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Report from New York

Isabelle

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So it wasn't just Tiffany I visited while in the city. I also spent some time at Cartier, HW and Van Cleef. Here are my thoughts:

For sure, Cartier gives Tiffany the closest run for its money in my opinion. The artistry of their Ballerine settings was just amazing. They only sell clarity grades of VVS2 or better. Their lowest color grade is G I believe. I liked the Ballerine setting A LOT. The largest diamond they will set in that setting is 1.90 carat b/c they said it disrupts the flow of the setting otherwise. I could see that. I tried on a D, VVS1 RB diamond in that setting and it was nothing short of exquisite. Lena in the NY store is lovely. She is just the bomb. I loved her. I also saw the 1860(?) or whatever it is called. All hand set. All just lovely. LOVED the store.

Harry Winston: Can you say "pretentious"? Even the security guard was weird. I was wrapping up a phone call with a client while standing OUTSIDE OF THE STORE ON THE STREET. Once I hung up, I approached the door and the security guard opens the door and says, "Are you finished with your call now??!" I looked at him and said with as much politeness as I could muster, "Well as you can see I did not approach the store until I had finished my call. Thank you." Once inside, I was sized up to see if I belonged. I guess I passed (barely) the test, so they allowed me to meet with a consultant. The sales clerk knew absolutely nothing about diamonds. She only knew how to act like a pretentious snob. I was miserable in there. She showed me a cusion cut diamond with black inclusion poc-marks all through it. I asked her about it and she said it was the facets. Really? Okay. Maybe it was the facets, but either way I wouldn't want a diamond that had black polka dots throughout it depending on the way I turned my hand. But that's me. I was happy to leave.

Van Cleef: Well, I have to admit upfront that I have a real soft spot in my heart for this jeweler. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the artistry of their rings. The between the finger rings are just sensational. The lowest diamond color they will accept is E(!!!) and the lowest inclusion level is VVS2. Wow, talk about some white diamonds. Unfortunately, for me the settings for their erings were very strange. They seemed very "high society circa 1950." Their diamond e-ring catalog even evokes a bygone era. In the store, they were playing big band music. I literally thought I had been transported to post WWII America. I expected a woman wearing gloves and a black hat to walk in at any moment. The settings for the e-rings were chunky. Very chunky. I told the man behind the counter that my budget was around "$50,000.00" expecting that this would get me a nice selection of rings to try on. Well, it got me nothing larger than a 1 carat stone, I can tell you that. They were white. Most of them were D color, internally flawless. Not the sparkliest diamonds I have ever seen, and clearly in need of a good cleaning. All of the settings were heavy, chunky and...well... odd. They didn't look like engagement rings most of them. They looked like fashion rings. The ones that did were very heavy with large bands of platinum enrobing the diamond and baguettes thrown around. I don't know. It's probably art and I am too provincial to realize that. But if I could afford Van Cleef, I would stick to the earrings, fashion rings, bracelets and the like, focusing on the invisible settings that they perfected. I'd avoid the engagement ring, I don't care if Grace Kelly wore it or not.

Finally, (and I know I am going to be shot for this), but I didn't go down 47th street to the diamond district at all! I simply ran out of time and I wanted to do the upscale jeweler tour. I know from my friend who loves to buy diamonds that I really missed out on the experience of a lifetime. Next time I will definitely head over there.

In conclusion, I would just say that no one has the e-ring sales down in the upscale market the way Tiffany does. What an amazing store. They are just consummate professionals and I observed them treat every single customer no matter who they were or how they were dressed respectfully. Considering that some of them were dropping $4 or $5 thousand dollars on a ring (which for many of them was blowing the budget), I was just in awe of the Tiffany sales people. They just kick it up a notch and treat every sale like it really matters and no customer was given better treatment or less time based on what they were spending. Jon Omahen in the NY store is really amazing. I can't say enought about him. He's just the go to guy if you want to sit with someone who just knows everything there is to know. He's very cool and a lot of fun to talk to.

And that concludes my trip to NY's Fifth Ave. jewelers. I didn't go to Bulgari. I missed H Stern and others off Fifth. But considering I was sweeping in for a few hours, I felt like I had a good sense of everything. Anyone else done the tour? What did I get wrong? What did I get right? Would love to hear thoughts.
 
I think you're right on the mark with a lot of your comments.

Harry Winston: Can you say "pretentious"? Even the security guard was weird....I was happy to leave.
Heh. HW has always seemed a bit pretentious, and they cater to an older (and perhaps more snobby?) crowd. I think Tiffany & Co. and others have adapted and come to recognize that they need to accept and even cater to the middle and upper-middle class in modern times. HW sells to these segments of the market, but they sure as heck aren't about to admit it.

Van Cleef: Well, I have to admit upfront that I have a real soft spot in my heart for this jeweler. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the artistry of their rings. The between the finger rings are just sensational.... Unfortunately, for me the settings for their erings were very strange. They seemed very "high society circa 1950." Their diamond engagement ring catalog even evokes a bygone era. In the store, they were playing big band music. I literally thought I had been transported to post WWII America. I expected a woman wearing gloves and a black hat to walk in at any moment.
HA! Agree with all of this. Of all the jewelers you've listed, I think Van Cleef turns out the most beautifully crafted, artistic designs. Very free spirited and unique. Not the place I'd turn to for an engagement ring -- for exactly the reasons you've listed. Weird, huh? They're other jewelry pieces are amazing.

And that concludes my trip to NY's Fifth Ave. jewelers. I didn't go to Bulgari.
Shoot! Would have loved to hear your thoughts on Bvlgari. I've also never been, but think their designs are very sleek and intriguingly modern.

Any pics to share? :naughty: I'll settle for web links in a pinch!
 
black pock-mark facets that disappear as you turn the stone - kozibe? that's something I personally find very appealing, but I can see how someone else could find it distracting


the 1895 is a lovely design :))
 
Next time you're in NYC, Graff and Leviev on Madison Ave and A La Vielle Russie at 59th & 5th are well worth a visit. I have the same opinion of Van Cleef as you do.
 
blingbunny10 said:
I think you're right on the mark with a lot of your comments.

Harry Winston: Can you say "pretentious"? Even the security guard was weird....I was happy to leave.
Heh. HW has always seemed a bit pretentious, and they cater to an older (and perhaps more snobby?) crowd. I think Tiffany & Co. and others have adapted and come to recognize that they need to accept and even cater to the middle and upper-middle class in modern times. HW sells to these segments of the market, but they sure as heck aren't about to admit it.

Van Cleef: Well, I have to admit upfront that I have a real soft spot in my heart for this jeweler. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the artistry of their rings. The between the finger rings are just sensational.... Unfortunately, for me the settings for their erings were very strange. They seemed very "high society circa 1950." Their diamond engagement ring catalog even evokes a bygone era. In the store, they were playing big band music. I literally thought I had been transported to post WWII America. I expected a woman wearing gloves and a black hat to walk in at any moment.
HA! Agree with all of this. Of all the jewelers you've listed, I think Van Cleef turns out the most beautifully crafted, artistic designs. Very free spirited and unique. Not the place I'd turn to for an engagement ring -- for exactly the reasons you've listed. Weird, huh? They're other jewelry pieces are amazing.

And that concludes my trip to NY's Fifth Ave. jewelers. I didn't go to Bulgari.
Shoot! Would have loved to hear your thoughts on Bvlgari. I've also never been, but think their designs are very sleek and intriguingly modern.

Any pics to share? :naughty: I'll settle for web links in a pinch!

Thanks for your thoughts Bling Bunny. I am glad that I am not the only one with these impressions. Before leaving Houston, I spent some time at the Houston Bulgari boutique with a friend. I tried on many of their rings and I agree with you. I love their low settings and the style. But you know what was weird? I tried on a solitaire that was D IF, about 2 carats. It was SO EXPENSIVE. But I asked to see the stats on it and the girlde was "thick to very thick" . I was shocked. I expected better cut from them. But that diamond might have been a one-off. As for pics, I didn't get any in the stores. They don't allow that. Van Cleef guy did email me some pictures of other rings including some that I didn't see while I was in the store. One looked very nice. And east/west EC set in a simple band was my favorite. But unfortunately, I have no way to save and attach them as I am working off an iPad and I don't know if it can even do that. I don't think it can. I will post them when I get to a computer but that won't be for a couple more weeks. I did get a catalog from Van Cleef which I stupidly tossed in the garbage.--I should have saved it. It had all these 1950 and 1940 style pictures in it. Weird. Totally agree with you on the artistry of their other jewelry though. It's just gorgeous. :wavey:
 
yssie said:
black pock-mark facets that disappear as you turn the stone - kozibe? that's something I personally find very appealing, but I can see how someone else could find it distracting


the 1895 is a lovely design :))


I didn't know what kozibe was and so I looked it up. Is it black circles in the four corners of the cushion? That's what this was.

Yes, 1895. It is very very pretty and so classic. Love it.
 
Madam Bijoux said:
Next time you're in NYC, Graff and Leviev on Madison Ave and A La Vielle Russie at 59th & 5th are well worth a visit. I have the same opinion of Van Cleef as you do.


Thanks Madam Bijoux! I looked around for Graff, but I didn't see it in the Fifth Ave. area so I didn't get there. I have heard its really spectacular. Glad another PSer sees the Van Cleef erings the same way I do. :-)
 
wow--i feel like you "read" my mind. I agree with you across the board. HW was just a total waste of time. Graff is impressive but its ALL about the stones and really nothing artistic. Chopard is serious jewels. I would recommend Verdura for a true experience with one of the worlds great jewelers. Howver its not a 4 c's place. Its a jewelry as art sort of place--top quality but you arent going there to get a diamond. The settings however are unbelievable.
 
Thanks for the great report!
 
Isabelle, this was so much fun to read! I was in Tiffany a couple of weeks ago and was pleasantly surprised to see how many e-ring settings they were showcasing with "small" diamonds. Smart.
 
bgray said:
wow--i feel like you "read" my mind. I agree with you across the board. HW was just a total waste of time. Graff is impressive but its ALL about the stones and really nothing artistic. Chopard is serious jewels. I would recommend Verdura for a true experience with one of the worlds great jewelers. Howver its not a 4 c's place. Its a jewelry as art sort of place--top quality but you arent going there to get a diamond. The settings however are unbelievable.


Thanks bgray! I'd like to see Verdura. I think they have a store in Houston, but I've never beem in there. Thanks for the tip! I love jewelry as art. :love:
 
Lurchie said:
Isabelle, this was so much fun to read! I was in Tiffany a couple of weeks ago and was pleasantly surprised to see how many engagement ring settings they were showcasing with "small" diamonds. Smart.

Right??--Very smart.
 
marcyc said:
Thanks for the great report!


Thanks for taking the time to read it and for the positive feedback. :wavey:
 
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