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Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in class
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
I thought my two posts in this thread
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-2#p4076824']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-2#p4076824[/URL]
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-6#post-4077615#p4077615']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-6#post-4077615#p4077615[/URL]
would be helpful and interesting to others; I was glad I'd done legwork and wanted to offer what I'd learned. The facts that
* the teachers were not flouting rules by wearing the T-shirts;
* it was part of a planned day of encouragement and aspiration; and
* the day as planned was not some rogue action on the teachers' part, sprung without pedagogical forethought on the students and their families (or school administration), without notice or or over protests from those in the school community;
* a similarly planned day, which had not received nationwide publicity, went off without a hitch at another Seattle school
constituted what I believed you'd consider good news because it allayed many of the concerns you (and others) had raised.
That your response acknowledged none of it, but rather leaped to lob a critique of a group of men seeking to be positive role models for kids
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-6#post-4077620#p4077620']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-6#post-4077620#p4077620[/URL]
was, and still is, mind-boggling to me. Even after further reflection, I don't think my comment calls for an apology, but you think it rude and are free, of course, to report it to Ella.
I actually have not given my opinion on the topic, ruby; I don't often voice an opinion re socio-political topics on Internet forums. But I do like to share facts, of my own first-hand knowledge or what I've discovered through research of reliable sources, because facts are important to me when considering a topic, working my way to a conclusion or opinion & I believe that's true for others as well.ruby59|1474086097|4077630 said:
I thought my two posts in this thread
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-2#p4076824']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-2#p4076824[/URL]
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-6#post-4077615#p4077615']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-6#post-4077615#p4077615[/URL]
would be helpful and interesting to others; I was glad I'd done legwork and wanted to offer what I'd learned. The facts that
* the teachers were not flouting rules by wearing the T-shirts;
* it was part of a planned day of encouragement and aspiration; and
* the day as planned was not some rogue action on the teachers' part, sprung without pedagogical forethought on the students and their families (or school administration), without notice or or over protests from those in the school community;
* a similarly planned day, which had not received nationwide publicity, went off without a hitch at another Seattle school
constituted what I believed you'd consider good news because it allayed many of the concerns you (and others) had raised.
That your response acknowledged none of it, but rather leaped to lob a critique of a group of men seeking to be positive role models for kids
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-6#post-4077620#p4077620']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-6#post-4077620#p4077620[/URL]
was, and still is, mind-boggling to me. Even after further reflection, I don't think my comment calls for an apology, but you think it rude and are free, of course, to report it to Ella.
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
Of course, it is wonderful when successful and caring volunteers come to mentor the children. In my opinion, it was the right decision to change the teacher t-shirts from BLM. Most concerns regarded emphasizing a controversial organization, which many view as divisive. Choosing that t-shirt showed a lack of judgment that brought up other concerns.
It is not only whites and conservatives who see the BLM organization as divisive. That's an opinion based on some of their methods and does not signify racism.
Some, not all, seem too quick to throw out the racism judgment. That promotes nothing but more division and misunderstanding.
Of course, it is wonderful when successful and caring volunteers come to mentor the children. In my opinion, it was the right decision to change the teacher t-shirts from BLM. Most concerns regarded emphasizing a controversial organization, which many view as divisive. Choosing that t-shirt showed a lack of judgment that brought up other concerns.
It is not only whites and conservatives who see the BLM organization as divisive. That's an opinion based on some of their methods and does not signify racism.
Some, not all, seem too quick to throw out the racism judgment. That promotes nothing but more division and misunderstanding.
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
* the initiating post does not express concern that the t-shirts are that of "a controversial organization"; JoCoJen began the thread after reading the FoxNews account because at an age when kids should be learning ABCs, addition/subtraction, and how to get along with others on the playground regardless of color ... instead, we're going to let young non-black children READ that their life doesn't matter because their teacher's shirt excludes them. Way to teach kids NOT to see color by highlighting that very thing. (caps and boldface in original post)
and
* there is just 1 post in this long thread to date -- Arcadian's thoughtful post, on pg. 4, illuminating her perspectives and experiences growing up in a housing project
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-4#post-4076970#p4076970']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-4#post-4076970#p4076970[/URL]
-- that references the BLM organization (and why she, a black woman, does not agree with everything that the group and its members are doing, and not doing).
P.S. Don't think a decision was made to "change the teacher T-shirts from BLM." KOMO, channel 4 (Seattle's ABC station) -- who aired last night the most comprehensive coverage of the day itself at JMES I've seen -- reported that "Teachers" (on-the-scene reporter)/"many teachers" (shorter, print variation of broadcast) wore the shirts & the video footage of JMES yesterday shows teachers at the doorway of the school in the shirts: a tree encircled by the words Black Lives Matter We Stand Together with John Muir Elementary underneath.
http://komonews.com/news/local/police-patrol-seattle-school-after-diversity-event-sparks-online-threat
I'll simply observe thatAnnaH|1474132172|4077753 said:
* the initiating post does not express concern that the t-shirts are that of "a controversial organization"; JoCoJen began the thread after reading the FoxNews account because at an age when kids should be learning ABCs, addition/subtraction, and how to get along with others on the playground regardless of color ... instead, we're going to let young non-black children READ that their life doesn't matter because their teacher's shirt excludes them. Way to teach kids NOT to see color by highlighting that very thing. (caps and boldface in original post)
and
* there is just 1 post in this long thread to date -- Arcadian's thoughtful post, on pg. 4, illuminating her perspectives and experiences growing up in a housing project
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-4#post-4076970#p4076970']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/seattle-elementary-teachers-to-wear-blm-t-shirts-in-class.225538/page-4#post-4076970#p4076970[/URL]
-- that references the BLM organization (and why she, a black woman, does not agree with everything that the group and its members are doing, and not doing).
P.S. Don't think a decision was made to "change the teacher T-shirts from BLM." KOMO, channel 4 (Seattle's ABC station) -- who aired last night the most comprehensive coverage of the day itself at JMES I've seen -- reported that "Teachers" (on-the-scene reporter)/"many teachers" (shorter, print variation of broadcast) wore the shirts & the video footage of JMES yesterday shows teachers at the doorway of the school in the shirts: a tree encircled by the words Black Lives Matter We Stand Together with John Muir Elementary underneath.
http://komonews.com/news/local/police-patrol-seattle-school-after-diversity-event-sparks-online-threat
Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
I was teaching when 9/11 happened. Band director. Many of my fellow teachers were wearing patriotic clothing in the weeks to follow. I'm not demonstrative like that but one of my students brought me a gift---it was a Swarovski pin, heart shaped with blue, white and red crystals in a flag pattern. I wore that pin immediately and afterwards and it gave the student who gave it to me some comfort and possibly the other kids (quite a few noticed it). So students do notice what their teachers wear and what is espoused by it. I still have that pin and I remember the idealism of the student who gave it to me.
I was teaching when 9/11 happened. Band director. Many of my fellow teachers were wearing patriotic clothing in the weeks to follow. I'm not demonstrative like that but one of my students brought me a gift---it was a Swarovski pin, heart shaped with blue, white and red crystals in a flag pattern. I wore that pin immediately and afterwards and it gave the student who gave it to me some comfort and possibly the other kids (quite a few noticed it). So students do notice what their teachers wear and what is espoused by it. I still have that pin and I remember the idealism of the student who gave it to me.
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
I haven't read any of the other posts, but I thought I'd voice my personal opinion on the whole BLM thing:
Because someone says black lives matter, it does not mean it excludes your life. To think that is simply self-centered. (directed at no one in particular) These days people seem to want to make everything about themselves. It is just not, unless you are black.
I personally applaud the black lives movement, because if I were black, I'd be pretty pissed off right now. Apparently, a cop can just shoot you even if you are in the back of a patrol car. If this happened to a white guy, would that make it "matter" to you?
I am not anti-cop. I think they're great and without them there would be anarchy. I am friendly with them, but that's because at no point do they give, a middle-aged white lady, the stink eye. I do think many cities offer poor cop training. Many cops do not seem to understand the concept of calming a situation, and just seem to make things worse. Adrenalin high? I think guns are a bit silly and arcane. Where are all those tazers, and other things to "bring down a suspect" without killing them? Why are cops only trained to shoot the head and body (those gun range targets), trained to kill? How about something to shoot a leg?
If you want to see another perspective on it, watch the episode of "Blackish" that deals with shootings. Black people are afraid for their children, and I don't blame them. I would be too.
But that's because I have empathy. Try it; imagine that the country was 90% black. That more whites were in jail than non-whites. Imagine being treated with suspicion because you're driving a nice car, or shopping with a big bag, or talking loudly and laughing on the street. Your life would be under a cloud of suspicion and distrust, no matter how hard you worked or what you achieved. Imagine it. Now imagine that another white, like you, was shot while sitting in the back of a patrol car. I'd be pretty pissed off. And if they played that national anthem, I wouldn't stand up either. And if someone plays it near me in the next year or so, I will sit down, even though I'm white. Because frankly, they have a point.
In a neighboring town, 8 black people died in the past year, including a young 8-year-old boy caught in the crossfire of who knows what. They have no idea who killed whom. There appears to be no one investigating anything. Meanwhile, a nice white lady was shot and killed and there was a special task force with FBI assigned to the case They found that killer pretty quick. Meanwhile the black community can only wait in fear for the next thing to happen. And the sheriff just got reelected. With facts like that, I think America may need reminding that "Black lives matter too".
I haven't read any of the other posts, but I thought I'd voice my personal opinion on the whole BLM thing:
Because someone says black lives matter, it does not mean it excludes your life. To think that is simply self-centered. (directed at no one in particular) These days people seem to want to make everything about themselves. It is just not, unless you are black.
I personally applaud the black lives movement, because if I were black, I'd be pretty pissed off right now. Apparently, a cop can just shoot you even if you are in the back of a patrol car. If this happened to a white guy, would that make it "matter" to you?
I am not anti-cop. I think they're great and without them there would be anarchy. I am friendly with them, but that's because at no point do they give, a middle-aged white lady, the stink eye. I do think many cities offer poor cop training. Many cops do not seem to understand the concept of calming a situation, and just seem to make things worse. Adrenalin high? I think guns are a bit silly and arcane. Where are all those tazers, and other things to "bring down a suspect" without killing them? Why are cops only trained to shoot the head and body (those gun range targets), trained to kill? How about something to shoot a leg?
If you want to see another perspective on it, watch the episode of "Blackish" that deals with shootings. Black people are afraid for their children, and I don't blame them. I would be too.
But that's because I have empathy. Try it; imagine that the country was 90% black. That more whites were in jail than non-whites. Imagine being treated with suspicion because you're driving a nice car, or shopping with a big bag, or talking loudly and laughing on the street. Your life would be under a cloud of suspicion and distrust, no matter how hard you worked or what you achieved. Imagine it. Now imagine that another white, like you, was shot while sitting in the back of a patrol car. I'd be pretty pissed off. And if they played that national anthem, I wouldn't stand up either. And if someone plays it near me in the next year or so, I will sit down, even though I'm white. Because frankly, they have a point.
In a neighboring town, 8 black people died in the past year, including a young 8-year-old boy caught in the crossfire of who knows what. They have no idea who killed whom. There appears to be no one investigating anything. Meanwhile, a nice white lady was shot and killed and there was a special task force with FBI assigned to the case They found that killer pretty quick. Meanwhile the black community can only wait in fear for the next thing to happen. And the sheriff just got reelected. With facts like that, I think America may need reminding that "Black lives matter too".
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
maybe blacks are being profiled b/c of statistics?
https://infogr.am/Black-34991937313
maybe blacks are being profiled b/c of statistics?
https://infogr.am/Black-34991937313
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Yes, you keep your head right down there as we had two very possible terrorist attacks in New Jersey and New York and why you would not want to make an elementary school another possible target.
See if you can understand this. No one here disagrees with the message. We disagree with the venue and keeping these children safe.
And we disagree with the method as there are far better ways to empower our youth.
Yes, you keep your head right down there as we had two very possible terrorist attacks in New Jersey and New York and why you would not want to make an elementary school another possible target.
See if you can understand this. No one here disagrees with the message. We disagree with the venue and keeping these children safe.
And we disagree with the method as there are far better ways to empower our youth.
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
Longtime civil rights activist analyzes BLM.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/24/i-was-a-civil-rights-activist-in-the-1960s-but-its-hard-for-me-to-get-behind-black-lives-matter/?utm_term=.0af3dbe7f1aa
Does anyone think she's a racist, ignorant, uncaring, with her head in the sand?
It continues to amaze me how intolerant some of the so called tolerant left can be.
Longtime civil rights activist analyzes BLM.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/24/i-was-a-civil-rights-activist-in-the-1960s-but-its-hard-for-me-to-get-behind-black-lives-matter/?utm_term=.0af3dbe7f1aa
Does anyone think she's a racist, ignorant, uncaring, with her head in the sand?
It continues to amaze me how intolerant some of the so called tolerant left can be.
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It continues to amaze me how intolerant some of the so called tolerant left can be.
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They are intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them.
I agree with the article. I absolutely agree with the message. But not the methods used to deliver it.
And as far as this new generation, pride and self-respect is definitely lacking in many of them.
It continues to amaze me how intolerant some of the so called tolerant left can be.
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They are intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them.
I agree with the article. I absolutely agree with the message. But not the methods used to deliver it.
And as far as this new generation, pride and self-respect is definitely lacking in many of them.
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I think she is just old, a problem that has a LOT of Americans in a spin, they want the 'old' America, the MLK America, the Ronnie Reagan America, both gone gone gone.
this shows her headset to me:
Trained in the tradition of Martin Luther King Jr., we were nonviolent activists who won hearts by conveying respectability and changed laws by delivering a message of love and unity. BLM seems intent on rejecting our proven methods. This movement is ignoring what our history has taught.
maybe just maybe younger black Americans found they got no-where.. a lot has changed and some things are worse. Every generation calls out the generation before, dig it? ha! my generation.. I found every little and big thing apalling about the greatest generation, they drank, they smoked, they lied, cheated, they judged by money and clothes and color, AND religion, sooo things did change in my generation to an extent.. I don't know how intolerant the left is but I DO know the right is.. terribly so.
AnnaH|1474224956|4078115 said:
I think she is just old, a problem that has a LOT of Americans in a spin, they want the 'old' America, the MLK America, the Ronnie Reagan America, both gone gone gone.
this shows her headset to me:
Trained in the tradition of Martin Luther King Jr., we were nonviolent activists who won hearts by conveying respectability and changed laws by delivering a message of love and unity. BLM seems intent on rejecting our proven methods. This movement is ignoring what our history has taught.
maybe just maybe younger black Americans found they got no-where.. a lot has changed and some things are worse. Every generation calls out the generation before, dig it? ha! my generation.. I found every little and big thing apalling about the greatest generation, they drank, they smoked, they lied, cheated, they judged by money and clothes and color, AND religion, sooo things did change in my generation to an extent.. I don't know how intolerant the left is but I DO know the right is.. terribly so.
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So therefore you are intolerant, instead of judging them, finding fault with them, listen to them, what are they upset about? what is fact?
The LEFT, the famous left, intolerant because they do not support the right? meh.
They aren't my generation, they aren't the slackers, they are the millenial generation, they base their feeling, thoughts, ideas, beliefs on what they have seen, felt and know.. their experiences are different than my boomer generation, for me, dang if I didn't just about die when I saw black people being sprayed with fire houses!!! WTF... (being 17 and all).. that was what was going down (again I am a boomer), best of my knowledge, whites know better today than to wily nily kill blacks in the street. ALL lives matter, black lives matter is not exclusionary to this, unfortunately, it's easier to get away with killing a black life. I never want to read again about a cop dying, but I will, there are crazies out there.
from the BBC, not american, therefore no side taken (other than they are more likely to ban guns
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36826297
this is very interesting and a good read: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/09/are-black-or-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/
I must say though, it's nice to see a black lady (a bit older than me but I'm getting there by the minute) who is not angry and feels sadness and anger at the younger black generation, that! shows me that blacks have come a ways since my youth.
ruby59|1474225830|4078120 said:
So therefore you are intolerant, instead of judging them, finding fault with them, listen to them, what are they upset about? what is fact?
The LEFT, the famous left, intolerant because they do not support the right? meh.
They aren't my generation, they aren't the slackers, they are the millenial generation, they base their feeling, thoughts, ideas, beliefs on what they have seen, felt and know.. their experiences are different than my boomer generation, for me, dang if I didn't just about die when I saw black people being sprayed with fire houses!!! WTF... (being 17 and all).. that was what was going down (again I am a boomer), best of my knowledge, whites know better today than to wily nily kill blacks in the street. ALL lives matter, black lives matter is not exclusionary to this, unfortunately, it's easier to get away with killing a black life. I never want to read again about a cop dying, but I will, there are crazies out there.
from the BBC, not american, therefore no side taken (other than they are more likely to ban guns
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36826297this is very interesting and a good read: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/09/are-black-or-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/
I must say though, it's nice to see a black lady (a bit older than me but I'm getting there by the minute) who is not angry and feels sadness and anger at the younger black generation, that! shows me that blacks have come a ways since my youth.
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So therefore you are intolerant, instead of judging them, finding fault with them, listen to them, what are they upset about? what is fact?
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It is in response to the above ostrich post that luckily young people are our future.
IMO what I am seeing out there, that is nothing to crow about.
So therefore you are intolerant, instead of judging them, finding fault with them, listen to them, what are they upset about? what is fact?
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It is in response to the above ostrich post that luckily young people are our future.
IMO what I am seeing out there, that is nothing to crow about.
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Do you ever speak without making stereotypes? I don't make assumptions about the right. I have plenty of opinions about you though.
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How old are you?
I have lived in the real world for multiple decades. I saw then, I see now. I have seen enough to make comparisons.
As far as your opinion about me, I could not care less.
Do you ever speak without making stereotypes? I don't make assumptions about the right. I have plenty of opinions about you though.
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How old are you?
I have lived in the real world for multiple decades. I saw then, I see now. I have seen enough to make comparisons.
As far as your opinion about me, I could not care less.
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What exactly is your problem with youth? They see the world differently? You're generation's grip on us culture and politics is waning? You feel they should see the world the same way you do?
Tell me, did you feel the same as your grandfather? You very well may have. But society changes, and blaming the youth of America is futile. Change is inevitable.
Feel free to fight against the current of change. But one who fails to adapt has their own fault for being unhappy.
ruby59|1474239803|4078179 said:
What exactly is your problem with youth? They see the world differently? You're generation's grip on us culture and politics is waning? You feel they should see the world the same way you do?
Tell me, did you feel the same as your grandfather? You very well may have. But society changes, and blaming the youth of America is futile. Change is inevitable.
Feel free to fight against the current of change. But one who fails to adapt has their own fault for being unhappy.
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
What exactly is your problem with youth? They see the world differently? You're generation's grip on us culture and politics is waning? You feel they should see the world the same way you do?
Tell me, did you feel the same as your grandfather? You very well may have. But society changes, and blaming the youth of America is futile. Change is inevitable.
Feel free to fight against the current of change. But one who fails to adapt has their own fault for being unhappy.
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Not sure how this topic turned around to being about me. My problem about youth is response to the other poster's comment about older people and that she was glad our time is passing.
As far as my grandfather, whatever I thought, in my generation we did not spew the first thing that came to mind, followed by the second. We had respect for other people.
Of course change is inevitable, but I am still alive and exist in this world. So I still have a say of how I feel about it.
As far as not adapting or being unhappy, not a clue how you got there, but I can assure you it is the farthest from the truth.
One thing my generation did learn was to adapt and survive, quite nicely.
What exactly is your problem with youth? They see the world differently? You're generation's grip on us culture and politics is waning? You feel they should see the world the same way you do?
Tell me, did you feel the same as your grandfather? You very well may have. But society changes, and blaming the youth of America is futile. Change is inevitable.
Feel free to fight against the current of change. But one who fails to adapt has their own fault for being unhappy.
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Not sure how this topic turned around to being about me. My problem about youth is response to the other poster's comment about older people and that she was glad our time is passing.
As far as my grandfather, whatever I thought, in my generation we did not spew the first thing that came to mind, followed by the second. We had respect for other people.
Of course change is inevitable, but I am still alive and exist in this world. So I still have a say of how I feel about it.
As far as not adapting or being unhappy, not a clue how you got there, but I can assure you it is the farthest from the truth.
One thing my generation did learn was to adapt and survive, quite nicely.
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
Not saying this about you specifically ruby, more so the folks I referenced in my post. There is actually a tremendous amount of DISrespect that comes from older generations. I'd much rather take a younger populace who believe in equality for all genders, races and sexual identities, rather than people who want to stick to an outdated religious book and selfish ME mentality. But of course, to each their own.
Except blacks, gays, trans, liberals, muslims, Hilary supporters, etc?ruby59|1474242159|4078186 said:
Not saying this about you specifically ruby, more so the folks I referenced in my post. There is actually a tremendous amount of DISrespect that comes from older generations. I'd much rather take a younger populace who believe in equality for all genders, races and sexual identities, rather than people who want to stick to an outdated religious book and selfish ME mentality. But of course, to each their own.
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
Except blacks, gays, trans, liberals, muslims, Hilary supporters, etc?
Not saying this about you specifically ruby, more so the folks I referenced in my post. There is actually a tremendous amount of DISrespect that comes from older generations. I'd much rather take a younger populace who believe in equality for all genders, races and sexual identities, rather than people who want to stick to an outdated religious book and selfish ME mentality. But of course, to each their own.
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I was brought up in the generation of mind your own business, and who are you to judge anyone else. You know stones at a glass house.
I am a Jew married to a Catholic who seeks comfort from G-d in bad times. - not to judge anyone else.
As far as the "me" mentality, let us be honest. This is the "me" generation. Ever driven somewhere to only have a car nearly side swipe you to get in front of you so he can get there a little quicker.
Ever heard a bunch of high schoolers talk and wonder if they have a sense about anyone else's feelings?
Ever be on a bus, and an able bodied young man will sit there, letting the very pregnant woman stand?
Ever walk behind someone while he is yapping on his phone oblivious to anyone else, or simply could not care less who he is disturbing? Or who check their phones constantly during a movie, with the light shining in your face.
Selfish "me" mentality, yes I see it every day but not by people my age.
Except blacks, gays, trans, liberals, muslims, Hilary supporters, etc?
Not saying this about you specifically ruby, more so the folks I referenced in my post. There is actually a tremendous amount of DISrespect that comes from older generations. I'd much rather take a younger populace who believe in equality for all genders, races and sexual identities, rather than people who want to stick to an outdated religious book and selfish ME mentality. But of course, to each their own.
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I was brought up in the generation of mind your own business, and who are you to judge anyone else. You know stones at a glass house.
I am a Jew married to a Catholic who seeks comfort from G-d in bad times. - not to judge anyone else.
As far as the "me" mentality, let us be honest. This is the "me" generation. Ever driven somewhere to only have a car nearly side swipe you to get in front of you so he can get there a little quicker.
Ever heard a bunch of high schoolers talk and wonder if they have a sense about anyone else's feelings?
Ever be on a bus, and an able bodied young man will sit there, letting the very pregnant woman stand?
Ever walk behind someone while he is yapping on his phone oblivious to anyone else, or simply could not care less who he is disturbing? Or who check their phones constantly during a movie, with the light shining in your face.
Selfish "me" mentality, yes I see it every day but not by people my age.
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
Obviously you're still alive. I didn't assume this was ghost writing.
But this generation can handle their social progress their way. Tney don't have to do it your way.
And it's funny I talk to dozens if not 100 people a day. And the rudest people I speak with on a daily basis are consistently not in the "me " generation as you call it. But then again I dont expect you to believe that. You seem to have a firm grasp of how it is and I don't think others experiences woulduxh change your view. That is your right.
Obviously you're still alive. I didn't assume this was ghost writing.
But this generation can handle their social progress their way. Tney don't have to do it your way.
And it's funny I talk to dozens if not 100 people a day. And the rudest people I speak with on a daily basis are consistently not in the "me " generation as you call it. But then again I dont expect you to believe that. You seem to have a firm grasp of how it is and I don't think others experiences woulduxh change your view. That is your right.
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
And the rudest people I speak with on a daily basis are consistently not in the "me " generation as you call it. But then again I dont expect you to believe that. You seem to have a firm grasp of how it is and I don't think others experiences woulduxh change your view. That is your right.
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You seem to have a firm grasp by telling me who you feel the rudest people are? Would other experiences change your view? And do you believe what I m telling you about my encounters?
It cuts both ways.
And the rudest people I speak with on a daily basis are consistently not in the "me " generation as you call it. But then again I dont expect you to believe that. You seem to have a firm grasp of how it is and I don't think others experiences woulduxh change your view. That is your right.
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You seem to have a firm grasp by telling me who you feel the rudest people are? Would other experiences change your view? And do you believe what I m telling you about my encounters?
It cuts both ways.
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
Yes someone with a compelling argument could swayy opinion.
You're isn't compelling
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Someone could say the same about yours.
But it is your opinion, and that is alone why I would respect it.
And mine is my own.
Yes someone with a compelling argument could swayy opinion.
You're isn't compelling
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Someone could say the same about yours.
But it is your opinion, and that is alone why I would respect it.
And mine is my own.
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Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas
Anyways - I see your point in a me generation. However, who are the people who want to cut social programs? Who have LITERALLY said in this very thread that people should just do shit themselves - not to let systemic racism get them down. Why should you have to help them? People who judge others based on what they buy with their food stamps. Why was gay marriage only made legal (in your country at least) a few years ago? A lot of older people are firmly planted in the status quo and don't want things to change or be better for others.
eta - also, when I post a link directly related to what someone says, and they don't bother reading it and try to claim ignorance (whilst using the word incorrectly
). Ignorance is not innocence. This is why I posted the head in the sand photo. So many people (on this thread) refuse to learn new things, they disagree with it AND THATS THAT.
I really wish you would just quote properly lol. Makes this more confusing!ruby59|1474243677|4078190 said:
Anyways - I see your point in a me generation. However, who are the people who want to cut social programs? Who have LITERALLY said in this very thread that people should just do shit themselves - not to let systemic racism get them down. Why should you have to help them? People who judge others based on what they buy with their food stamps. Why was gay marriage only made legal (in your country at least) a few years ago? A lot of older people are firmly planted in the status quo and don't want things to change or be better for others.
eta - also, when I post a link directly related to what someone says, and they don't bother reading it and try to claim ignorance (whilst using the word incorrectly
). Ignorance is not innocence. This is why I posted the head in the sand photo. So many people (on this thread) refuse to learn new things, they disagree with it AND THATS THAT.
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