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Should I pass on this WF ACA diamond?

coffeedonutcake

coffeedonutcake

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Hello everyone,

I was looking at a H/VS2 diamond from Whiteflash. It's labelled as eye-clean, but I noticed there is a black spot on the center of the diamond. I emailed Whiteflash to ask if the diamond is indeed eyeclean, and here is the reply from Whiteflash:

"After inspecting the diamond I would say it is eye clean from the top, the contrast seems to hide the inclusion a lot more than I was expecting. I got glimpses of it from 6” but as soon as I turned the diamond it would disappear. It is 100% visible from the side even upon casual inspection. It’s important to keep in mind that 6 inches is just about as close as most people can focus."

It sounds like the inclusion is visible at 6" distance from both top and side. This is disappointing because my previous SI1 stone is completely eye-clean. Should I pass on this diamond even though it's labelled as eye-clean?
 
Can you provide a link to the stone?
 
coffeedonutcake said:
Hello everyone,

I was looking at a H/VS2 diamond from Whiteflash. It's labelled as eye-clean, but I noticed there is a black spot on the center of the diamond. I emailed Whiteflash to ask if the diamond is indeed eyeclean, and here is the reply from Whiteflash:

"After inspecting the diamond I would say it is eye clean from the top, the contrast seems to hide the inclusion a lot more than I was expecting. I got glimpses of it from 6” but as soon as I turned the diamond it would disappear. It is 100% visible from the side even upon casual inspection. It’s important to keep in mind that 6 inches is just about as close as most people can focus."

It sounds like the inclusion is visible at 6" distance from both top and side. This is disappointing because my previous SI1 stone is completely eye-clean. Should I pass on this diamond even though it's labelled as eye-clean?
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How big is the stone? Could you reserve the stone and link it here so we could take a look?

I had a 1.81 VS2 with a few small dark crystals under the table that I could never see from the top down but were visible from the side upon very close inspection (and no one knew except me and my DH and he only knew bc I told him!).
 
Are you doing a 6 prong setting? That’s going to be hard to see in real life viewing. But you can order and look at it to be sure.
 
coffeedonutcake said:
It sounds like the inclusion is visible at 6" distance from both top and side. This is disappointing because my previous SI1 stone is completely eye-clean. Should I pass on this diamond even though it's labelled as eye-clean?
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As a member of the trade I cannot comment on another vendor's diamond.

In the trade we grade diamonds from the top. You can read the description of what is each vendor's definition of eye clean from the top.

It is then up to you on whether you wish to work with the trade definition or one of your own. It is your money and you may decide to use your own definition if you choose. Since you are working with a vendor who is willing to share with you the complete facts of the sales person's experience, you are getting a much better idea of exactly what you may expect when you see the diamond yourself.

Since you are also working with a vendor who has an excellent return policy, then you can both know what to expect when you see the diamond and if you find you cannot live with it, you may comfortably ask the vendor to send you a return label for the diamond so that you are covered under their insurance.

If you already know that you will not be happy with the trade definition of the diamond, then you can choose to look at another diamond.

This, to me, sounds like a, "no way to lose", way to look, or not look at the diamond you are discussing.

Wink
 
That will be a hard (but not impossible) inclusion to see IRL. It comes down to when you see it, will you be able to unsee it and will that bother you? As I said, my previous stone's inclusions didn't bother me one bit. WF has a great return policy, though, so it's worth it to at least see it but DS offered up a beautiful alternative if you don't want to take the risk.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
I’d just go for this one if you are uncertain.

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3858601.htm
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Yes, I'm planning on putting it on a 6 prong setting.

If I were going to go for something a bit smaller, I kind of like this 1.588 ct one. Because it's barely smaller than the 1.618 one but 2k cheaper.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3636386.htm

Or potentially I can go slightly larger with one of these following ones. But I'm not sure if I can justify 2k increase for minimal size increase.

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3988016.htm

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3988017.htm

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3988018.htm
 
Wink said:
As a member of the trade I cannot comment on another vendor's diamond.

In the trade we grade diamonds from the top. You can read the description of what is each vendor's definition of eye clean from the top.

It is then up to you on whether you wish to work with the trade definition or one of your own. It is your money and you may decide to use your own definition if you choose. Since you are working with a vendor who is willing to share with you the complete facts of the sales person's experience, you are getting a much better idea of exactly what you may expect when you see the diamond yourself.

Since you are also working with a vendor who has an excellent return policy, then you can both know what to expect when you see the diamond and if you find you cannot live with it, you may comfortably ask the vendor to send you a return label for the diamond so that you are covered under their insurance.

If you already know that you will not be happy with the trade definition of the diamond, then you can choose to look at another diamond.

This, to me, sounds like a, "no way to lose", way to look, or not look at the diamond you are discussing.

Wink
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Thanks @Wink . I might get the stone and evaluate if the inclusion bothers me in real life. I was slightly intimated by the possible returning process. But that's one of the perks of working with Whiteflash, and I should take advantage of it if necessary.
 
ac117 said:
That will be a hard (but not impossible) inclusion to see IRL. It comes down to when you see it, will you be able to unsee it and will that bother you? As I said, my previous stone's inclusions didn't bother me one bit. WF has a great return policy, though, so it's worth it to at least see it but DS offered up a beautiful alternative if you don't want to take the risk.
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@ac117 Honestly I'm not sure if it will bother me once I see it. My last stone is completely eye clean even though it was an SI1.
 
An SI1 might have more, but smaller, inclusions as opposed to a VS2 that might have one larger inclusion. I agree with others that it might be difficult to see but it sounds like if the stone is turned just right, you'd be able to see it. Some people are not that clarity sensitive but if you think that it would bother you, I'd just keep looking - especially if you think you will compare it to your other SI1 stone.
 
Pass. It will drive you crazy forever even if no one can see it
 
That inclusion would drive me crazy. I would pass.
 
I would pass too. Knowing it’s there would bug me. It’s a mind clean thing but it would be a no for me.
 
I would pass on this one. I’d always be looking for the inclusion instead of enjoying the diamond
 
Pass;)2
 
Trained gemologist can see it at six inches when turned just the right way.

I cannot focus on anything closely at six inches, and I'm not a trained gemologist. How about you or your intended? Can you see very small things very closely? Are you trained gemologists?
 
ringo865 said:
Trained gemologist can see it at six inches when turned just the right way.

I cannot focus on anything closely at six inches, and I'm not a trained gemologist. How about you or your intended? Can you see very small things very closely? Are you trained gemologists?
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I was once at a shooting range and a grandma fired off all rounds in a snub nose 357 revolver and scared the wazoo out of me. What really scared me was the fact the target was only about 10' in front of her, and had no holes in it and as I peeked around the corner she was shaking and the gun was moving about 10" in every direction.

At that point I learned that sight is very subjective. :lol:

In all seriousness, I think it comes down to it being "mind clean". If you know it's there and it isn't visible to 99% of normal Joe's, are you okay with it? If so, then buy it. If it will always drive you nuts and make you question your purchase then you need to pass.
 
 
coffeedonutcake said:
Thanks @diamondseeker2006 ! Any reason this one is better than the other 2 1.7ish Stones?
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I'm not the person you are asking, but for me I prefer the cert on the stone @diamondseeker also likes. Plus, looking at the video the diamond speaks to me more.

Trying to use data, all the specs except the star facets fall into the OPTIMUM category for a H&A stone. And it just barely misses it @ 51% (range is 40-50% optimum, or 40-58% for normal).

http://www.heartsandarrows.com/hearts-arrows-diamond-ideal-cut-dna.aspx

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What an interesting chart! Thanks for sharing sledge!!
 
I'd take this one :love: love the smaller table and an ever so slightly higher crown https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3988017.htm

G is my sweet spot for color and I prefer putting money into that rather than things I can't see like inclusions, as long as it's eye clean. It's really splitting hairs - I'd pick your top 3 and ask WF to pull the stones and tell you what THEY see - which one really jumps out at them, how they feel about the color of each stone (are they high H's, true H's, low H's). They could also provide comparison photos/videos.
 
ac117 said:
I'd take this one :love: love the smaller table and an ever so slightly higher crown https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3988017.htm

G is my sweet spot for color and I prefer putting money into that rather than things I can't see like inclusions, as long as it's eye clean. It's really splitting hairs - I'd pick your top 3 and ask WF to pull the stones and tell you what THEY see - which one really jumps out at them, how they feel about the color of each stone (are they high H's, true H's, low H's). They could also provide comparison photos/videos.
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This is the one I was leaning toward too! Because it’s a G color. And just like you, I don’t want to pay for something I can’t see as far as it’s eye clean.
 
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