Questioning diamond's clarity

[newfiance3]

My fiance gave me a beautiful engagement ring that I love. However, there is a black/grayish spot that is visible to the eye when looking at the diamond from the side. You can see it from two sides but not the other two sides. I know he paid a lot for the diamond but I'm worried he got ripped off because I think the clarity was highly rated. I know it came with an appraisal and the diamond rating, I want to ask to see the papers but really don't want to hurt his feelings. I kind of want to get it independently appraised but that seems silly to pay for a new one when we already have one, and I'm not sure what good that would do.

Please help! What should I do?

 

[whitewave]

Do you love the ring and the stone?

Are you obsessing about the spot?

 

[Mekp]

I will always vote for talking with your partner. A diamond is a big purchase and, assuming you will have joint finances, you need to be able to discuss big purchases.

If you really don't want to have that conversation, tell him you need the papers to insure it. That begs the question though, what will you do if it's an I2 and you don't want to discuss it with him?

I guess what you should do comes down to how much the inclusion will bug you. If it is all you will see everytime you look at it, i would speak up now.

 

[tyty333]

Diamonds are graded from the top down and not from side or bottom. Ask him what the color and clarity are. He should be willing to tell you
that and I wouldnt think he would take offense.

Edit...can you possibly get a picture of what you are seeing and post it here?

What shape stone is it?

 

[newfiance3]

Do you love the ring and the stone?

Are you obsessing about the spot?

I do love the ring and the stone! Now that I've seen the spot I can't really un-see it but I think the thing that bothers me just hoping he paid the right value for it.

 

[newfiance3]

I will always vote for talking with your partner. A diamond is a big purchase and, assuming you will have joint finances, you need to be able to discuss big purchases.

If you really don't want to have that conversation, tell him you need the papers to insure it. That begs the question though, what will you do if it's an I2 and you don't want to discuss it with him?

I guess what you should do comes down to how much the inclusion will bug you. If it is all you will see everytime you look at it, i would speak up now.

Thanks! I think if it's an I2 I would feel better if he paid for an I2 value. I just feel like he told me what the clarity was an it was higher than that which has me second guessing it. I think you're right in that I should just ask to see the papers and have the conversation. I just don't want him thinking I don't like the ring because that's not the issue at all, it's more if he got what he paid for.

 

[newfiance3]

Diamonds are graded from the top down and not from side or bottom. Ask him what the color and clarity are. He should be willing to tell you
that and I wouldnt think he would take offense.

Edit...can you possibly get a picture of what you are seeing and post it here?

What shape stone is it?

Ok thanks! I didn't know they were graded from the top down, it's not visible from the top at all (at least not to my eye). I will ask him for clarity and color. It's a round diamond set in cathedral setting so the side of the diamond is very visible. I tried getting a picture but it doesn't show up.

 

[AdaBeta27]

How large is the diamond, the weight? Because as diamonds get bigger, the size of inclusion that can still be VS1, SI2, or whatever, also gets bigger.

 

[daisygrl]

Thanks! I think if it's an I2 I would feel better if he paid for an I2 value. I just feel like he told me what the clarity was an it was higher than that which has me second guessing it. I think you're right in that I should just ask to see the papers and have the conversation. I just don't want him thinking I don't like the ring because that's not the issue at all, it's more if he got what he paid for.

One spot would not make a diamond an I2 unless it is a huge spot in which case it would be visible from more than just two sides.

Just ask him for the papers.

 

[doberman]

Presumably you need to insure this ring, and for that you need paperwork. Just ask, it's not that hard.

 

[headlight]

Color is graded with the pavilion up.
Clarity is graded by mentally dividing the diamond into sections and then systematically examining the crown and pavilion wedge by wedge.
A dark inclusion seen from the side would factor in the clarity grade. When OP says she sees it from 2 sides but not from 2 other sides, I’m guessing she is seeing the inclusion along with its reflection.
But just because there is a visible inclusion doesn’t automatically mean it is an I2! It could easily be an SI1. There are even situations where a VS2 can have an eye-visible inclusion.
I think, as others have already expressed, you really need to give consideration to what the purpose of making the inquiry is about. Hopefully he paid a fair price; however, if he was overcharged, that’s unfortunate but it is now in the past.
He made the best decision with the knowledge he had at the time he made the purchase.
The only thing that really matters is if you love the ring.
And just because you saw the inclusion and now it cannot be unseen, it’s not a bad thing. First of all, you will always be able to very easily identify it. Second, think of it as your diamond’s birthmark! Also, remember that it comes from nature. The formation of diamond is so incredibly fascinating... all that had to occur from specific conditions deep within the earth all the way until it landed on your ring finger... the journey is magnificent!
Not to sound like a diamond commercial, but your diamond is just as unique as your love. No two diamonds are alike so each one is a very special gift from nature (and from your fiancé lol!).
Just some advice from someone married 30+ years is that what’s important is not so much the clarity grade as the fact that he put a lot of thought, no doubt, in finding you this diamond. What I’ve come to learn (in my stubborn, hard-headed way!) is that the saying “it’s the thought that counts” really rings true! Another phrase “ignorance is bliss” also rings true in that if you didn’t know the details of your stone prior to this, there’s no need to know now if it’s going to be used in a manner that raises questions about the purchase.
I wouldn’t bring it up. I think it serves no purpose other than to attach a “negative” to the ring that can never be erased. He doesn’t want to feel like he screwed up or he’s being second guessed. Or that he wasn’t competent in making decisions of this nature, especially financial ones.
With all that said... Please post a photo of your ring so we can all admire it!

 

[Mornless]

Recently, I have often come across complaints from some buyers that they are being cheated and sold fake diamonds. I don't know what this is due to, but it is a pity that there are only more cheaters

 

[tyty333]

Recently, I have often come across complaints from some buyers that they are being cheated and sold fake diamonds. I don't know what this is due to, but it is a pity that there are only more cheaters

@Mornless Pertaining to this thread, I find this comment useless and attempt to ignite emotions. These sentiments dont belong in this thread.
If you want to start a new thread on the topic of "Being cheated and sold fake diamonds", please do so.

 

[MRBXXXFVVS1]

Just some advice from someone married 30+ years is that what’s important is not so much the clarity grade as the fact that he put a lot of thought, no doubt, in finding you this diamond. What I’ve come to learn (in my stubborn, hard-headed way!) is that the saying “it’s the thought that counts” really rings true! Another phrase “ignorance is bliss” also rings true in that if you didn’t know the details of your stone prior to this, there’s no need to know now if it’s going to be used in a manner that raises questions about the purchase.
I wouldn’t bring it up. I think it serves no purpose other than to attach a “negative” to the ring that can never be erased. He doesn’t want to feel like he screwed up or he’s being second guessed. Or that he wasn’t competent in making decisions of this nature, especially financial ones.
With all that said... Please post a photo of your ring so we can all admire it!

+1 I wouldn't bring it up if nothing could be done about it (unless maybe it's within the return period) and if it's just about the value. The thought that went into it is what's most important and a "negative" thought or association isn't worth it if nothing can be changed.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

My fiance gave me a beautiful engagement ring that I love. However, there is a black/grayish spot that is visible to the eye when looking at the diamond from the side. You can see it from two sides but not the other two sides. I know he paid a lot for the diamond but I'm worried he got ripped off because I think the clarity was highly rated. I know it came with an appraisal and the diamond rating, I want to ask to see the papers but really don't want to hurt his feelings. I kind of want to get it independently appraised but that seems silly to pay for a new one when we already have one, and I'm not sure what good that would do.

Please help! What should I do?

Is the diamond a princess cut?
It is common to see thru the large side facets the inclusions.
These diamonds are mostly fashioned from nice octahedra that usually have any inclusions near the center.
Clever cutters orientate the inclusions vertically in the stone so when you see them from the side they look 10X bigger.
I have seen VS2 1ct diamonds that look like I2 from the side but absolutely eye clean from the top.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

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[motownmama]

If it bothers you, I’m not trying to convince you not to be bothered; but, if you love it and ultimately don’t think he overpaid, having an inclusion like you’re describing helps you easily identify your stone. Not that Ive ever thought a jeweler was switching my diamond - I have not - but I love bringing it up to my eye, looking at the profile and saying “yup, that’s mine alright!”
Having said that, there’s a saying around here that if it bothers you now it will bother you MORE later, so that’s your call. Good luck. May we see a picture please?