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T L

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You don''t get it do you? It''s 3 carats, and it''s crystalized carbon, so it must be valuable!


I like the nice "clear" pictures on this one.
 

purrfectpear

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MEASUREMENTS 9.48 - 9.75 *So I gather it''s not exactly "round"


WEIGHT 2.93


PROPORTIONS


DEPTH 55.1%


TABLE 67%

 

decodelighted

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If its range wasn't I1-I3 (didn't know there was an I3??
) ... might it be good for a recut? **shrug**

ETA: wait ... never mind ... its a "diamont" ... not even a "diamond"
 

Todd Gray

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Date: 1/30/2009 4:23:00 PM
Author: decodelighted
If its range wasn''t I1-I3 (didn''t know there was an I3??
) ... might it be good for a recut? **shrug**
ETA: wait ... never mind ... its a ''diamont'' ... not even a ''diamond''
There is actually a clarity grade beyond I-3 generally known amongst the trade as "dead" it''s primarily relied on by discount jewelers who advertise things like "one carat diamond tennis bracelets $99.00"

Oh it''s a diamond. Diamante is Diamond in Spanish.

Pippin - why did you hurt my eyes?!?! You know we would have to click the link
 

Pippin

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I''m still wondering if they actually have a GIA cert for this stone! Does GIA recognize anything more than I1?? I''ve never seen that on a GIA cert.

Yes, sorry, LOL, I know it''s enough to make your eyeballs fall out! As I said, it''s like following a natural disaster or something. I just can''t not look!
 

Todd Gray

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Date: 1/30/2009 4:46:47 PM
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Does GIA recognize anything more than I1?? I''ve never seen that on a GIA cert.
Just remember that you asked for this...

giaI3claritysample.jpg
 

Pippin

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WOW!!! So they do!! I had no idea!

Thanks, that''s really interesting to know. Scary, but interesting.
 

John P

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I3 takes a special kind of diamond.

An I1 will typically have inclusions obvious at 10X mag and often visible to the unaided eye. A crafty cutter can plan to mask these with good planning...so the rare eye-clean I1 does exist. These are nice finds budget-wise.

I2 usually indicates the inclusions are easily visible, or so numerous that they affect transparency or brightness. The diamond might also have durability concerns caused by those characteristics.

I3 typically has visible inclusions and durability issues to boot. Or, paraphrasing one of my GIA instructors, the diamond is fugly and ready to explode.

"Set the diamond down sir. Now carefully back away... And tread lightly!"
 

Regular Guy

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Date: 1/30/2009 4:58:47 PM
Author: Todd Gray

Date: 1/30/2009 4:46:47 PM
Author: Pippin
Does GIA recognize anything more than I1?? I''ve never seen that on a GIA cert.
Just remember that you asked for this...
Seems to me...the funny thing about this I3 cert...is the picture doesn''t look remarkably different than many SIs, does it?
 

Pippin

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Do you think the buyer will actually think they got a good deal? I can''t imagine seeing this stone in person and being happy, having parted with upwards of $4000. It pretty much blows my mind!
 

John P

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Date: 1/30/2009 5:41:05 PM
Author: Regular Guy

Date: 1/30/2009 4:58:47 PM
Author: Todd Gray


Date: 1/30/2009 4:46:47 PM
Author: Pippin
Does GIA recognize anything more than I1?? I''ve never seen that on a GIA cert.
Just remember that you asked for this...
Seems to me...the funny thing about this I3 cert...is the picture doesn''t look remarkably different than many SIs, does it?
You''re right Ira. The scan might not have picked everything up. I don''t see the list of characteristics included and clouds, especially, can get missed in dodgy scans.

Or, interpreting the above in an I3 way, the diamond may be littered with open feathers and black pique. That''s the thing about a plot - it''s a road map to identify ''where,'' not how severe or visible. I''ve seen clean plots where the single mapped inclusion is quite visible IRL and plentifully peppered plots for a diamond that is completely eye-clean.
 

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Date: 1/30/2009 6:04:39 PM
Author: John Pollard

You''re right Ira. The scan might not have picked everything up. I don''t see the list of characteristics included and clouds, especially, can get missed in dodgy scans.

Or, interpreting the above in an I3 way, the diamond may be littered with open feathers and black pique. That''s the thing about a plot - it''s a road map to identify ''where,'' not how severe or visible. I''ve seen clean plots where the single mapped inclusion is quite visible IRL and plentifully peppered plots for a diamond that is completely eye-clean.
A co-worker from years ago had a very Fugly 5 carat pear rock with so many carbon spots, if you played "connect the dots" you could draw an elephant


What matters is that she thought it was beautiful!!
 

coatimundi_org

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Date: 1/30/2009 4:37:44 PM
Author: Todd Gray
There is actually a clarity grade beyond I-3 generally known amongst the trade as ''dead'' it''s primarily relied on by discount jewelers who advertise things like ''one carat diamond tennis bracelets $99.00''

 

I Love My Sailor

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Its sad how some people are ignorant about diamond stats and proportions. I''m glad I found price scope.

Thanks for sharing
 

blastdoor

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Date: 1/30/2009 6:41:45 PM
Author: shady71

What matters is that she thought it was beautiful!!
totally agree.. on a personal level, how the person wearing it feels about the diamond is so much more important than what the cert says...

but on the other hand, its different to see an I3 stone and still love it, than to buy an I3 stone without knowing what it is only to find it an eye-sore after paying over $4000 for it...

in the case of an ebay sales, there is still a chance of great disappointment because the buyer don''t really get to see the diamond in person before buying it...
 

Moh 10

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It is GIA certified and clarity is I1 - I3?

GIA grades clarity in ranges?
 

Sharon101

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OK Im in a mood and Im going to say it.........

that would make this the Rocky.....horror......show!!!!!
 

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Date: 1/30/2009 5:36:20 PM
Author: John Pollard
I3 takes a special kind of diamond.

An I1 will typically have inclusions obvious at 10X mag and often visible to the unaided eye. A crafty cutter can plan to mask these with good planning...so the rare eye-clean I1 does exist. These are nice finds budget-wise.

I2 usually indicates the inclusions are easily visible, or so numerous that they affect transparency or brightness. The diamond might also have durability concerns caused by those characteristics.

I3 typically has visible inclusions and durability issues to boot. Or, paraphrasing one of my GIA instructors, the diamond is fugly and ready to explode.

''Set the diamond down sir. Now carefully back away... And tread lightly!''
I
you John. Always making me laugh.


Sad thing is... after the LAST ebay diamond we saw on here (in detail) that one is looking pretty good.
 

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Date: 1/30/2009 10:51:20 PM
Author: Sharon101
OK Im in a mood and Im going to say it.........


that would make this the Rocky.....horror......show!!!!!
You owe me a new laptop
 

Pippin

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I''m really curious about something. Why would a diamond cutter create such a bad stone??? What is the thought process here? Are there just some very poor cutters out there, that would take a sizeable diamond like this and make it as terrible as possible? Or is this the work of a cutter that has no clue as to what he''s doing? And who employs this person??

Any thoughts? I mean, chances are, this could have been a much better diamond than it is. What would possess someone to do such a terrible job?
 

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It actually hurt to read that listing, and that diamond appraised for $25,000.-? On what planet?
 

Pippin

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LOL, exactly, Gemgirl!! I wonder if that can be considered misleading?? If the buyer wanted a refund, could they get one based on this supposed "appraisal" information? In the real world, I can't see anyone paying more than a few hundred dollars for this ring, if that. What on earth would it appraise for?
 

Noahsmom

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I wonder if there will end up having another Lopsie Fugs on the board.
 

blastdoor

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haven''t received my 10x loupe yet, but that "GIA" cert doesn''t seem to have any mention of crown and pavillion angles / percentage? and no side view of the stone?

maybe its a GTL ("Grotesious Table Leakage".. er.. i mean "Gem Trade Lab") cert...

a 67% table? really?
 

marcy

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LOL at dead!
 

Pippin

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It sure doesn''t look like the GIA certs I have. Mine are white and blue and are all laid out the same way, even though one is older. This one looks like a ''diamond grading report'' from an unknown lab.
 

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The rock salt on my porch during this cold Ohio winter will most likely look like this diamond. And I paid $4.
 
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