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BabyPanda90

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I have a private jeweler and we're creating a custom ring.

One of the Diamonds he has that I'm looking at is a

1.56 carat - G - VS1 - $13,200
61% - depth
55% - table
33 degrees - crown
40.8 degrees - pavilion

Scores a 0.8 on HCA Tool.
Light Return - Excellent
Fire - Excellent
Scintillation - Excellent
Spread - Very Good

Should I be worried about the spread of being very good or am I overly worrying.

Its going to be my biggest purchase and I have months, so I do have time. But I just want to get the right diamond.

Please advise me!
 
Anyone?
 
Video or ASET would help us know more.

The very good on spread is probably due to the 61 depth and smaller table but I think most people here would find that acceptable.
 
HDer said:
Video or ASET would help us know more.

The very good on spread is probably due to the 61 depth and smaller table but I think most people here would find that acceptable.
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For the price, do you think it's good?

How serious should I take excellent vs very good?
 
Price wise it looks within range.

The spread metric is just a guess at how big the diamond faces up. It conflicts with the other metrics to some extent so I wouldn't worry about it personally.
 
Very good spread is moral for most(all) well cut stones, shallow stones get "excellent" which is not what you want in a diamond for a ring.
The stats seem fine, I would prefer a crown angle between 34-35, but 33 is acceptable. The stone will show more white sparkles vs rainbow colors, but if you like that, then that's fine. Are you set on purchasing locally? We can help you find alternative diamonds at the same price.
 
SimoneDi said:
Very good spread is moral for most(all) well cut stones, shallow stones get "excellent" which is not what you want in a diamond for a ring.
The stats seem fine, I would prefer a crown angle between 34-35, but 33 is acceptable. The stone will show more white sparkles vs rainbow colors, but if you like that, then that's fine. Are you set on purchasing locally? We can help you find alternative diamonds at the same price.
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Yes I will be going through my jeweler for the diamond. But I really do appreciate your advice. Thank you for easing my mind on the very good versus excellence when it comes to the spread. But why would a shallow stone be bad for a diamond that is utilized for a ring? Isn't the spread the visual of what you see face up?
 
BabyPanda90 said:
Yes I will be going through my jeweler for the diamond. But I really do appreciate your advice. Thank you for easing my mind on the very good versus excellence when it comes to the spread. But why would a shallow stone be bad for a diamond that is utilized for a ring? Isn't the spread the visual of what you see face up?
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We are taking about a fraction of a mm here, there are "ideal proportions" when it comes to diamonds, those are generally;

Table: 54-58
Depth: 60-62
Crown angle: 34-35
Pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9

Now, crown angle of 33 can also be fine, again the diamond will show more white flashes (scintillation) vs rainbow colors (fire), but many people like that. The diamond has a nice color G and great VS1 clarity, so it will definitely be white and eye-clean. Depth of 61% is great! Most ideal cut diamonds, including mine are deeper, mine is at 61.9. The spread will be great for the carat weight. Spreadier diamonds are usually (not always) 60/60 stones and those have larger tables and shallower depth, they *usually* (not always) lack fire. My first diamond was a 60/60 and I happened to enjoy it very much, but I do love my new deeper diamonds just as much, ifnlt more. Don't worry about the depth ;)
 
SimoneDi said:
We are taking about a fraction of a mm here, there are "ideal proportions" when it comes to diamonds, those are generally;

Table: 54-58
Depth: 60-62
Crown angle: 34-35
Pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9

Now, crown angle of 33 can also be fine, again the diamond will show more white flashes (scintillation) vs rainbow colors (fire), but many people like that. The diamond has a nice color G and great VS1 clarity, so it will definitely be white and eye-clean. Depth of 61% is great! Most ideal cut diamonds, including mine are deeper, mine is at 61.9. The spread will be great for the carat weight. Spreadier diamonds are usually (not always) 60/60 stones and those have larger tables and shallower depth, they *usually* (not always) lack fire. My first diamond was a 60/60 and I happened to enjoy it very much, but I do love my new deeper diamonds just as much, ifnlt more. Don't worry about the depth ;-)
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Would you buy this diamond?
 
BabyPanda90 said:
Would you buy this diamond?
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I am not the one who will wear it, so the end decision here will be yours, however, I would not buy that diamond based on the existing information only. We like to see pictures, videos, ASET, IS images, etc. The price seems right however. This is more expensive, but larger stone and something that I would buy without thinking twice: https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...1.850-h-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104095888007

Edit: does it have to be round and what setting are you looking to get? I know you said custom, but any pictures would help.
 
@BabyPanda90 I am also looking for a great rock but am not in a hurry.

I would definitely get the images everyone is talking about. I'm a newb but I have learned so much in the past month or so that it's amazing. It looks like you know what you are looking for, but you may want to post your priorities written out in plain english and let some of the experts guide you.

What you "think" you want in terms of specs might not be the best bang for your buck to get the stone you want. For example, is that the exact size you want or would you prefer to go larger but you are limited by say "G" color and budget? It may be that if you get a "H" that it looks just as white and sparkles more and might even be larger. Of course I could be wrong and you have already looked at master stones and you know EXACTLY what color you want. I'm just using it as an example.

Like right now, I "think" I want a 1.9 ct Expert Selection from Whiteflash in H VS2 with a great ASET scope and like medium blue fuorescence as the reason for A Cut Above disqualification. But I might end up with an I SI1 from Crafted by Infinity. I haven't gotten to see a super ideal in person next to an AGS 0 that is not Hearts and Arrows, so I don't know.

I'm no expert, only repeating some of what I have picked up.

I'm not in a hurry either, but the more I hang out on the forum the more I learn.

Now I go back to James Allen and Blue Nile and look at photos and can't believe I was slumming so hard with what I was looking at... But I honestly don't know yet what I need in real life. I plan to go view a Hearts on Fire to see if I care about the whole super ideal thing or if I can even tell the difference.

I have found the education tabs from WhiteFlash and Crafted By Infinity to be awesome, in terms of transparency and education value. I have also found youtube videos from JannPaul to be very well done.

One thing that I found important to learn was that on the GIA cert, the angles you are reading are averages. The way the facets line up with each other is a product of how consistent or close to the average those angles are, but its not really given to you. It makes no allowance on the cert for variance. For example, if your angle is 34.5, that's perfect, but its just one number representing a group of I believe 17 angles. The hidden trick is that:

34.4 and 34.6 average to 34.5 BUT
so do
34 and 35...

The average is the same but the variance is different. And the lack of variance, often termed precision here, factors into light performance by making sure the light bounces the right way.

I don't know if any of this is helpful, but I hope it is.
 
Everyone has made some great points here, and it's great that you can find such a lovely stone within the typical price range - and get to see it IRL too! Have you asked the jeweler to bring it in to have a look?
 
BabyPanda90 said:
I have a private jeweler and we're creating a custom ring.

One of the Diamonds he has that I'm looking at is a

1.56 carat - G - VS1 - $13,200
61% - depth
55% - table
33 degrees - crown
40.8 degrees - pavilion

Scores a 0.8 on HCA Tool.
Light Return - Excellent
Fire - Excellent
Scintillation - Excellent
Spread - Very Good

Should I be worried about the spread of being very good or am I overly worrying.

Its going to be my biggest purchase and I have months, so I do have time. But I just want to get the right diamond.

Please advise me!
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Who is it certified by
 
Alexiszoe said:
Everyone has made some great points here, and it's great that you can find such a lovely stone within the typical price range - and get to see it IRL too! Have you asked the jeweler to bring it in to have a look?
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Yea I will be visiting the store saturday to check out his selection of diamonds.

We have created our own custom cushion halo diamond engagement ring with a thicker band to accommodate a round center diamond.
 
That's a lovely choice! It might be worth it to ask your jeweler to bring in a diamond with a slightly higher crown angle within PS parameters so you can compare them side by side.
 
Thanks
 
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