Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a?

[jared]

I really need as much face-up estate (size 10 finger), within a 4,500 budget.

I found this 1.62 k color, I1. excellent cut, hearts and diamonds, and hca score is not bad (2.4).

I'm almost ready to purchase this, since, it seems like the best within my budget, save for the inclusion near the center.

after seeing the pictures (at least what's available), I'm thinking the inclusion wouldn't cause too much of a bother since it might not be noticeable with all the shadows and reflections. bottom line is, i'll be good with "it's not gonna be bothersome".

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Here are the pics and specs:

http://d1om0j4oq55t4.cloudfront.net...569__round_excellent_cut_k_i1_certificate.jpg

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B41xqyknPB9FNXBNQkM3MTJhNFhxRHJHOWZINUY2X0JyQ3dN/edit?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B41xqyknPB9FdndtQU1ETjAwVFNldklqd0IxREYzNThPS1Nv/edit?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B41xqyknPB9FOV9TZWNGSm5GRjNUWGJzN1pJMmxVRFdQRDVB/edit?usp=sharing

 

[tyty333]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

Can you have it sent to you to check out? The one on the girdle can probably be covered by a prong but the one on
the table might be visible. Did you ask them if its eye-clean or how far away do you have to be to see it?

 

[jared]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

Can you have it sent to you to check out? The one on the girdle can probably be covered by a prong but the one on
the table might be visible. Did you ask them if its eye-clean or how far away do you have to be to see it?

thanks for the response! i asked them about it and they said that it may not be that visible from a distance, as it is not one of those black carbon things.

they will send me a picture as soon as the diamond arrives at their place

Thanks!

 

[marcy]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

Hi Jared.

Just a thought - I saw your other thread on getting a diamond as large as possible - are you interested in a smaller diamond then mount it in a large halo setting? That will be cheaper and give you more finger coverage for less.

I wouldn't personally go lower than Si clarity and would want something that is naked eye clean about 10 inches away.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

IMO...this is not a true H&A stone.

 

[metatrix]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

That diamond does not have the best spread. You are better off finding an eye clean SI2 with a thin girdle and shallow angles to maximize the diameter of the stone. Then halo it for finger coverage.

 

[jared]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

Thanks for the responses. Unfortunately, a halo setting is not for me and my soon to be fiancé. So solitaire is my only option.

As for the coverage, I ran the dimensions in the calculator below and it says that the diamond faces up properly.

http://www.diamdb.com/diamond/1.62ct-round-7.49x7.51x4.65/

What I'll do is to just wait for the diamond and if I'm not happy with it, avail of the return policy. I have an alternative, a 1.27 which is below. Do you think I should just go for this? Don't know if this would already be small (around 6.9 diameter )

http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_k_vs2#p=3238381

 

[CanuckAB]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

That new 1.27 has a HCA score of 5.4. That crown angle does not work well with that pavilion angle.

 

[jared]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

That new 1.27 has a HCA score of 5.4. That crown angle does not work well with that pavilion angle.

Thanks for pointing that out! Forgot to take that into factor. I guess I'll just go with the 1.62. It's got a good hca score as well. I'll let you know what it looks like when it arrives. I'll contact the vendor once they get the stone and ask for their assessment of the inclusion.

If you guys find anything else for me. Just let me know.

Thank you very much!

 

[MarionC]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

That new 1.27 has a HCA score of 5.4. That crown angle does not work well with that pavilion angle.

Thanks for pointing that out! Forgot to take that into factor. I guess I'll just go with the 1.62. It's got a good hca score as well. I'll let you know what it looks like when it arrives. I'll contact the vendor once they get the stone and ask for their assessment of the inclusion.

If you guys find anything else for me. Just let me know.

Thank you very much!

Good Luck!
It will be fun to see what this looks like in person.
I hope it's everything you want.

 

[jared]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

That new 1.27 has a HCA score of 5.4. That crown angle does not work well with that pavilion angle.

Thanks for pointing that out! Forgot to take that into factor. I guess I'll just go with the 1.62. It's got a good hca score as well. I'll let you know what it looks like when it arrives. I'll contact the vendor once they get the stone and ask for their assessment of the inclusion.

If you guys find anything else for me. Just let me know.

Thank you very much!

Good Luck!
It will be fun to see what this looks like in person.
I hope it's everything you want.

Thanks again! It's quite exciting. Almost like a gamble. If this inclusion turns out acceptable, this will be a very good bargain for a 1.62. (Plus the fact that I'm closer to marrying my best friend!)

 

[tyty333]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

I'm excited for you too! Hopefully a gamble that pays off. Please come back and tell us what you think and post some pictures.

 

[SirGuy]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

Let us know how it looks! If it's not bothersome then it sounds like a good deal.

By the way, is it emasculating for me to say I got a smile about your comment of marrying your best friend? Shucks.

 

[Lorelei]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

That new 1.27 has a HCA score of 5.4. That crown angle does not work well with that pavilion angle.

Thanks for pointing that out! Forgot to take that into factor. I guess I'll just go with the 1.62. It's got a good hca score as well. I'll let you know what it looks like when it arrives. I'll contact the vendor once they get the stone and ask for their assessment of the inclusion.

If you guys find anything else for me. Just let me know.

Thank you very much!

Good Luck!
It will be fun to see what this looks like in person.
I hope it's everything you want.

Thanks again! It's quite exciting. Almost like a gamble. If this inclusion turns out acceptable, this will be a very good bargain for a 1.62. (Plus the fact that I'm closer to marrying my best friend!)

Hi Jared,

I definitely wouldn't suggest going with the 1.27, there are various flags with this diamond, not just the angles, it's a risky proposition for your intended purpose. The I1 isn't a perfectly cut stone but it still could be a looker and if it is eye clean in various lighting conditions, it might just work out, I really hope it does!

 

[jared]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

That new 1.27 has a HCA score of 5.4. That crown angle does not work well with that pavilion angle.

Thanks for pointing that out! Forgot to take that into factor. I guess I'll just go with the 1.62. It's got a good hca score as well. I'll let you know what it looks like when it arrives. I'll contact the vendor once they get the stone and ask for their assessment of the inclusion.

If you guys find anything else for me. Just let me know.

Thank you very much!

Good Luck!
It will be fun to see what this looks like in person.
I hope it's everything you want.

Thanks again! It's quite exciting. Almost like a gamble. If this inclusion turns out acceptable, this will be a very good bargain for a 1.62. (Plus the fact that I'm closer to marrying my best friend!)

Hi Jared,

I definitely wouldn't suggest going with the 1.27, there are various flags with this diamond, not just the angles, it's a risky proposition for your intended purpose. The I1 isn't a perfectly cut stone but it still could be a looker and if it is eye clean in various lighting conditions, it might just work out, I really hope it does!

Reviving this thread.

I'm now looking at this 1.36 carat K SI1 which seems eye clean.

Nice HCA rating also (1.4). I'm thinking of just going with this one, as it is safer.

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-5079997-1.36-carat-Round-diamond-K-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=5079997&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

Also, I passed by a jewelry store earlier, and got to see how the different carat sizes actually looked like in person. I must say, 1.2 up diamonds are no longer that puny!

 

[SirGuy]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

It's okay; it's not great. Please remember that the HCA is a rejection tool, not a selection tool. Once you get below say, 2.5 or 2.0, it means it's worth taking a closer look. A 1.4 isn't necessarily better than a 1.9.

The stone you linked to is a 60/60 stone. Is that something you were actively looking for, or are okay with? 60/60 stones are a bit wider in the table, with shallower crown angles and shorter crown heights. They can face up with more brightness (white) compared to dispersion (fire) than those stones cut closer to Tolkowsky ideals.

 

[jared]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

It's okay; it's not great. Please remember that the HCA is a rejection tool, not a selection tool. Once you get below say, 2.5 or 2.0, it means it's worth taking a closer look. A 1.4 isn't necessarily better than a 1.9.

The stone you linked to is a 60/60 stone. Is that something you were actively looking for, or are okay with? 60/60 stones are a bit wider in the table, with shallower crown angles and shorter crown heights. They can face up with more brightness (white) compared to dispersion (fire) than those stones cut closer to Tolkowsky ideals.

Thanks for this feedback, SirGuy. Is "facing up with more brightness" a negative in a diamond? Sorry, I can't picture it in my mind. I'll look up youtube videos on this. Thanks!

 

[Lorelei]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

[quote

Reviving this thread.

I'm now looking at this 1.36 carat K SI1 which seems eye clean.

Nice HCA rating also (1.4). I'm thinking of just going with this one, as it is safer.

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-5079997-1.36-carat-Round-diamond-K-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=5079997&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

Also, I passed by a jewelry store earlier, and got to see how the different carat sizes actually looked like in person. I must say, 1.2 up diamonds are no longer that puny![/quote]


Actually, this diamond has great potential, it's what we call a 60 60 type stone, these can favour brilliance or white light more than fire or coloured light but looking at the overall proportions, it could be a well balanced performer, definitely promising if eye clean to your specifications, check with B2C to be sure. Brilliance is not a negative thing, just one of the desirable components of a diamond's performance, brilliance is white light, fire is coloured light, ideally a diamond shows a good mix of both but might favour one more than the other depending on the proportions, my guess is this could be a stone with a good mix of each with a slight tendency to favour brilliance, this is just an estimate though as I can't see the diamond. Are you ok with the possible warmth of the K colour?

Here is a good tutorial on the basic components of diamond performance.

https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-brilliance-fire-scintillation

 

[tyty333]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

It's okay; it's not great. Please remember that the HCA is a rejection tool, not a selection tool. Once you get below say, 2.5 or 2.0, it means it's worth taking a closer look. A 1.4 isn't necessarily better than a 1.9.

The stone you linked to is a 60/60 stone. Is that something you were actively looking for, or are okay with? 60/60 stones are a bit wider in the table, with shallower crown angles and shorter crown heights. They can face up with more brightness (white) compared to dispersion (fire) than those stones cut closer to Tolkowsky ideals.

Thanks for this feedback, SirGuy. Is "facing up with more brightness" a negative in a diamond? Sorry, I can't picture it in my mind. I'll look up youtube videos on this. Thanks!

More brightness usually means less fire. Normally we try to get a well
Balanced stone but we understand your need for size. This tradeoff will probably
Be fine for you.

 

[jared]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

Hi Guys,

To update you on the 1.36 K Color from Zoara, here are pictures. It is now worn by my best friend - now fiancee. Thanks all!

 

[Niel]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

Hi Guys,

To update you on the 1.36 K Color from Zoara, here are pictures. It is now worn by my best friend - now fiancee. Thanks all!

Jared that turned out lovely and a great size for her! Please start a SMTB thread I think it would be very beneficial for future people shopping with similar ring sizes

 

[CanuckAB]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

I love the hand shots! You did good! Congratulations to the both of you!

 

[SirGuy]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

Congratulations! That turned out great!

 

[Cricketcat]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

Beautiful!

 

[SandyinAnaheim]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

Jared, you're a sweetheart! The ring looks smashing on your BFF's hand - good job! When's the date??

 

[Bailey_Lou]

Re: Should this inclusion be a dealbreaker for this 1.62 h&a

Nice, that came out really well. Thank you for updating.