Storm/Other Asscher Experts Needed

[FishInSea]

I''m looking for an Asscher. I''ve read hundreds of posts from Storm and all you other knowledgeable PSers. I just got one sent to me from Excel. I am actually prepared to spend up to $10,500 on a diamond but Excel just sent me this one. There is 10X image on there and a IS image. It seems to be leaking in the center??? Judah says it''s eye clean and that it "faces up exceptionally white". He says the primary grader is a white feather but it looks dark to me in the 10X. Could just be the lighting. Here''s is the link and specs. Should I pass on this and look for a better diamond or is this one the one????

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/diamond/88036.html

Carat : 1.71
Clarity : SI1
Color : I
Ships Within : Ships Immediately
Certificate Number : 15668356
Measurements : 6.67 x 6.65 x 4.57
Depth : 68.7
Table : 63%
Polish : Very good
Symmetry : Very good
Fluorescence : None

 

[diagem]

Date: 1/10/2008 4:21:59 PM
Author:FishInSea
I''m looking for an Asscher. I''ve read hundreds of posts from Storm and all you other knowledgeable PSers. I just got one sent to me from Excel. I am actually prepared to spend up to $10,500 on a diamond but Excel just sent me this one. There is 10X image on there and a IS image. It seems to be leaking in the center??? Judah says it''s eye clean and that it ''faces up exceptionally white''. He says the primary grader is a white feather but it looks dark to me in the 10X. Could just be the lighting. Here''s is the link and specs. Should I pass on this and look for a better diamond or is this one the one????

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/diamond/88036.html

Carat : 1.71
Clarity : SI1
Color : I
Ships Within : Ships Immediately
Certificate Number : 15668356
Measurements : 6.67 x 6.65 x 4.57
Depth : 68.7
Table : 63%
Polish : Very good
Symmetry : Very good
Fluorescence : None

Eye clean???

 

[FishInSea]

Eye Clean - You can''t see any inclusions with the naked eye.

 

[BriBee]

Date: 1/10/2008 4:30:07 PM
Author: DiaGem
Eye clean???

Maybe Excel meant "eye-clean" as in to the naked eye (no 10x magnification)???

ETA: must have posted at the same time

 

[diagem]

Date: 1/10/2008 4:36:11 PM
Author: FishInSea
Eye Clean - You can''t see any inclusions with the naked eye.

OK

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 1/10/2008 4:36:11 PM
Author: FishInSea
Eye Clean - You can't see any inclusions with the naked eye.

I find that very hard to believe, ask him too tilt it 2 degrees and I bet they pop.
Id rate the cut as exellent with the a disclaimer that id want more pictures and or an opinion on the center of the stone, some tilt going on in the regular photo.
IS shows it red.
See it in person unmounted if you decide too go with it so you can return it if you need too due to the inclusions, you might get lucky and im wrong about them.

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 1/10/2008 4:51:48 PM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 1/10/2008 4:36:11 PM

Author: FishInSea

Eye Clean - You can''t see any inclusions with the naked eye.

OK

lol...diagem...

i think diagem gave the rolling eyes over the eyeclean? comment b/c there are very few and far between eyeclean SI asschers..maybe you''ve somehow managed to find one...


I agree with storm, see it in person and then decide...

 

[FishInSea]

Date: 1/10/2008 6:53:53 PM
Author: strmrdr
I find that very hard to believe, ask him too tilt it 2 degrees and I bet they pop.
Id rate the cut as exellent with the a disclaimer that id want more pictures and or an opinion on the center of the stone, some tilt going on in the regular photo.
IS shows it red.
See it in person unmounted if you decide too go with it so you can return it if you need too due to the inclusions, you might get lucky and im wrong about them.

So just ask him for a regular photo with it tilted 2 degrees?

 

[kcoursolle]

I also doubt this stone will pass the eye clean test from face up or from other angles.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 1/10/2008 8:10:32 PM
Author: FishInSea

Date: 1/10/2008 6:53:53 PM
Author: strmrdr
I find that very hard to believe, ask him too tilt it 2 degrees and I bet they pop.
Id rate the cut as exellent with the a disclaimer that id want more pictures and or an opinion on the center of the stone, some tilt going on in the regular photo.
IS shows it red.
See it in person unmounted if you decide too go with it so you can return it if you need too due to the inclusions, you might get lucky and im wrong about them.

So just ask him for a regular photo with it tilted 2 degrees?

photos wont help ask for a professional opinion on how visible they are as the stone is rocked.
The photos are for further cut information.
Its a crap shoot having it sent too you but that's the only sure way too tell and its not cheap.
Its really a decision you will have too make yourself after talking with your vendor.

I avoid si asschers and emerald cuts online because they are a gamble.
A couple people have found si too them eyeclean asschers in b&m's and as long as their eyes say its eyeclean then I don't have a problem saying go for it but buying online I advise sticking with vs2 or higher and even they have to checked by the vendor because some small percentage might not be eyeclean. I don't have an exact number but its likely less than .5% maybe even as low as .1% vs graded asschers wont be eyeclean and 99.9%+ of the si wont be eyeclean.
That is just my gut feeling on the issue.

 

[Kaleigh]

I''ve yet to see an eye clean SI asscher.

 

[UCLABelle]

FishInSea- I am not an asscher expert, but I owned a 1.92 one, which was an "I" color (GIA certified). In some lights, the color did not bother me, but you will notice the warmth, and on some days, it may appear a light light yellow....Asschers show not just inclusions, but color, more so than other cuts. Keep this in mind. YOU REALLY need to see an asscher before purchasing. You could love it, but it is better safe than sorry.

 

[Gypsy]

Asscher girl has a very lovely asscher that is SI. In person, until it was pointed out to me I couldn''t see the small white birthmark. Personally It didn''t bother me one bit cause you had to be CLOSE to see the inclusion, and she got a great deal on it and set it perfectly. I think it''s worth a look.

I step cuts are warm. You have to decide, in person, if that''s going to be an issue for you.

So basically, just take advantage of the return policy to see it yourself.

 

[diagem]

If the image of the Asscher is one of a cleaned stone (no external dirt)..., then you have quite a few inclusions and reflections.
Take into consideration that inclusions positioned on the pavilion of an step-cut will (most) probably reflect!

If the inclusions are on the crown..., the chances are better for an eye-clean appearance.

I might be wrong..., but to me it looks as the inclusions are on the pavilion and I (think) reflections are noticeable on the image.
If the reflections are noticeable in the image..., chances are they will reflect more in live when the Diamond is in movement.

Now..., please dont get me wrong..., I am NOT saying its a bad looking stone..., but in my opinion..., eye-clean is a thin possibility...

But again..., depends on the persons eyesight.

I know to many people which do identify VS''s with their naked eyes!

 

[FishInSea]

The GIA report shows where the inclusions are. Excel says that you can't see the inclusions with the naked eye or they are very hard to see even if you know where they are and they believe you wouldn't be able to see it once mounted. They said the diamond has a white/grayish speckle color to it.

Anyway, I think I'm leaning towards what you all are saying. I could have it shipped here to look at it and take it to an appraiser but I would have to pay for it and return it within 10 days if not happy (minus shipping/insurance). I don't know, it's a gamble. I'm leaning towards continuing the search.....I guess for an H/VS asscher that is as well cut as this one in my budget.

Thanks for all your help on this....I'm sure you'll be hearing from me again. You guys are the best!

 

[diagem]

Date: 1/11/2008 9:43:58 AM
Author: FishInSea
The GIA report shows where the inclusions are. Excel says that you can''t see the inclusions with the naked eye or they are very hard to see even if you know where they are and they believe you wouldn''t be able to see it once mounted. They said the diamond has a white/grayish speckle color to it.

Anyway, I think I''m leaning towards what you all are saying. I could have it shipped here to look at it and take it to an appraiser but I would have to pay for it and return it within 10 days if not happy (minus shipping/insurance). I don''t know, it''s a gamble. I''m leaning towards continuing the search.....I guess for an H/VS asscher that is as well cut as this one in my budget.

Thanks for all your help on this....I''m sure you''ll be hearing from me again. You guys are the best!

First of all..., let me tell you my intentions are not to discourage you from purchasing!!!

Just a "wild" guess..., the speckle you mention which I would translate to color of face-up appearance might be based on an "I" colored TLB (top light brown or even grayish).

Regarding the inclusions not being visible after setting/mounting..., could also be the complete opposite...

Feathers have their own laws of being visible..., if the mounting will block the path of light can easily result in a visibly dark feather..., even if the feather is white or colorless!!!