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The Joy of Toxic Family

Jambalaya

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Not meaning to downplay this serious issue, but let's look on the bright side, shall we? Background: I haven't spent Christmas with these toxic family members since 2000, but they have nice kids now, so I decided to accept.

Oh, man! I'll spare you the details of what ensued.

By looking on the bright side, I mean that said toxic family members can actually be very funny in that they are SO predictable, I could feed them their lines - they're like nasty puppets because you know exactly what they're going to say and do. I could write a play of them at Christmas before it's happened. Rewind 17 years and all is the same: Toxic Member One volunteering to host and then making clear how much they hate hosting. Toxic Member Two clearly fighting a tremendous inner struggle between giving in to the urge to bully the family member with the seasonal bug, and trying not to let rip. And purposely ignoring the sick member, to the extent of never checking on him once the entire day/night he was in bed or offering anything, even a glass of water. I guess even someone with a seasonal bug sets off the urge to bully in some particularly sick folk. Even after all these years, they haven't changed.


Good Things:
1. Being reminded why I never go there for Christmas.
2. Having it confirmed that never going there for Christmas was one of the best things I've done for myself during the last 17 years.
3. Amusement at how awful they are.
4. A feeling of weightless happiness at returning to my own home.
5. Thanking the universe that I am nothing like them.
6. Knowing it isn't personal.
7. A feeling of gratitude that I don't have to live with them.
8. Watching an interesting
marital dynamic - extremely nice, considerate, but completely passive spouses being dominated and bossed about by the Toxic Ones. Toxic people rarely leave spouses they can control, so it all looks very stable from the outside, but the controller/controllee dynamic isn't love and isn't a partnership. I'd rather be alone for a million years than live inside a marriage with a domineering bully.
9. Knowing that Christmas has not been ruined but has imbued me with a sense of such gratitude for a life away from these people.
10. Knowing you can laugh at them inside and walk away (unless you have to live with them, which is a totally different situation.) I mean, I literally laugh to myself at how awful they are, because I don't understand such a total lack of self-awareness. It's as if they're condemned to walk around with the personality equivalent of their skirt tucked into their underpants their whole lives, and they don't even know!
11. Their puffy little superiority complexes, insulting people on the TV screen and bitching about their friends, while hardly being the world's most slim, good-looking, fab-personality types themselves!
12. Being happy is the
best revenge!

If you have spent Christmas with toxic relatives, just rise above it, laugh at them inwardly, and walk away...far away!


 
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I like your style :)

The amount of energy some people put into making their own and others' lives difficult never fails to amaze me - if these people put all that energy into actually doing good things for others, the world would be a much better place!

I'm glad I'm old enough and experienced enough now to know that unless one is unfortunate enough to have to live with such people, one can simply walk away and leave them to it. Life is too short to waste time and energy dealing with negative people - just walk away and let them drag themselves down!

I hope you have a lovely new year to make up for your slightly miserable Christmas, @Jambalaya :)
 
Sounds like you had a pretty enlightening and successful Christmas...you sound almost giddy with joy at realizing you dont have to deal with it unless you
choose. :appl:
 
Thanks, Oooh Shiney. It was amusing more than anything, though. It's rather wonderful when all your feelings, thoughts, and opinions about certain people are re-confirmed as completely accurate.

It must be awful to be such a domineering bully. For a start, your life-partner options are severely limited to the few people who will submit to it for a lifetime.
 
DH and I used the words "Hoover" and "flying monkey" a lot and laughed at the textbook nature of personality disorders.
 
We dispensed with gatherings with toxic relatives as well. Haven’t gone back yet.
We would get together with my daughters in law’s if they wanted to. That’s the closest we would get. The stories I could tell you just from this year! MIL is so craptastic she makes me look great! :lol:
 
tyty333 - it did get me down temporarily because it was depressing that they hadn't changed in an way at all, but after a short time I just thought, "Hey, I am getting out of here! I am going to my own home! I don't have to imbibe the toxicity! I am shortly to return to Planet Normal, full of a respectful and polite species entitled Nice People!"

whitewave - yes, it's amazing how un-original toxic people are, isn't it? What are Hoovers and Flying Monkeys in this context? I'd love to know!

Luv - that is hilarious, about your daughter's "craptastic" (hahahaa!) MIL making you look great! Work that angle, baby! What'd she do this Christmas?
 
whitewave - yes, it's amazing how un-original toxic people are, isn't it? What are Hoovers and Flying Monkeys in this context? I'd love to know!

I was also wondering about this.
 
@Jambalaya , its wonderful that you can look at the positives!
You pointed out so many benefits that are spot on!
#6. Its not personal. Very important to recognize this fact!
I tend to be very logical and analytical. My poor brain has been through the wringer trying to make sense out of the actions and words of some people. I've struggled to find logic where none existed.
Whenever possible, its best to avoid the craziness.
 
Family ... the other F-word. :knockout:
 
Family ... the other F-word. :knockout:

Yup! I was so firm in my belief that family is important.
Now, I believe that family members who aren't crazy are important.
The crazy ones I can do without.
 
HI:

Crazy is an interpretation. What if that is all there "is"?? lol

cheers--Sharon
 
Go to "out of the fog" and click around--
I'll see if I can find it.

Hoover is when they suck you back in

Flying monkey is a person they get to deliver you a message
 
HI:

Crazy is an interpretation. What if that is all there "is"?? lol

cheers--Sharon

Believe me, with the individuals to whom I'm referring, crazy is all there is!
100% pure top-grade crazy. Not watered down and diluted by anything as frivolous as compassion or reasonableness.
I like to think I'm a mutt, not a purebred. :mrgreen2:
 
I too have a pretty toxic family and a very poor relationship with my sister / mother. One Christmas many years ago I was getting money as my gift (we had some unexpected bills) and my sister got a black turtle neck cashmere sweater. The sweater DID NOT meet with my sisters expectations and a huge hissy fit ensued. My sister immediately wanted to swap the sweater with me and take the cash. I politely declined as we needed the cash and I can’t, repeat can’t, wear turtle neck sweaters due to my thyroid goiter. They partial strangle me and it’s a very uncomfortable and unnerving feeling.
When we get back to our home I reopen my Christmas envelope to retrieve my cash.What! It’s been halved! Yup, after giving me my card and money, my mother had later on gone and taken half of it out to give to my sister.
And the next Christmas, guess what my mother gave me. The said said black turtle neck sweater that she knew I couldn’t wear.
Sigh.
 
Oh my gosh, Bron! That is horrible! I can’t believe your mom would think that is ok to do. What the heck!
 
Yeah Bron, I got mad for you reading that story, awful awful.
 
I don’t waste time with disruptive people...related...or not. I quit spending Easter with my heathen immediate family after driving 2.5 hours each way only to listen to my brother and sister disparage the meaning of the holiday. I told my mom that we would come see her on another day...been 12-13 years ( mom is gone now) since We have gotten together for a holiday. No regrets. Ever.

FM
 
You can pick your friends but you can't pick your family - so I don't think anyone should feel obliged to hang around with people just because they're related!
 
You can pick your friends but you can't pick your family - so I don't think anyone should feel obliged to hang around with people just because they're related!

You couldn't have told me this a few years ago. :confused2:
 
I've read through this, as I have one remaining toxic family member. I so wanted to ask her for my grandmother's recipe for something for tomorrow. Somehow, she got possession of all of our family recipes when my mom died. As in, she just took everything. Anyway, I was going to attempt to reach her, but I polled my family on it. They didn't want me to. It's been 18 years since we've spoken. I think they are right though. Better to maintain silence than invite insanity back into my "home". Not physically, but she'd get in my head.
 
@lyra , I'm sorry you don't have your grandmother's recipe or other family recipes. However, the results of your family poll show the recipes aren't worth the insanity.
 
Jamby, I am glad you are looking at your family with honest eyes. What becomes most telling about recovering from toxic people and what you found was the relief one finds when they return to the safe haven they have created for themselves.

I don’t see the toxic ones in my family. Which means my extended family is extremely small. Most of the time I am logical and methodical about it. Every once in a while, grief will hit me like a giant wave and I will rail against my whole fate for days and days. The truth is that I love all of them and I wish we could be normal or even a little strange together.

But we can’t. So then it’s back to me being me and them being them. And no one really being at fault for any of it. It just is.

Love to you J. I hope you have a beautiful new year.
 
I just did a toxic Christmas. I vow every year not to do it and then get guilted into going......
 
I just did a toxic Christmas. I vow every year not to do it and then get guilted into going......


Why? As in why participate? Guilted?
FM
 
I too have a pretty toxic family and a very poor relationship with my sister / mother. One Christmas many years ago I was getting money as my gift (we had some unexpected bills) and my sister got a black turtle neck cashmere sweater. The sweater DID NOT meet with my sisters expectations and a huge hissy fit ensued. My sister immediately wanted to swap the sweater with me and take the cash. I politely declined as we needed the cash and I can’t, repeat can’t, wear turtle neck sweaters due to my thyroid goiter. They partial strangle me and it’s a very uncomfortable and unnerving feeling.
When we get back to our home I reopen my Christmas envelope to retrieve my cash.What! It’s been halved! Yup, after giving me my card and money, my mother had later on gone and taken half of it out to give to my sister.
And the next Christmas, guess what my mother gave me. The said said black turtle neck sweater that she knew I couldn’t wear.
Sigh.

Your Mom sure knows how to stir up the sheeeeet. Before and after.....has to be many more interesting events in the life of your family dramas. I would take a pass.

FM
 
Why? As in why participate? Guilted?
FM

I participate because my grandmother who is currently 96 turning 97 is there, and given the fact I had not seen her for a year and she could die at any time I feel obligated into going. I'm glad I got to see her. I'm not glad I have to deal with all the B/S from 2 x families (we see both my husband's and mine usually not both at once but within days of each other) that goes with it.
 
I participate because my grandmother who is currently 96 turning 97 is there, and given the fact I had not seen her for a year and she could die at any time I feel obligated into going. I'm glad I got to see her. I'm not glad I have to deal with all the B/S from 2 x families (we see both my husband's and mine usually not both at once but within days of each other) that goes with it.

Understood......you are fortunate to have known grandparents. Alas, I did not.
FM
 
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