Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in class

[the_mother_thing]

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Do you understand the meaning of ignorant? Did you even read the link I posted? It seems like you are ignorant - aka lacking knowledge - of this term and what it means.

Of course I know what ignorant means; but I use it in place of rude, inappropriate, etc. as well.

It's how I was raised. Don't judge!

 

[maccers]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

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[the_mother_thing]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

This doesn't make sense.

The meaning is extremely important in order to know if it's racially divisive or not. And did you notice that the shirt also says "We Stand Together"? What's divisive about that?

YOU are choosing to believe that it's divisive. In spite of what people have presented to you about the BLM movement and what white privilege is.

I'm saying on its own (the slogan), it's perceivable as racially divisive. I am not saying I personally AM offended by it; however, if you cannot wear (for example) a "white lives matter" shirt to school, then there is the appearance of disparate treatment (I believe is the legal term, though usually referenced in HR law).

 

[kenny]

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Equality?
Hmmm.

Blacks and whites do not have equal history.
History affects who and how we are today.

Google slavery.

 

[AnnaH]

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I don't understand why a blm shirt is considered the best or only method to teach kindness and fairness to small children in public school.
There is no reason to say anyone in this discussion is racist. We all want equality and unity, and sometimes compromise is needed in choosing the best methods to achieve those common goals. Appropriate methods vary between age groups, for example.

 

[the_mother_thing]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

Equality?
Hmmm.

Blacks and whites do not have equal history.
History affects who and how we are today.

Google slavery.

If you let it; I don't believe it HAS to. Learn from it, of course, but you can change your future course in life.

 

[Niel]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

Equality?
Hmmm.

Blacks and whites do not have equal history.
History affects who and how we are today.

Google slavery.

If you let it; I don't believe it HAS to. Learn from it, of course, but you can change your future course in life.

So you don't believe in the concept of systemic racism?

 

[ruby59]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

Says you. An elementary school aged black child who has been told "The police aren't going to help you if you are in trouble" *might* feel differently.

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Who told the elementary school child that? A police officer or a family member using it as an excuse?

 

[ruby59]

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If my kids went to this school I'd go in and work with the teachers to try and help my little white boys that this isn't what we want for our future, black kids shot in the back. I commend this school.
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The place for him to learn this is in the home with you and your spouse setting a good example for him.

 

[ruby59]

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If you let it; I don't believe it HAS to. Learn from it, of course, but you can change your future course in life.
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Exactly. How long can this be used as a crutch or an excuse?

 

[Dancing Fire]

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As a minority Asian growing up in this country I have never felt threatened by white cops. I have been living in the same town for the past 50 yrs. Maybe it would have been different had I grew up in small town USA with 90% whites. ..IDK..

 

[Niel]

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As a minority Asian growing up in this country I have never felt threatened by white cops. I have been living in the same town for the past 50 yrs. Maybe it would have been different had I grew up in small town USA with 90% whites. ..IDK..

Different cultures experience racism differently.

I don't claim to understand the issues facing the Asian community. But I have seen articles and discussions regarding an issue of women sexualization and the opposite for males in the Asian community. What would your opinion be of the video below?

https://youtu.be/HS2jGfW5aOE

 

[arkieb1]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

Says you. An elementary school aged black child who has been told "The police aren't going to help you if you are in trouble" *might* feel differently.

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Who told the elementary school child that? A police officer or a family member using it as an excuse?

I think it's incorrect to assume anyone HAS to tell them that, if you grow up in an environment where culturally everyone fears police, or hospitals or certain places then you don't have to be "told" anything, it is ingrained in your belief systems from an early age.

I'm sorry some of you feel scared by, less secure, or that it somehow detracts from your rights when teachers wear these shirts, I am sure this was and is not their aim.

I get the impression if they changed the text to say black lives matter too or all lives matter then most of you would be happy. The thing is the white teachers wearing those shirts probably interpret them exactly that way, they are wearing them to say to the kids black lives matter too, not more than x or y.

And for the record they do teach elementary school children about the Holocaust, I still think assuming most teachers cannot navigate topics like the Holocaust and these shirts in a sensible fashion is not giving teachers enough credit. Teachers hear a lot more about home life, things like Dad beating up Mum, parents being drunk all the time, Mum bring home men and a whole range of other hair raising non politically correct topics the kids bring up themselves, that they deal with sensitively and compassionately on a day to day basis, so the shirts, are a small drop in that ocean.

 

[ruby59]

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When they teach the holocaust do they dress up as Nazis to ostracize the students of German heritage?

 

[ruby59]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

Teachers hear a lot more about home life, things like Dad beating up Mum, parents being drunk all the time, Mum bring home men and a whole range of other hair raising non politically correct topics the kids bring up themselves, that they deal with sensitively and compassionately on a day to day basis, so the shirts, are a small drop in that ocean.
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Yes, and they most likely speak with that child privately. I am sure they do not bring it up before a bunch of elementary grade students.

 

[arkieb1]

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When they teach the holocaust do they dress up as Nazis to ostracize the students of German heritage?

How is wearing BLM shirts in schools ostracising anyone? You feel somehow ostracised by it? I used to teach a 13 year old kid that purposely shaved his head, and drew or had swastikas on all of his school books, pencil case (they wear uniforms in schools here) and had swastika tattoos amateurly carved into his body and he wrote stories about shooting black, jewish and Asian people so if the shirts had made some sort of impact on him in elementary school or people like him, that is probably their aim.

 

[arkieb1]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

Teachers hear a lot more about home life, things like Dad beating up Mum, parents being drunk all the time, Mum bring home men and a whole range of other hair raising non politically correct topics the kids bring up themselves, that they deal with sensitively and compassionately on a day to day basis, so the shirts, are a small drop in that ocean.
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Yes, and they most likely speak with that child privately. I am sure they do not bring it up before a bunch of elementary grade students.

I can assure you I've traded stories with elementary teachers I know that have had the students themselves bring up a whole range of these type of topics in front of the whole class. A few of you assume the teachers and kids are incapable of conducting a sensible discussion of BLM shirts, and I and many others don't agree with you.

 

[ruby59]

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How is wearing BLM shirts in schools ostracising anyone? You feel somehow ostracised by it? I
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Instead of asking me, read the articles about how it is already causing problems at that school. So obviously those parents are having issues with it.

 

[arkieb1]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

How is wearing BLM shirts in schools ostracising anyone? You feel somehow ostracised by it? I
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Instead of asking me, read the articles about how it is already causing problems at that school. So obviously those parents are having issues with it.

I read it and thought it would probably be a tiny group of bloody minded parents not the kids that are creating the drama, just as they do with a lot of decisions and certain topics some parents cannot seem to deal with like adults, that go on in any school.

 

[Tekate]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

If my kids went to this school I'd go in and work with the teachers to try and help my little white boys that this isn't what we want for our future, black kids shot in the back. I commend this school.
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The place for him to learn this is in the home with you and your spouse setting a good example for him.

Which is where religion should be also. My husband and I did our best to raise our sons without hate, but my sons also knew their mother was liberal and I would be there for any questions they had.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

As a minority Asian growing up in this country I have never felt threatened by white cops. I have been living in the same town for the past 50 yrs. Maybe it would have been different had I grew up in small town USA with 90% whites. ..IDK..

Different cultures experience racism differently.

I don't claim to understand the issues facing the Asian community. But I have seen articles and discussions regarding an issue of women sexualization and the opposite for males in the Asian community. What would your opinion be of the video below?

https://youtu.be/HS2jGfW5aOE

No opinion b/c I don't have many dating experiences ...

 

[ruby59]

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I can assure you I've traded stories with elementary teachers I know that have had the students themselves bring up a whole range of these type of topics in front of the whole class.
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I know you are from another country. Is it Australia?

But as the parent of 3 and the grandparent of an elementary school child, I do not want my children hearing about Suzie's mother being a prostitute or her father cooking meth. Totally inappropriate subjects.

If a fellow grade school student started to talk about it, I would hope she would be escorted out and brought to a counselor. Please do not subject my little one to material that is not age appropriate. It is my job to introduce him to the world first when I feel he is ready.

 

[ruby59]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

I read it and thought it would probably be a tiny group of bloody minded parents not the kids that are creating the drama, just as they do with a lot of decisions and certain topics some parents cannot seem to deal with like adults, that go on in any school.
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Parents are entitled to raise their kids as they see fit.

And they should have control over what their kids are exposed to?

 

[arkieb1]

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I can assure you I've traded stories with elementary teachers I know that have had the students themselves bring up a whole range of these type of topics in front of the whole class.
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I know you are from another country. Is it Australia?

But as the parent of 3 and the grandparent of an elementary school child, I do not want my children hearing about Suzie's mother being a prostitute or her father cooking meth. Totally inappropriate subjects.

If a fellow grade school student started to talk about it, I would hope she would be escorted out and brought to a counselor. Please do not subject my little one to material that is not age appropriate. It is my job to introduce him to the world first when I feel he is ready.

Of course they do that irrespective of what country. You can't stop your kids being exposed to things kids say and do out in the playground, having said that.

 

[arkieb1]

Re: Seattle Elementary teachers to wear BLM t-shirts in clas

I read it and thought it would probably be a tiny group of bloody minded parents not the kids that are creating the drama, just as they do with a lot of decisions and certain topics some parents cannot seem to deal with like adults, that go on in any school.
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Parents are entitled to raise their kids as they see fit.

And they should have control over what their kids are exposed to?

Well that is great in theory, but the world rarely works that way in practise. I guess both having been and knowing a heap of teachers in a number of different countries and being a protective parent too, I have a more pragmatic way of thinking about it all. Knowing what I have heard and seen the BLM t-shirts should be the least of your worries. And before you say I don't get it because I am an Aussie, I've been in US schools too.

 

[Dancing Fire]

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I have a "Asian lives matter" T shirt...

Not all Asians feel the way you do. http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/06/racism-against-asian-americans/

If this were 1942 you might feel a little differently about what lives matter.

This was WWII...let bygones be bygones. Heck, Maybe China should invade Japan to revenge all the Chinese lives they took during WWII?

 

[ruby59]

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his was WWII...let bygones be bygones. Heck, Maybe China should invade Japan to revenge all the Chinese lives they took during WWII?
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I lost family in the gas chambers. Does that mean I should hate all German people. And blame those that were born long after World War II ended.

 

[mary poppins]

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his was WWII...let bygones be bygones. Heck, Maybe China should invade Japan to revenge all the Chinese lives they took during WWII?
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I lost family in the gas chambers. Does that mean I should hate all German people. And blame those that were born long after World War II ended.

I lost many family members in the Holocaust. Not only is using the Holocaust a poor example because it is not comparable to BLM, but you are oversimplifying both situations.

 

[OreoRosies86]

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Says you. An elementary school aged black child who has been told "The police aren't going to help you if you are in trouble" *might* feel differently.

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Who told the elementary school child that? A police officer or a family member using it as an excuse?

I've skimmed through the thread since I've been at work. My viewpoint hasn't changed and I will not be spoon feeding any more rational discussion to those who are only going to repeat the same running dialogue. I will however note racism when I see it. And I'm not sorry for that at all. Sometimes the truth hurts.

 

[momhappy]

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If this thread is any example of how the t-shirt day might go down, I'd say my safety concerns are justified. Some of the dialogue here has been fairly heated, so how could one possibly think that it would go any better on that day of school? It's irresponsible (and risky) to put this on those kids and I feel bad for them There are plenty of learning opportunities and this isn't one of them.