a lovely testament to the fact that 98% of people are honest, nice people. There are the crazies but that is what protection like escrow.com are for.

Am I crazy? Maybe! But I don't think you are for considering this. Maybe crazy NOT to consider it :-) Could you really go consider an I colored stone for more money that is the same size or smaller?

I'm not saying that I'm sure this is right for you, but just that I do think you should pursue and see what comes of this discussion with Bill.
 
WOWZA!
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Looks like there is a bit of tilt in the photo but the windmills look mighty fine to me...
 
i don''t know much about asschers but the pictures sure look purty....looks like it might have a nice depth/pattern?!
 
Thanks, Irina. You did a wonderful job!!!!!!

Here''s one of the things that causes concern: the cloud? in the centre of the plot diagram.

I''m not sure I can see it in the enlarged ring picture, but maybe one of you with younger eyes can spot it.

I just talked with Bill about my reservations concerning the process of checking out and perhaps buying the ring. I also tried to find out what he''d accept as a bottom line, but ever the diplomat, he told me to wait until I''d seen the pictures that Tom Hunt is supposed to send tonight. Bill will be away for the weekend, but he''ll be back in his office Monday.
 
I don''t see anything in the pictures provided. I think the whole point of that article I linked above from Good Old Gold is that vs2 inclusions are hard to find, magnified, and the eye should never see them?

Just to put it into perspective, my vvs2 pinpoints were smaller than the dust that was falling on the diamond as my appraiser looked for them

Am I wrong? Anyone seen a VS2 inclusion in an asscher?
 
Regarding the setting. Here''s my $.02. You wear it for a while and don''t love it? Fine. Sell it. Those look like nice traps. You might be able to see if Bill Pearlman would give you a deal on them if you buy a new setting from him. God knows he''s got some amazing settings and access to others. As for the looking like an engagement ring thing. To be frank: you were, I think, seriously considering a cartier style ring with a large asscher. That looks exactly like an e-ring to me. These days e-rings are such a statement about personal style that anything works as one. If you can get a good deal on this asscher I wouldn''t hesitate. I''d just get it. Somepeople see a diamond-- any diamond ring-- and think ''engagement ring.'' As long as you like the setting (not just talking about the three stone) who cares?
 
Hi Gypsy,
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Glad you chimed in. Do you see any red flags with the asscher centre or the GIA report????

What is this asscher/ cushion debate you''re having. What''s wrong with your asscher that a great halo wouldn''t fix. Speaking of halos, did you get a price from Pete????
 
Date: 7/12/2006 8:22:09 PM
Author: Gypsy
Regarding the setting. Here''s my $.02. You wear it for a while and don''t love it? Fine. Sell it. Those look like nice traps. You might be able to see if Bill Pearlman would give you a deal on them if you buy a new setting from him. God knows he''s got some amazing settings and access to others. As for the looking like an engagement ring thing. To be frank: you were, I think, seriously considering a cartier style ring with a large asscher. That looks exactly like an e-ring to me. These days e-rings are such a statement about personal style that anything works as one. If you can get a good deal on this asscher I wouldn''t hesitate. I''d just get it. Somepeople see a diamond-- any diamond ring-- and think ''engagement ring.'' As long as you like the setting (not just talking about the three stone) who cares?
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Gypsy it''s so convenient for me when you post because you often put into words so succinctly what I''m thinking.
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I totally agree with everything you said.

I hope Storm will weigh in soon with his verdict on the specs and pics.
 
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