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thewireman

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/110949277387?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648

Hello, does anybody think this is real or fake? I have been researching on this, from the receipt (To confirm the Tiffany's location and the "Tiffany & Co. printing")

Also to confirm the Retail Replacement Valuation gemologist's name, Anna Bogal, signed,
(Which I could confirm- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/fashion/weddings/24NIPPER.html?_r=1)

Her name is on the bottom-

"Mr. Bogal, 30, is a founder of and a principal in Red Pine Advisors, a financial-services consulting firm in Manhattan. He graduated from the State University of New York College at Geneseo and received a law degree, magna cum laude, from St. John’s University. He is the son of Anna Bogal and Andrew F. Bogal of Forest Hills Gardens, Queens. His parents both work in Manhattan at Tiffany & Company. His mother appraises stones, and his father repairs jewelry."

The Diamond Certification has the special "Stamp".

What about the bags? And the box? The color looks right?

The ebay user- Nothing fishy that I could find, checked his feedback, and as a seller. He has a Facebook and has a degree and all. Figure he should be the real deal. But not holding my breath.

Let me know. Thanks.

By the way, I did "Buy it now" BUT did not pay for it yet. The seller gave me an extended time.
 
Sure, it looks fine! You paid less than half the price of a repro Tiffany platinum setting, so you did well!
 
diamondseeker2006|1347667266|3268360 said:
Sure, it looks fine! You paid less than half the price of a repro Tiffany platinum setting, so you did well!
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I was thinking the same thing.. but since I'm no expert I was waiting to see what an expert had to say... that was a GREAT price!!!!
 
We have seen cases where a brand name setting is authentic, but the original stone has been swapped out and replaced with a lower grade stone. I'd make sure there's a return period that provides enough time for you to have the ring checked out by a qualified appraiser.
 
Thank you. Is there anything I need to do before he send this out? Like him writing a paper saying that he sold it to me? I need to take it to Tiffany's to get it resized and update the retail replacement valuation with my name. What should I NOT say to Tiffany when I'm there? Should I bring the retail replacement valuation, receipt, and the diamond certification to Tiffany's?

Thanks.
 
VRBeauty|1347670777|3268397 said:
We have seen cases where a brand name setting is authentic, but the original stone has been swapped out and replaced with a lower grade stone. I'd make sure there's a return period that provides enough time for you to have the ring checked out by a qualified appraiser.
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I see. Would I be protected under "Ebay Buyer Protection" if Tiffany said it was not authentic?

Never mind. I found it. I will be protected.

From ebay-

What happens if a buyer believes an item is not authentic?

Items that are suspected of being counterfeit are covered by the eBay Buyer Protection Policy, subject to the above and these additional terms:
Sellers and buyers must work together in good faith during the resolution process to satisfy buyer concerns that an item may not be authentic. For example, sellers should provide the buyer with appropriate documentation or other assurances that the item is authentic, if such information is available.
If the seller is not able to satisfy the buyer's concerns about the authenticity of an item, sellers agree that the buyer will typically have to return the item to the seller before getting a refund. Buyers agree that they will typically be required to return the item to the seller before getting a refund. Costs of return shipping will be paid by the buyer unless the buyer and seller agree otherwise. When buyers are not required to return the item, buyers agree to cooperate with us to ensure the proper disposal of the item as described below. Due to the unresolved dispute regarding the authenticity of the item, sellers must not later list, advertise, or offer for sale the item on any eBay site or service around the world (including our subsidiaries, joint ventures, and other members of the eBay corporate family).
Generally, buyers will not be obligated to provide third-party confirmation that an item is counterfeit to open a case. Buyers should feel free, however, to seek such written confirmation from the manufacturer whenever they suspect that an item may be counterfeit. In cases in which a buyer has written confirmation from the manufacturer that the item is counterfeit, or in any cases in which eBay requests this confirmation, the buyer must send this information directly to us. We reserve the right to accept this written confirmation directly from other reliable third parties. Buyers agree to cooperate with us to ensure the proper disposal of counterfeit items. For example, buyers may be asked to destroy (and certify that the item has been destroyed), or send the item to the manufacturer or other appropriate third party for disposal. Any costs associated with this destruction or disposal may be paid by eBay, in our sole discretion.
Covered cases that meet the above conditions and are not excluded under the eBay Buyer Protection Policy may be considered as criteria, infringement, or a violation by the seller of our prohibited and restricted items or encouraging infringement policies. As a result, we may impose sanctions on the seller, up to and including suspension of the seller's account.
 
In this case, since the seller has included the inscription number and that would be easy to check, I think you would be covered by buyer protection.
 
The Tiffany certificate looks authentic to me. I bought a Tiffany ring off E-Bay and I took it to my local Tiffany's. They were able to verify that it was an authentic Tiffany ring and they provided me with the original purchase price.
The only qualm I have about this listing would be the lack of pictures showing the hallmarks/ markings on the interior of the ring. When I went to Tiffany's, I did mention that I had acquired the ring second - hand. Another bit of good news is that the ring I purchased was eligible for the upgrade policy at Tiffany's using the original purchase price even though I was not the original buyer.
 
Rainbow3|1347672890|3268416 said:
The Tiffany certificate looks authentic to me. I bought a Tiffany ring off E-Bay and I took it to my local Tiffany's. They were able to verify that it was an authentic Tiffany ring and they provided me with the original purchase price.
The only qualm I have about this listing would be the lack of pictures showing the hallmarks/ markings on the interior of the ring. When I went to Tiffany's, I did mention that I had acquired the ring secondhand. Another bit of good news is that the ring I purchased was eligible for the upgrade policy at Tiffany's using the original purchase price even though I was not the original buyer.
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Wow. That's great to hear! So should I bring all the paperwork including the receipt to Tiffany's? (By the way, I would be going to Chicago one) When you said that you were eligible for the upgrade, what do you mean by that? Sorry, I'm new to this stuff. Thank you for your time.

Also, does anybody know the price for resizing and update the paperwork?
 
I took the original leather folder with me with all the paperwork. If you purchase a ring for at least twice the value of the purchase price of the original ring, then Tiffany's will take back the original ring and apply that purchase price towards the cost of the new ring. It is their upgrade policy that you can use once in a lifetime or that is how it was explained to me. I am not sure it always applies to the purchaser if you are not the original purchaser. But, I was told it would apply to the ring I purchased off E - Bay.
 
I don't see a thing wrong with those pictures. I think the thing to worry about is when dishonest people steal other people's legitimate pictures when they don't have that actual item. I just don't think this is one of those times, but you do have the ebay buyer protection. And I don't think anyone is going to swap out a diamond that size.

The upgrade policy is that they will allow you to trade up to another ring if it is double the price of the original ring. So say this ring was originally $2000 for example, they would allow you to trade it in for a $4000+ ring and give you credit for the original $2000. I am not sure how that works when the ring is bought second hand.
 
diamondseeker2006|1347674193|3268424 said:
I don't see a thing wrong with those pictures. I think the thing to worry about is when dishonest people steal other people's legitimate pictures when they don't have that actual item. I just don't think this is one of those times, but you do have the ebay buyer protection. And I don't think anyone is going to swap out a diamond that size.

The upgrade policy is that they will allow you to trade up to another ring if it is double the price of the original ring. So say this ring was originally $2000 for example, they would allow you to trade it in for a $4000+ ring and give you credit for the original $2000. I am not sure how that works when the ring is bought second hand.
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That's what I was thinking. It would've made more sense for them to swap out a much bigger diamond compared to this one. I have double checked with the ebay OP's pictures on Google image search and it did not find any other image besides this auction.

Is it okay to tell Tiffany that I've purchased this item on ebay? I understand that Tiffany sued ebay and didn't want to look bad when I say that. Or is it better off to say this ring was bought second hand?
 
I did not mention E - Bay. I said I purchased the ring second - hand. Really, Tiffany's was very nice ~ they checked that the inscription on the ring matched their records.
 
Great. Thank you everyone!

Oh, does anybody still know how much for resizing and update the paperwork?
 
Just want to post an another confirmation.

I e-mailed to Tiffany's in Scottsdale, AZ and asked for Eiko Kikuchi (from the receipt in the ebay pictures) and asked him if he were be able to provide me a print out of the certified details of this ring.

He sent me back and said
"Dear Mike,
Thank you for contacting Tiffany & Co. Scottsdale store. Please tell me the number stats with 0036-xxx-xxxx/x and date.
If you have any questions please call me. I am here until 6:30 pm tonight. Thank you."

So I gave him the number and the date. Next he replied back and said,
"Dear Mike,
I was able to locate the transaction. However, the purchasers name does not match. Due to our privacy policy, and the fact that we do not provide certification to any other individual than the original purchaser. I'm unfortunately not able to provide this to you.
Please call me if you have any questions."

So another solid evidence that this is a real deal.
 
Yes, I didn't think this would be a problem. Did you ask him how much the insurance valuation and sizing were? I used to know but I just don't recall it. I don't think it was cheap, though.
 
Yes, they said-
"We do have to send it to our service center to have it sized. If it is a brand new ring it will take approximately a week and if older than 6 months it will take 2-3 weeks. If the ring has been purchased in the last 6 months there is no charge to size the ring but if not then there is a service charge. The charge depends on whether or not we are sizing up or down and the metal type. Please come to the customer service department located on the second floor for the servicing. And the insurance part it just adds an additional week to the timeframe and the cost is $100."
 
Did you have any problem getting the ring resize at Tiffany even if you are not the original buyer?
Thanks!
 
Going to Tiffany's this coming Saturday. Will let you know when I get back.
 
Just got back from Tiffany's. Went to the customer service, and explained that I bought it second hand, and wanted to get it resized and update the valuation paperwork. Handed him the ring, he was inspecting it, looked at some paperwork I gave him, looked at the computer, and said, "That will be no problem". It was $170 to resize from 5.5 to 7, and $250 for paper work. Little too much, but we're talking about Tiffany and Co. engagement ring here. It will ship to my house in two-three weeks. I feel better now.
 
That's great - so glad they were able to help. Please take some new pics for us when it arrives!
 
I sure will! :D
 
Still haven't received it yet, no e-mail conformation, nothing. However, they charged my card already, only $197.00 instead of the quote they gave me, close to $500. I understand the delay is from the hurricane Sandy, but why did they only charge me $197? Tried to call them twice and of course the office is still down as of friday due to Sandy. They guaranteed me that it would be done by Oct. 30th, so what would happen from here?
 
Called this morning. Told me they have shipped the ring. They only charged me close to $200 instead of $500 because they did not do the valuation because I purchased from a third party. And I asked if there is any way to get it done and they said, Yes with additional fee alothough being the piece is purchased for a third party we are not at liberty to release this information. I'm confused. What should I do?
 
I'd just get an appraiser to do an insurance valuation...usually $40-60 in my area, insure the ring, and don't worry about it. The only reason you might need the one from Tiffany is if you ever decided to sell the ring.
 
Ok. Fair enough. So if they resized my ring, it's a legit ring? Because if it is not, they will not repair it?
 
thewireman|1352121314|3298947 said:
Ok. Fair enough. So if they resized my ring, it's a legit ring? Because if it is not, they will not repair it?
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Yes, I believe that is the case. I would save any receipts from them related to the resizing.
 
Great! Thank you!
 
It came today! Oh boy, it looks brand new! I have seen so many diamond rings, but I have NEVER seen this kind of diamond that SHINES so much!!! WOW! :eek: img_0465.jpg

I can't wait to propose my girlfriend of 5 years. Her dream is to wear a Tiffany ring, no matter what size.

Thank you so much for your help guys! :wavey:
 
It looks beautiful - all shined up like new! So glad this worked out for you and we look forward to hearing about the proposal!
 
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