Should race preferences guide who gets the Covid 19 vaccination first?

[Dancing Fire]

Those who are most selfish will probably refuse the vaccine.

So let them die. For those who will be vaccinated have nothing to worry about.

 

[kenny]

So let them die. For those who will be vaccinated have nothing to worry about.

Well, not quite.
The current top 2 vaccines are not 100 effective, only 90 and 95%.
Let's say, on average, they are 92.5% effective.
That means 7.5% of those vaccinated NOT unprotected.

If the earth has 8 billion people, the vaccine doesn't work for 600 million of us.
Maybe for me, maybe for you, maybe for your grandchildren.

IOW, you should want/hope that there are no vaccine deniers.
So, convince your friends, who are on the fence about it, to get vaccinated.

This pandemic is not just another "respect diversity and live and let live" thing.

 

[JPie]

That’s an interesting use of the word “cravenly.”

 

[kenny]

Well, not quite.
The current top 2 vaccines are not 100 effective, only 90 and 95%.
Let's say, on average, they are 92.5% effective.
That means 7.5% of those vaccinated NOT unprotected.

If the earth has 8 billion people, the vaccine doesn't work for 600 million of us.
Maybe for me, maybe for you, maybe for your grandchildren.

IOW, you should want/hope that there are no vaccine deniers.
So, convince your friends, who are on the fence about it, to get vaccinated.

This pandemic is not just another "respect diversity and live and let live" thing.

OMG. Someone please shoot me.
There are so many writing errors in that post.

 

[eh613c]

First Coronavirus Vaccine Doses Administered In Hard Hit Indigenous Communities

Native Americans have been disproportionately impacted by the coronavirus pandemic and are four times as likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19.

www.npr.org

I'm glad its going there because its been hard going to sew 16000 masks.

But this right here

Stanford Apologizes After Vaccine Allocation Leaves Out Nearly All Medical Residents

Residents waged a protest on Friday, demanding to know why senior faculty were getting the vaccine before front-line workers who see COVID-19 patients. Stanford has agreed the plan was flawed.

www.npr.org

that was just disgusting. yeah it went to a hospital but not to front line workers as it should have.

That’s what happened at UCLA. The faculty and staff are getting the vaccine before the nurses and doctors working at UCLA hospital

 

[Missy]

That’s what happened at UCLA. The faculty and staff are getting the vaccine before the nurses and doctors working at UCLA hospital

Heinous and egregious.

That’s an interesting use of the word “cravenly.”

I thought so too and it was a quote (by George Bernard Shaw) I was unfamiliar with until recently.

Animal Rights: A History George Bernard Shaw

Animal Rights: A History George Bernard Shaw This page is part of the section: Animal Rights: A History The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to...

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[Missy]

This pandemic is not just another "respect diversity and live and let live" thing.

Exactly. Why is this such a difficult concept for some to grasp?

 

[JPie]

Heinous and egregious.




I thought so too and it was a quote (by George Bernard Shaw) I was unfamiliar with until recently.

Animal Rights: A History George Bernard Shaw

Animal Rights: A History George Bernard Shaw This page is part of the section: Animal Rights: A History The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to...

thinkdifferentlyaboutsheep.weebly.com

Thank you! I generally hear the word in the context of spineless politicians, so it’s a bit odd seeing it used to describe a fear of people. Personally, I don’t think there’s anything craven about that.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Just you keep you and your family safe DF
You seem to have done that quite well so far

Either I die from Covid 19 or spent the rest of my life in a Psychiatric Hospital wearing a strait jacket. Which ever comes first.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

This will be an unpopular opinion, but... Yes.
This is a new vaccine.

I am not antivax.
But my cat got preventable cancer from a rabies vaccine known to contain cancer-causing adjuvants. Veterinarians give animals specific vaccines in certain places on the body for the express purpose of being able to track location-specific issues... I called it preventable because an alternate rabies vaccine that does not contain these adjuvants was available - it is now the default at many clinics.

My vet at the time, who I trusted completely and unquestioningly, didn’t tell me anything about this potential problem or the available alternative.
Why? Because it’s rare, I’m sure.
And I didn’t ask. I didn’t ask because I didn’t know that it was a question that I should be asking.
Well, “it’s rare” doesn’t help my cat, who lost his leg, or me.
So now... How do I know what other questions I’m not asking but should be? I don’t know what I don’t know. I’m not a medical professional. But I was wrong to blindly trust once - I am certainly not going to make that mistake again, with either animal or human medicine.

I will NOT agree with any movement to force a brand new vaccine on anyone... Except, hypothetically, those who choose to egregiously disregard others’ health and welfare. I’m thinking college kids partying Friday nights despite SIP, people who refuse to wear masks in public because #MyRights. But how on earth do you determine who is “behaving with egregious disregard”?
You can’t... So my opinion becomes a simple “no forcing anyone to get this vaccine, period”. And with it “no penalizing those who choose to wait”.

FWIW I will get the vaccine as soon as it’s available to me. I’m in about as low a risk group for any complications as one can possibly be in. I am worried about my parents and grandmother getting it... But they’re being very careful about restricting activity so their odds of getting or spreading covid are extremely low with or without it.

I love you, Yssie, but you already knew that. I am not what I'd call an "anti-Vaxxer" either. I am what I call educated on the topic. I do know that many vaccines that were developed over YEARS have still caused cancers, disabilities, and death in SOME people (and animals). How many medications were approved and later taken off the market after enough adverse events??? I also know that vaccine manufacturers are immune from being sued for damages...big red flag. So being a relatively smart person, I would never be first in line for any new medication or vaccine until there is more information on the adverse effects in the larger population. I'll stick with being careful. Thankfully I do not live in a dense population area, and we have had low case rates all along.

So I agree with Yssie that no one should be forced to take what is basically an experimental vaccine, and I think it shouldn't be seen as selfish because of the obvious risks. My medical decisions are between my doctor and me, period.

The correct answer to the question is number 3. Most at risk should be offered it first.

 

[autumngems]

I have a few in my office that refuse to get the vaccine as they say there isn't enough research and they don't want to grow a 2nd head. Sadly, some of those people work with children and our military on a daily basis so there's that.

 

[kenny]

Timely article from Reuters ...

Some U.S. Black pastors, key players in COVID education, are hesitating to push vaccine

When a major healthcare organization asked A.R. Bernard, the Black head of a Brooklyn megachurch, to sit on a committee tasked with boosting acceptance of COVID-19 vaccines in communities of color in New York City, he demurred.

www.reuters.com

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

I have a few in my office that refuse to get the vaccine as they say there isn't enough research and they don't want to grow a 2nd head. Sadly, some of those people work with children and our military on a daily basis so there's that.

This makes me sad ...and worried

 

[kenny]

I have a few in my office that refuse to get the vaccine as they say there isn't enough research and they don't want to grow a 2nd head. ...

They should focus on growing their first head.

 

[voce]

Here's what I think.

Behavioral risk >>>>>>> genetic risk factors > self-identified race statistically-correlated risk factors

I would not distribute the vaccine based on race because other (occupational, economical) indicators are much better, more informative.

 

[Dancing Fire]

People should be vaccinated by racial groups in Alphabetical order.

African Americans
American Indians
Asians


Whites to the back of the line. No more white privileges for you...

Seriously, nowadays must every topic involve RACE?

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

People should be vaccinated by racial groups in Alphabetical order.

African Americans
American Indians
Asians


Whites to the back of the line. No more white privileges for you...

Seriously, nowadays must every topic involve RACE?

I serially hope in the 3D real world no one is debating this for this long - imangine how many peeps could be immunized while we are debating

As an aside I'm keen to swap places with you in that line (stupid smilies not working for me today)

 

[Ella]

Folks we’re not debating race and who deserves the vaccine the most here. Closing this thread and some time outs and bans have been given for posts that have been removed. Behave.