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I was just wondering if the experts feel that most princess stones should be cut on the "deep" side or if the majority of them are cut on the deep side b/c they tend to be cut improperly ... I found a stone with a depth of approx 67 and a table less than that. I was not expecting see find that. Is this uncommon for a reason? Thanks!
 
I know absolutely nothing (yet!
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http://www.gemappraisers.com/chrt4.htm
 
From what I've read most princess cuts are cut because it's the best use of the rough diamond. They cut them deep because they don't want to waste any of the rough and they get to charge you for it.
 
I think that's what it is too...best use of rough...but then again, I seem to remember an old post about fancies actually looking better deeper...Researcher indicated that she prefers them deeper...and look at her stone! It's awesome...It is funny how I am 'shocked' to see such a "shallow" princess. I think we are all used to seeing deeper ones!

I just wonder if they actually do look better on the deep or on the shallow side....But then again, I don't know if 67 is considered shallow!!!
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I might have found one EP!
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LOL Froof...you'll get there! I've been obsessed with them for a long time and I'm still a dumb a**!
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Hahaha! I'd hate to know what that makes me then!
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I REALLY hope you found a keeper MMM!
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Fingers crossed....! I won't jinx you by asking any of the other specs, tho i'm awfully curious...
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I still think you should buy 4 IF stones. A Flanders, Regent, Jubilee and Princess. You'll have the best of all worlds. Besides, it's only leftovers for the next 50 years.

Oh, and researcher's princess can be deep, it's a freakin monster!
 
Oh you are just SOOOO funny aren't you?
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Actually, one stone I'm looking at is a Vs1...the Vs2 is crystal clear on the plot....

Alexah...just pm'd you!
 
Hey you have to keep a sense of humor after what you've been through on this search
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Good luck
 
Want to hear something interesting? I had decided I like stones with a depth in the low 70's BEFORE going to two separate appraisers, and they both stated that the best princess stones they see tend to have the slightly deeper depths, slightly larger tables. I think what it really comes down to is having a table that's smaller than the depth, and most stones that tend to have less depth have a table that is larger. All in all, I just think it's important that the pavilion is deep enough that it has those steep angles necessary for greater brilliance! If you can find a stone with a depth in the high 60's with a great ideal scope/light scope image and a nice crown % you've definitely found a keeper!!!
 
Oh, yeah. Did I forget to mention that the main reason I like the slightly deeper stones is because it's easier to find a good one? I just looked at way too many stones with depths in the high 60's that sucked when I was trying to get a stone that would face up really big, so that's what swayed me to the slightly larger depths.
 
On a final note, keep in mind that 1mm = .039 inches, so when you do find a stone that's a bit deeper you're really not losing that much in size!
 
You certaily did find a great one!!!

I just think that is so interesting...that we are told that princess stones are cut too deep....but then the ones you liked the best were the 'deeper' ones!
 
It hope J can get the sarin info on those two G princess stones...the one with 67 depth and the 71 depth...I'm curious how they compare!
 
I guess I lied about having made my last point--Sorry!

One other thing to keep in mind is that, while princess stones are cut because it's the best use of the diamond rough as Ep6585 stated, it's the same for other shapes as well (skilled cutters can look at the rough and know what shape would compliment it best). IMO princess stones do need the extra depth (compared to rounds) to achieve their brilliance because of the way the pavilion is cut.

The problem I've found with princess cut stones is some cutters to try to retain as much of rough as possible, leading to depths over 75%. It's important to keep in mind that every shape has certain parameters for achieving the maximum brilliance, fire, and scintillation, so you don't want a stone that's too deep or too shallow. However, if you stick within the 64-75% range you should be okay as long as the table and other specs compliment the depth.

Am I making sense? My point is that, yes, some stones are cut merely to retain weight, but looking for a stone with a depth in the low 70's is not what I would consider cutting the rough to retain the weight--it's cutting the rough to yield the most brilliance.
 
I luv your new avatar MMM
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is that your kitty on the pumpkins?
 
I honestly think both of those G's will be good, but the one with a 71% depth may score a bit higher on white light (just a guess). MMM, keep in mind that I HATE deep stones (those over the suggested 64-75% range)--I would rather have a stone that's too shallow than too deep. I just think that it's easier for cutters to get the correct pavilion angles when the stones are slightly deeper, and therefore you have a better chance of finding a good one. But, I'm totally taking a stab in the dark. Honestly, I don't know enough about diamonds or the way they're cut to back my opinions in any way. I just know what I like from what I've seen. I seriously just lucked into my stone!
 
OMG! I just noticed your new avatar thanks to Alexah's post! How cute is that picture?!?!
 
As always...you are very helpful!!!!!!!!
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Am I making any sense? Here's the link I used to teach me almost everything I know about princess cut diamonds, and to choose my diamond. I've posted it before, but it's nice to review it now and again:

Princess Cut Dimensions

This is what taught me the importance of finding a stone with complimentary crown and pavilion angles, and convinced me of the importance of having a steep crown matched with the slightly deeper stones (I mean, if most of the depth is on top leading to greater fire, who cares that it's a bit deep (I'd rather be a bit bigger and top heavy than smaller and carry my weight at the bottom!
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On 8/4/2004 10:42:31 AM moremoremore wrote:

Oh you are just SOOOO funny aren't you?
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Actually, one stone I'm looking at is a Vs1...the Vs2 is crystal clear on the plot....

Alexah...just pm'd you!

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With your sharp eye, maybe you should start a grading service. Everybody should have the vendors drop ship the stone to you to make sure it's eye clean. If you call the stone eye clean, it's gotta be eye clean. An eye clean stone will come with a cert of approval by "eagle eyes More". i will be your first customer.
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I love reading both MMM and researcher's posts...I learn so much about princess cuts and you guys always crack me up
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I can only speak for myself, KBerly, but I am the farthest thing from a diamond expert! In fact, I wonder if the experts read my "advice" and laugh about it with their colleagues. Have you ever looked at my first posts? Scary! It's so embarrassing to look back and realize how clueless I was! I just wonder if, in another few months, I'll look back on these posts and think the same thing! Thank you for the compliment though--and I'm glad we make you laugh (although I hope it's WITH us, not AT us (at least the majority of the time!))!
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Thanks guys!!!! The new avatar is a kitty I found online...he reminded me of my prince Vincent, but Vinny has more green eyes. I LOVE black cats. I have two...don't ask me how I also came home with a buff fat tabby who thinks he's a dog and sheds everywhere.

Well, the 2.44 G 71.9, 68or69 table turned out to not be a lab graded stone...so that's off the table....the 2.2 67.5/65 stone I don't know about ... J will let me know but I don't have a good feeling. He's also not crazy about the #s on the 2.03 F. I don't see any more stones I like out there. Kinda bummin. But it's only a diamond...and more will come...

I wonder why Freddy Crueger(?)...oh, I'm soprry, Fred Cueller (sp?) says you should aim for a 65/65 princess. NOT that I trust a word he says.
 
And KBerly- thanks for the sweet compliment...but I don't know anything...if you only knew how many emails I send to researcher and Jonathan
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And Ms. Alexha has given me some links to some sweet stones too!!! They all look like winners!!!
 
I liken overdeep diamonds, including deep princess cuts, to a piece of untrimmed meat at the grocery store. Sure, it costs a bit less per pound, but the part you can eat is somewhat diminished by the fat that will go to waste.

Trapped inside a overly deep diamond is a properly cut stone which will not weigh so much, but will have the potential to be highly brilliant. Deep diamonds tend to be dark and less brilliant, but if you have few well cut ones to compare them with, then how would you find out? I know the problem although progress is being made.

People looking for a full 1 carat weight diamond on a tight budget often select a way too deep diamond. Sure, it weighs the weight, but it is the untrimmed piece of rough that could be better looking if it was cut nicer. They fall victim to their preconceived notion of needing a certain carat weight. Its their choice.

THis is often why we see deep stones since they sell for less per carat than well cut ones.
 
Thanks Dave. Would you say that a 67.5 princess is "shallow" ?
 
Nice cat. My GF has a black cat named Vincent that she rescued from the animal shelter. She named him after Vincent Van Gogh because he's only got one full ear.
 
LOL!!!! I called mine Vinny b/c he LOVES sauce...He also slinks into a room like he's just lookin for trouble
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