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I am interested in a particular diamond (J color, SI1, fancy cut, GIA cert.) which is currently at a diamond cutter. I'm sure any vendor could obtain this diamond. I had contacted 5 vendors about the brilliance of the diamond, the color, if it was eye clean and about the bow tie. All the vendors said it faces up pretty white for a J color, minimal bow tie effect, great brilliance, 100% eye clean and they would recommend the diamond for a ring. All but one. This one vendor said the diamond has an inclusion viewable to the naked eye, yellowish tint and suggested that I increase my budget to get an I color. Mind you, it is the same diamond, same GIA number and same specs and all sponsors or vendors of pricescope. I can't see the diamond in real life until I order it to have it shipped to me so that's why I contacted so many vendors because I'm paranoid like that. So what is your opinion on this situation? Should I go with the 4 other vendor opinions or is this some kind of sales tactic? Thanks so much
 
If this is a pear, I'm inclined to believe the last vendor, at least on the color. Color is very visible in a pear, especially the tip.

As far as the inclusion goes,everyone's eye site is different, so it's no surprise that someone can see the inclusion in an SI1.

The questions really is, can you see the color and/or the inclusion and would it bother you? That's something you can't answer until you see the stone.
 
I think the first mistake was contacting five vendors,it only serves to complicate things. If you ask five people their opinions on anything you will likely get five different answers, so the fact that four actually agreed is telling in my opinion. Did all five vendors call this stone in and view it for you? I think your best bet at this point..and would have been my advice from the beginning is to choose one or two vendors whom you trust and feel confident in. I think this will make the entire experience less stressful and more enjoyable for you.

Be sure to tell your vendor what eye clean means to you and how you feel about color. A good vendor will listen to you and offer insight and advice.
 
Christina...|1390502509|3599585 said:
I think the first mistake was contacting five vendors,it only serves to complicate things. If you ask five people their opinions on anything you will likely get five different answers, so the fact that four actually agreed is telling in my opinion. Did all five vendors call this stone in and view it for you? I think your best bet at this point..and would have been my advice from the beginning is to choose one or two vendors whom you trust and feel confident in. I think this will make the entire experience less stressful and more enjoyable for you.

Be sure to tell your vendor what eye clean means to you and how you feel about color. A good vendor will listen to you and offer insight and advice.

IDon't mean to be rude but I don't get what you mean when you say "four vendors actually agreed is telling in my opinion?"
 
flippingdiamonds|1390502813|3599592 said:
Christina...|1390502509|3599585 said:
I think the first mistake was contacting five vendors,it only serves to complicate things. If you ask five people their opinions on anything you will likely get five different answers, so the fact that four actually agreed is telling in my opinion. Did all five vendors call this stone in and view it for you? I think your best bet at this point..and would have been my advice from the beginning is to choose one or two vendors whom you trust and feel confident in. I think this will make the entire experience less stressful and more enjoyable for you.

Be sure to tell your vendor what eye clean means to you and how you feel about color. A good vendor will listen to you and offer insight and advice.

IDon't mean to be rude but I don't get what you mean when you say "four vendors actually agreed is telling in my opinion?"

Sorry. I meant that if I had contacted five different vendors,(assuming that all of them personally viewed the stone) and FOUR of them came to the same conclusion...that the stone was eye clean and faced up white for it's color grade, then I would feel comfortable coming to the conclusion that stone was very likely eye clean and faced up at least as white as it's color grade suggests, and would feel comfortable enough to at least order the stone to look at personally.

I suppose you could make the argument that four of the vendors didn't have your best interests at heart and simply wanted to sell you the stone, and that only one of them gave you an honest assessment. Color and clarity grading are subjective, what is eye clean to me may not be to you, what I consider to be a white face up color, may appear tinted to you. So it's reasonable that one of these vendors disagreed with the other four, however...that four all also agreed would build my confidence....assuming that I trusted them and valued their opinions, which I assume that you did or you wouldn't have contacted them at all.

Hope that helps. :))
 
Christina...|1390502509|3599585 said:
Did all five vendors call this stone in and view it for you?
This is most significant.

Diamonds listed in the web-feeds of multiple sellers are located with upstream suppliers. When one of the listing sellers gets an inquiry he will look-up the diamond on the supplier's private website and read the notes, or call the supplier and ask about it.

Those saying the same thing may be reading the same written notes, or hearing the same thing on a phone call to the supplier. That explains the mimicry... The fifth person either got different info, called the diamond in and is telling you a separate opinion, or is trying to push you in a more expensive direction.

If each of the five has actually called the diamond in to give you the assessments (which would mean many days; to allow seller 1 to call-in, then return to supplier, seller 2 to call-in, then return to supplier...etc) I'd imagine you're making FedEx or UPS very happy ;)
 
John Pollard|1390504793|3599611 said:
Christina...|1390502509|3599585 said:
Did all five vendors call this stone in and view it for you?
This is most significant.

Diamonds listed in the web-feeds of multiple sellers are located with upstream suppliers. When one of the listing sellers gets an inquiry he will look-up the diamond on the supplier's private website and read the notes, or call the supplier and ask about it.

Those saying the same thing may be reading the same written notes, or hearing the same thing on a phone call to the supplier. That explains the mimicry... The fifth person either got different info, called the diamond in and is telling you a separate opinion, or is trying to push you in a more expensive direction.

If each of the five has actually called the diamond in to give you the assessments (which would mean many days; to allow seller 1 to call-in, then return to supplier, seller 2 to call-in, then return to supplier...etc) I'd imagine you're making FedEx or UPS very happy ;)

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Which of the vendors actually had the diamond in hand?

Most likely, the stone is still with the owner/wholesaler, and with some luck, some or all of the vendors called that owner to ask about that stone. If so, by the third call, the owner knows that somebody is shopping various retailers for the same stone. So, it is likely that the stone will be sold.

In his shoes, receiving a fourth call for the same stone, I would wonder if I want the sale to go through that retailer, or through another. Factors are ease of co-operation, total level of business, speed or delay in payment, and so on. So, if I do not want that retailer to have that sale, I will give him other information. Or if I think that indirectly, I can get the consumer (you) to buy a more expensive stone, I start working towards that.

In the end, what matters is: if none of these vendors had the stone in hand, their words have little meaning.

Live long,
 
To the experts John Pollard and Paul-Antwerp.

In all honesty- do you guys really believe a J colored Pear (if this is a pear) to face up white? Without a tint? Because from what I remember when I was looking at pears, they showed color, quite a bit of it actually.

I'm just saying call it what it is.. to say it's "white for a J" really means what?

Sorry, I'm just really anal when it comes to color.

To the OP- have you looked at lower colored pears in person, have you compared them to the higher colors? If you have and you like them, that's great.
 
John Pollard|1390504793|3599611 said:
Christina...|1390502509|3599585 said:
Did all five vendors call this stone in and view it for you?
This is most significant.

Diamonds listed in the web-feeds of multiple sellers are located with upstream suppliers. When one of the listing sellers gets an inquiry he will look-up the diamond on the supplier's private website and read the notes, or call the supplier and ask about it.

Those saying the same thing may be reading the same written notes, or hearing the same thing on a phone call to the supplier. That explains the mimicry... The fifth person either got different info, called the diamond in and is telling you a separate opinion, or is trying to push you in a more expensive direction.

If each of the five has actually called the diamond in to give you the assessments (which would mean many days; to allow seller 1 to call-in, then return to supplier, seller 2 to call-in, then return to supplier...etc) I'd imagine you're making FedEx or UPS very happy ;)

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elle_chris|1390505660|3599622 said:
To the experts John Pollard and Paul-Antwerp.

In all honesty- do you guys really believe a J colored Pear (if this is a pear) to face up white? Without a tint? Because from what I remember when I was looking at pears, they showed color, quite a bit of it actually.
Hi e_c. I don't know that no-tint was inferred. White is relative. Accurately graded J will never be D white. It won't be G white. But it could be one tick from I, in which case the comment "it faces up pretty white for a J color" is honest.

I'm just saying call it what it is.. to say it's "white for a J" really means what?
I couldn't say without seeing the diamond. I agree with your observation about pears in a general sense. But specifics are riotously variable. In the millions-of-carats grading lottery there are frequent outliers, meaning this could be an I that received J at the lab. What about fluorescence? What about cut-quality. How do the point and shoulders compare to body appearance? All of these questions will get somewhat subjective answers.

Sorry, I'm just really anal when it comes to color.
Being OCD about diamond specifics is a responsible attitude, esp in the internet world. I can go through my house and look at the "white" walls in one room, the "white" tile in the kitchen and the "white" cabinets in my office and see three different things. Right now I'm looking at some creamy resume paper advertised as "white" but has notably more tint than the paper in my printer. If I'm planning to match my kitchen tile with a new fridge the description "white" or "pretty white" won't do. This is why having a clear definition, seeing photos or videos (not ultimate, but at least they're helpful) and getting clear explanations are important with internet sellers.

To the OP- have you looked at lower colored pears in person, have you compared them to the higher colors? If you have and you like them, that's great.
This is important advice, in the interest of setting your own "clear definitions." Just as important, in my opinion, is to work with a seller who's actually looking at the diamond you're considering and who will work to communicate those details accurately.
 
Ok thanks for the replies. The diamond is an oval shape. Its cut, symmetry, and polish is either excellent or very good. I've senn some Js face up whiter than others but I'm not implying that they said it was white as a colorless stone. I haven't asked if the vendors have seen the stone in person. Thanks for the replies. I see what info I need to ask for
 
I'm not sure asking questions is really going to tell you much. The stone is probably sitting in a drawer in Israel. Who knows if anyone has looked at it since the day it was polished? Even the manufacturer's private websites don't say much about the less expensive stones - often just the cert, measurements, and % off Rap, maybe a crummy picture if you're lucky. If you're running a diamond website, it's easy to tell everyone, "oh yeah, this is nice color" and "yes, it's clean". Odds are you sell the stone. And if the customer disagrees, all you lose is the cost of handling a return.
 
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