Purchasing engagment ring

[Pbonz]

Hi guys
New to the forums. I'm very close to purchasing a Diamond for an engagment ring. I have the GIA report and the diamond has all the features for a low price. The problem is it has quite a few twinning wisps. I'm not sure the protocol of posting on here the report but would love some feedback. It is with a dealer who is buying on my behalf.
Here is the Gia report.
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2266454930
Thanks

 

[Matthews1127]

Do you have photos/video/ASET, or ANY visual aid to see the diamond, itself?
The report is great to have, but seeing it is the only way to know if the inclusions affect the performance of the diamond, or create a worrisome distraction. The GIA XXX is an excellent start...
Are any of the above available?

 

[Pbonz]

Do you have photos/video/ASET, or ANY visual aid to see the diamond, itself?
The report is great to have, but seeing it is the only way to know if the inclusions affect the performance of the diamond, or create a worrisome distraction. The GIA XXX is an excellent start...
Are any of the above available?

Yep. I've seen videos and photos. Waiting for an email with all of it and can post it. The wisps are what's throwing me off. From the naked eye I couldn't see any of it, but depends on lighting. And the medium blue also, should I be concerned?

 

[Matthews1127]

Yep. I've seen videos and photos. Waiting for an email with all of it and can post it. The wisps are what's throwing me off. From the naked eye I couldn't see any of it, but depends on lighting. And the medium blue also, should I be concerned?

Fluorescence is a matter of personal preference. The diamond is G in color. Usually, Flurescence helps lower color grade diamonds face up more white. G colored stones really don't need the help, but I can't imagine the fluorescence would HURT a G color diamond. THAT is a factor YOU (and she) will have to decide, and a conversation to have with someone with more experience with Flurescence. I have a G colored Diamond with no flurescence, so...
however, the clarity of the wisps is what I would be concerned with...hope you can get those images, soon...I'm curious to see if the wisps really will impact anything at all. Placement of the inclusions is key....

 

[Pbonz]

Fluorescence is a matter of personal preference. The diamond is G in color. Usually, Flurescence helps lower color grade diamonds face up more white. G colored stones really don't need the help, but I can't imagine the fluorescence would HURT a G color diamond. THAT is a factor YOU (and she) will have to decide, and a conversation to have with someone with more experience with Flurescence. I have a G colored Diamond with no flurescence, so...
however, the clarity of the wisps is what I would be concerned with...hope you can get those images, soon...I'm curious to see if the wisps really will impact anything at all. Placement of the inclusions is key....

Thanks Matthew.
So from what he told me the blue will help because the diamond is very big in diamater, making the G almost like an F. The problem will arise when in UV lighting. Like at a club... will the whole diamond turn blue? Don't want it to seem like I cheaped out LOL.
He is going to try and get me the images asap. Is there any special imaging I should ask for ?

 

[Matthews1127]

Thanks Matthew.
So from what he told me the blue will help because the diamond is very big in diamater, making the G almost like an F. The problem will arise when in UV lighting. Like at a club... will the whole diamond turn blue? Don't want it to seem like I cheaped out LOL.
He is going to try and get me the images asap. Is there any special imaging I should ask for ?

He could hold it under a black light to show you how the diamond is affected by the flurescence. It's only medium, so it may not impact the stone as much.
Clear inclusions, depending on their placement, can hide well, and never impact the performance of the stone. I have an EC...and clarity is a huge factor when selecting a quality EC. My EC's clarity grade is SI2...but you'd never believe me, to look at it. My DH got a hell of a deal on my diamond...lol!

 

[Matthews1127]

These guidelines are very helpful, when sourcing a quality, Round Diamond. As I mentioned before, I'm an EC/Asscher girl; Round Cuts are still rather new to me, as far as learning curve. I've learned a lot from RB's lovers, here. I will share, with you, their wisdom:


I compared your angles & proportions to these, and they are quite a bit off. This will affect the face up value of the diamond, and it's performance....

 

[Pbonz]

Where did you pull that info from? Sorry what is the abbreviation for EC, RB? Haha. I am so new to this.

 

[Matthews1127]

Where did you pull that info from? Sorry what is the abbreviation for EC, RB? Haha. I am so new to this.

I took snap shots of reliable PSer's comments left to a gent, like yourself, to use as reference.

EC = Emerald Cut
RB = Round Brilliant
DH = Dear Husband

 

[Matthews1127]

@OoohShiny @diamondseeker2006 @LLJsmom @junebug17 any advice/words of wisdom?!?

 

[Pbonz]

I took snap shots of reliable PSer's comments left to a gent, like yourself, to use as reference.

EC = Emerald Cut
RB = Round Brilliant
DH = Dear Husband

So you don't think the guidelines are all that good on mine? He was selling me on the diamater and how it's a nice big 1.0ct. This is so hard

 

[Matthews1127]

So you don't think the guidelines are all that good on mine? He was selling me on the diamater and how it's a nice big 1.0ct. This is so hard

The depth % is almost exact to your table. The depth & table are both under 60%, which, if I'm not mistaken, is rather small. The above PSer's I tagged are far more experienced with this than I am, concerning round diamonds....and I KNOW they can tell you why the proportions of your stone are not "ideal".
It would really help to have the visual assist to really SEE the diamond to determine if any of the above even matters....

 

[Pbonz]

The depth % is almost exact to your table. The depth & table are both under 60%, which, if I'm not mistaken, is rather small. The above PSer's I tagged are far more experienced with this than I am, concerning round diamonds....and I KNOW they can tell you why the proportions of your stone are not "ideal".
It would really help to have the visual assist to really SEE the diamond to determine if any of the above even matters....

Thanks. So the inclusions are black. He's not sure how much they show up. I seen the video, but magnified and I could obviously see them. They told me it's very very clean. But how can I believe without seeing.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

These guidelines are very helpful, when sourcing a quality, Round Diamond. As I mentioned before, I'm an EC/Asscher girl; Round Cuts are still rather new to me, as far as learning curve. I've learned a lot from RB's lovers, here. I will share, with you, their wisdom:


I compared your angles & proportions to these, and they are quite a bit off. This will affect the face up value of the diamond, and it's performance....

Those numbers came from me, but in the second set, it should say crown angle 34-35.

Diamonds with table and depth close to 60 are called 60-60 diamonds. Some people like them because they have a slightly greater spread (diameter). I personally do not like a large table with a low crown angle, because when you look at the diamond from the side, it kind of looks like it has a flat top. I only buy modern round brilliants with the measurements Matthews1127 listed because those are parameters that most of the superideal cut vendors go by which results in excellent light return, fire, and scintillation.

 

[Matthews1127]

Thanks. So the inclusions are black. He's not sure how much they show up. I seen the video, but magnified and I could obviously see them. They told me it's very very clean. But how can I believe without seeing.

Black inclusions are a red flag. If they were clear, I'd feel better about it. Clarity is my "thing". Is this an online vendor? If so, will they send it to you to see to determine you wish to purchase it? Some will...

 

[SimoneDi]

Alright, that diamond would be a no for me. It is a 60/60 stone, which is not necessarily bad, it is just the type of stone that will produce more scintillation (white sparkles) than fire (rainbow colors). The crown angle is way too low at 32. If you run the stone through the HCA tool it comes back at 1.1 within BIC (more about bic here: http://www.diamond-cut.com.au/23_bicfic.htm) what that means is that the stone will be brilliant, but will lack some fire. Most here on PS prefer stones that fall under TIC or FIC, because we loooove fire. The guidelines posted above is where most will tell you to aim to be, and the even stricter guidelines are below:

Table: 54-58
Depth: 60-62
Crown angle: 34-35
Pavilion angle: 40.6-40.8

However, we usually like to see some images like ASET and Idealscore to really judge performance. Can you get any of those?

Regarding clarity: twinning wisps are actually some of the best inclusions to have because most of the time, they are invisible to the naked eye. Sometimes twinning wisps may affect transparency, which is why the stone needs to be examined and magnified images and other above mentioned images always come in super handy. The primary inclusion for this diamond is a feather on the pavilion side.
It is most likely an eye-clean diamond, but I would not purchase it blind.

G color is white, but H color and even I will most likely look the same to the untrained eye, so if size is what you are aiming for, looking at other colors in the near-colorless range is usually a good idea.

And please remember CUT always comes first, it is the most important thing, all other attributes are usually dictated by budget and personal preferences.

What is your budget? We can help you find some other stones to look at.

 

[OoohShiny]

I have nothing more to add to the esteemed posters above! lol

 

[Dancing Fire]

So you don't think the guidelines are all that good on mine? He was selling me on the diamater and how it's a nice big 1.0ct. This is so hard

How much is the stone?

 

[Pbonz]

How much is the stone?

$6,050 Canadian

 

[Pbonz]

Alright, that diamond would be a no for me. It is a 60/60 stone, which is not necessarily bad, it is just the type of stone that will produce more scintillation (white sparkles) than fire (rainbow colors). The crown angle is way too low at 32. If you run the stone through the HCA tool it comes back at 1.1 within BIC (more about bic here: http://www.diamond-cut.com.au/23_bicfic.htm) what that means is that the stone will be brilliant, but will lack some fire. Most here on PS prefer stones that fall under TIC or FIC, because we loooove fire. The guidelines posted above is where most will tell you to aim to be, and the even stricter guidelines are below:

Table: 54-58
Depth: 60-62
Crown angle: 34-35
Pavilion angle: 40.6-40.8

However, we usually like to see some images like ASET and Idealscore to really judge performance. Can you get any of those?

Regarding clarity: twinning wisps are actually some of the best inclusions to have because most of the time, they are invisible to the naked eye. Sometimes twinning wisps may affect transparency, which is why the stone needs to be examined and magnified images and other above mentioned images always come in super handy. The primary inclusion for this diamond is a feather on the pavilion side.
It is most likely an eye-clean diamond, but I would not purchase it blind.

G color is white, but H color and even I will most likely look the same to the untrained eye, so if size is what you are aiming for, looking at other colors in the near-colorless range is usually a good idea.

And please remember CUT always comes first, it is the most important thing, all other attributes are usually dictated by budget and personal preferences.

What is your budget? We can help you find some other stones to look at.

My budget is $7,500 Canadian all in. I was told hcp of 1.1 would be incredible. Was I fooled ?

 

[SimoneDi]

HCA is a rejection tool, not a selection tool. All diamonds that fall under 2 need to be further examined. What type of setting do you plan on getting? (Solitaire, pave, halo, etc.)
I quickly checked on BN Canada to see what your budget can get. I found the below 3 that I like, but I will look again in a bit to see what else is out there.

1.01 G VS2, SF, really nice proportions: https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-y...999319?track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

1.10 H SI1, SF, white crystals, so it should be eye-clean,but you can decide that for yourself. This is a FIC stone, so it should produce more fire. https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-y...009157?track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

1.13 I VS1 SF, nice proportions,https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-y...939796?track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

You can see that going down the color range gets you larger size and increased clarity at a lower cost. Have you or your intended had the chance to see diamonds of different colors in person? If not, I think that would be beneficial. Some people are color sensitive, but in my experience, the average consumer has a really hard time distinguishing amongst various diamond colors. Same is true for clarity.

 

[Pbonz]

HCA is a rejection tool, not a selection tool. All diamonds that fall under 2 need to be further examined. What type of setting do you plan on getting? (Solitaire, pave, halo, etc.)
I quickly checked on BN Canada to see what your budget can get. I found the below 3 that I like, but I will look again in a bit to see what else is out there.

1.01 G VS2, SF, really nice proportions: https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-y...999319?track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

1.10 H SI1, SF, white crystals, so it should be eye-clean,but you can decide that for yourself. This is a FIC stone, so it should produce more fire. https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-y...009157?track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

1.13 I VS1 SF, nice proportions,https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-y...939796?track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

You can see that going down the color range gets you larger size and increased clarity at a lower cost. Have you or your intended had the chance to see diamonds of different colors in person? If not, I think that would be beneficial. Some people are color sensitive, but in my experience, the average consumer has a really hard time distinguishing amongst various diamond colors. Same is true for clarity.

Thanks. So I've gone in and looked and I wasn't able to distinguish colour between F and G which is where I was told to stay by my friends lol. Obv no experts. Those table parameters that were earlier mentioned, if I stick with those on top of a excellent cut I should be okay? I'll have to examine further hca on top of that. Also I should of mentioned, I'm trying to keep a budget of $7500 all in. Ring and side diamonds. So the diamonds I was looking around were $6,000 and $1500 for the rest of band/side stones. My fault

Also, fluorescent. I saw on the 3 diamonds you mentioned that have strong fluorescent. But with the lower colours that's okay? Just worry if she goes to a club and her ring is suddenly all blue hahaha

The setting is just 3 stone setting. 1 centre diamond and 2 on the sides. 0.20ct is where I was looking to stay within for the side diamonds.

 

[Pbonz]

Alright, that diamond would be a no for me. It is a 60/60 stone, which is not necessarily bad, it is just the type of stone that will produce more scintillation (white sparkles) than fire (rainbow colors). The crown angle is way too low at 32. If you run the stone through the HCA tool it comes back at 1.1 within BIC (more about bic here: http://www.diamond-cut.com.au/23_bicfic.htm) what that means is that the stone will be brilliant, but will lack some fire. Most here on PS prefer stones that fall under TIC or FIC, because we loooove fire. The guidelines posted above is where most will tell you to aim to be, and the even stricter guidelines are below:

Table: 54-58
Depth: 60-62
Crown angle: 34-35
Pavilion angle: 40.6-40.8

However, we usually like to see some images like ASET and Idealscore to really judge performance. Can you get any of those?

Regarding clarity: twinning wisps are actually some of the best inclusions to have because most of the time, they are invisible to the naked eye. Sometimes twinning wisps may affect transparency, which is why the stone needs to be examined and magnified images and other above mentioned images always come in super handy. The primary inclusion for this diamond is a feather on the pavilion side.
It is most likely an eye-clean diamond, but I would not purchase it blind.

G color is white, but H color and even I will most likely look the same to the untrained eye, so if size is what you are aiming for, looking at other colors in the near-colorless range is usually a good idea.

And please remember CUT always comes first, it is the most important thing, all other attributes are usually dictated by budget and personal preferences.

What is your budget? We can help you find some other stones to look at.

Quick question also. If I was looking for an FIC stone, which I like. I would love a fire type diamond. It says according to the hca something bigger than 35 crown angle. In your "ideal" parameters 34-35 is the set number. So if I found a 35.5 or so that's still okay? What else would you need for it to be fiery type stone. Thanks

 

[SimoneDi]

The 1.1 H SI1 I suggested is a fiery stone. You can go to crown angle of 36 if fire is what you are after. So let me get this straight- overall, you are aiming for a three stone and 7.5k cad is the total budget? I think that you can go with even smaller side stones. I recently got 23pt sides for my 2ct center stone.Overall, I think that anything between 10-20pt would look lovely with a 1ct center. Do you have a particular setting in mind?

 

[Dancing Fire]

Also, fluorescent. I saw on the 3 diamonds you mentioned that have strong fluorescent. But with the lower colours that's okay? Just worry if she goes to a club and her ring is suddenly all blue hahaha

Yes it will turn blue if you pointed a UV light at the stone, even on faint flour stones.

 

[Pbonz]

The 1.1 H SI1 I suggested is a fiery stone. You can go to crown angle of 36 if fire is what you are after. So let me get this straight- overall, you are aiming for a three stone and 7.5k cad is the total budget? I think that you can go with even smaller side stones. I recently got 23pt sides for my 2ct center stone.Overall, I think that anything between 10-20pt would look lovely with a 1ct center. Do you have a particular setting in mind?

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-y...num_58242?elem=img&track=product&vtype=sample

That is the setting. I have a guy doing the ring super cheap, family friend. It will be 14k rose gold (she was adament) 7.5k is total yes. I'm willing to stretch it if need be for perfection. Tried to send you a DM about helping find because tomorrow will have to be the day I absolutely pick a diamond if I'm going to be able to pull my planned proposal off lol

 

[SimoneDi]

https://www.bluenile.com/ca/build-y...num_58242?elem=img&track=product&vtype=sample

That is the setting. I have a guy doing the ring super cheap, family friend. It will be 14k rose gold (she was adament) 7.5k is total yes. I'm willing to stretch it if need be for perfection. Tried to send you a DM about helping find because tomorrow will have to be the day I absolutely pick a diamond if I'm going to be able to pull my planned proposal off lol

No DM on PS. Ok, is fluorescence a no? If she goes out clubbing, then I am afraid the diamond will glow in the dark. Sample pic below of my old SBF stone:


We have heard about unsuccessful jewelry stories involving "friend" connections one-too-many times. My recommendation would be that you purchase everything from the vendor. The vendor will then assume responsibility for setting the stones, sizing, etc. The BN setting seems very reasonably priced, with side stones, it will come just about 1.5k CAD.

So lastly, is fluorescence in or out?

 

[ringo865]

Many people love fluorescence. Many don't. But it can help color appear higher than grade and can help your budget as they are slightly discounted. Also, if a stone turns blue in a club (black lights only, not in every bar) know that it isn't a simulated diamond. CZs and other sims do not fluoresce.

 

[Pbonz]

I don't mind fluorescence too much. As long as it isn't super strong. Medium/faint I think should be okay. I'd like a diamond that sparks and fire a lot more than size I think. But nothing small because she does come from a judgmental family (yes I know the consequences there hahah)

 

[Pbonz]

Also, should I consider AGS verified diamonds or just GIA?