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Any proof other than his word, which has no value to me, would do. The issue for me is not whether he was wiretapped but that he accused Obama of breaking the law. Provide solid of proof of that and we can proceed to what would probably be the trial of the century.redwood66|1488819447|4137121 said:
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As far as I've read, Trump has the power to declassify this info, and could provide "proof" to back up his claims by showing warrants, requests, etc. But he has no proof, so of course he hasn't shown anyHouse Cat|1488819751|4137125 said:
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Looks like the WH spokespeople are admitting Trump doesn't believe the FBI.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obama-wiretap-james-comey-235709
I think we are officially living in an alternative reality.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obama-wiretap-james-comey-235709
I think we are officially living in an alternative reality.
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I'm not surprised he doesn't believe Comey. He has been consistent in his disdain for the intelligence community. We are definitely living in a new reality, but yanno, we should give him a chance causelovedogs|1488820523|4137133 said:
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when you're famous you can grab them by the pussy; they'll let you do anything. then when you occupy the president's office (which is quite different than truly being a President) you can make up any far-fetched fantasy you want to distract people from noticing that you have no idea what government is, let alone how to run it, so you throw these outlandish claims around and half the population will run after it and act like it was credible and should be chased down, but you're really just an a$$hole who pretended to throw a stick so you could laugh at the stupid dog that ran after it.
A much more likely scenario is that 45 has Obama's phone, Michelle's phone, even their kids' phones tapped, along with planned parenthood, the rand organization, the nature conservancy, Hillary, every democrat in congress, every woman who ever spoke up about his unwelcome and hideously grotesque sexual advances, and the phones of every Page, Paralegal, and Porter in the supreme court's phones tapped. I've heard it said, and many, maaany people have said this so, that he even has video cameras hidden inside the toilets at Mar-a-Loco.
A much more likely scenario is that 45 has Obama's phone, Michelle's phone, even their kids' phones tapped, along with planned parenthood, the rand organization, the nature conservancy, Hillary, every democrat in congress, every woman who ever spoke up about his unwelcome and hideously grotesque sexual advances, and the phones of every Page, Paralegal, and Porter in the supreme court's phones tapped. I've heard it said, and many, maaany people have said this so, that he even has video cameras hidden inside the toilets at Mar-a-Loco.
Everyone seems to forget back in 2012 when Osama was caught on a hot mic talking to Russian President Dimitri Medvedev saying how he WOULD HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY AFTER THE ELECTION. Medvedev replied how he would relay the message to Putin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JpPU-SwcbE
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siv1|1488824795|4137158 said:ruby59|1488824725|4137155 said:
Oh, believe me ruby, I kmow
Very confusing that you both seem honestly confused by the issue here. How is something that Obama said relevant here? And what he said is COMPLETELY REASONABLE. You are trying to justify the Trump administration by Obama saying he'd have more flexibility after the election??? There is literally no logic in that argument.
No one also mentions about the executive order Osama signed 3 weeks before leaving office that makes it so much easier for leaks to happen.
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2017-01-03/pdf/2016-31922.pdf
Taking Additional Steps to Address the National Emergency With Respect to Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) (NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, in order to take additional steps to deal with the national emergency with respect to significant malicious cyber-enabled activities declared in Executive Order 13694 of April 1, 2015, and in view of the increasing use of such activities to undermine democratic processes or institutions, hereby order: Section 1. Section 1(a) of Executive Order 13694 is hereby amended to read as follows: ‘‘Section 1. (a) All property and interests in property that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person of the following persons are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: (i) the persons listed in the Annex to this order; (ii) any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, directly or indirectly, cyber- enabled activities originating from, or directed by persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States that are reasonably likely to result in, or have materially contributed to, a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States and that have the purpose or effect of: (A) harming, or otherwise significantly compromising the provision of services by, a computer or network of computers that support one or more entities in a critical infrastructure sector; (B) significantly compromising the provision of services by one or more entities in a critical infrastructure sector; (C) causing a significant disruption to the availability of a computer or network of computers; (D) causing a significant misappropriation of funds or economic resources, trade secrets, personal identifiers, or financial information for commercial or competitive advantage or private financial gain; or (E) tampering with, altering, or causing a misappropriation of information with the purpose or effect of interfering with or undermining election processes or institutions; and (iii) any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State: (A) to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, the receipt or use for commercial or competitive advantage or private financial gain, or by a commercial entity, outside the United States of trade secrets
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misappropriated through cyber-enabled means, knowing they have been misappropriated, where the misappropriation of such trade secrets is reasonably likely to result in, or has materially contributed to, a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States; (B) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support for, or goods or services to or in support of, any activity described in subsections (a)(ii) or (a)(iii)(A) of this section or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; (C) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or (D) to have attempted to engage in any of the activities described in subsections (a)(ii) and (a)(iii)(A)–(C) of this section.’’ Sec. 2. Executive Order 13694 is further amended by adding as an Annex to Executive Order 13694 the Annex to this order. Sec. 3. Executive Order 13694 is further amended by redesignating section 10 as section 11 and adding a new section 10 to read as follows: ‘‘Sec. 10. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, is hereby authorized to determine that circumstances no longer warrant the blocking of the property and interests in property of a person listed in the Annex to this order, and to take necessary action to give effect to that determination.’’ Sec. 4. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person. Sec. 5. This order is effective at 12:01 a.m. eastern standard time on December 29, 2016.
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https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2017-01-03/pdf/2016-31922.pdf
Taking Additional Steps to Address the National Emergency With Respect to Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) (NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, in order to take additional steps to deal with the national emergency with respect to significant malicious cyber-enabled activities declared in Executive Order 13694 of April 1, 2015, and in view of the increasing use of such activities to undermine democratic processes or institutions, hereby order: Section 1. Section 1(a) of Executive Order 13694 is hereby amended to read as follows: ‘‘Section 1. (a) All property and interests in property that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person of the following persons are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: (i) the persons listed in the Annex to this order; (ii) any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, directly or indirectly, cyber- enabled activities originating from, or directed by persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States that are reasonably likely to result in, or have materially contributed to, a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States and that have the purpose or effect of: (A) harming, or otherwise significantly compromising the provision of services by, a computer or network of computers that support one or more entities in a critical infrastructure sector; (B) significantly compromising the provision of services by one or more entities in a critical infrastructure sector; (C) causing a significant disruption to the availability of a computer or network of computers; (D) causing a significant misappropriation of funds or economic resources, trade secrets, personal identifiers, or financial information for commercial or competitive advantage or private financial gain; or (E) tampering with, altering, or causing a misappropriation of information with the purpose or effect of interfering with or undermining election processes or institutions; and (iii) any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State: (A) to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, the receipt or use for commercial or competitive advantage or private financial gain, or by a commercial entity, outside the United States of trade secrets
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misappropriated through cyber-enabled means, knowing they have been misappropriated, where the misappropriation of such trade secrets is reasonably likely to result in, or has materially contributed to, a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States; (B) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support for, or goods or services to or in support of, any activity described in subsections (a)(ii) or (a)(iii)(A) of this section or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; (C) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or (D) to have attempted to engage in any of the activities described in subsections (a)(ii) and (a)(iii)(A)–(C) of this section.’’ Sec. 2. Executive Order 13694 is further amended by adding as an Annex to Executive Order 13694 the Annex to this order. Sec. 3. Executive Order 13694 is further amended by redesignating section 10 as section 11 and adding a new section 10 to read as follows: ‘‘Sec. 10. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, is hereby authorized to determine that circumstances no longer warrant the blocking of the property and interests in property of a person listed in the Annex to this order, and to take necessary action to give effect to that determination.’’ Sec. 4. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person. Sec. 5. This order is effective at 12:01 a.m. eastern standard time on December 29, 2016.
THE WHITE HOUSE, December 28, 2016.
lovedogs|1488824922|4137159 said:siv1|1488824795|4137158 said:ruby59|1488824725|4137155 said:
Oh, believe me ruby, I kmow
Very confusing that you both seem honestly confused by the issue here. How is something that Obama said relevant here? And what he said is COMPLETELY REASONABLE. You are trying to justify the Trump administration by Obama saying he'd have more flexibility after the election??? There is literally no logic in that argument.
No, that is not what I am saying. What I AM saying, is that it sounds like Osama had something going on with the Russians.
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And I'm saying there's literally no evidence for that. None at all. I'm concerned that you don't seem able to separate fact from fiction when it comes to current affairs and news.siv1|1488825374|4137163 said:lovedogs|1488824922|4137159 said:siv1|1488824795|4137158 said:ruby59|1488824725|4137155 said:
Oh, believe me ruby, I kmow
Very confusing that you both seem honestly confused by the issue here. How is something that Obama said relevant here? And what he said is COMPLETELY REASONABLE. You are trying to justify the Trump administration by Obama saying he'd have more flexibility after the election??? There is literally no logic in that argument.
No, that is not what I am saying. What I AM saying, is that it sounds like Osama had something going on with the Russians.
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lovedogs|1488825678|4137165 said:And I'm saying there's literally no evidence for that. None at all. I'm concerned that you don't seem able to separate fact from fiction when it comes to current affairs and news.siv1|1488825374|4137163 said:lovedogs|1488824922|4137159 said:siv1|1488824795|4137158 said:ruby59|1488824725|4137155 said:
Oh, believe me ruby, I kmow
Very confusing that you both seem honestly confused by the issue here. How is something that Obama said relevant here? And what he said is COMPLETELY REASONABLE. You are trying to justify the Trump administration by Obama saying he'd have more flexibility after the election??? There is literally no logic in that argument.
No, that is not what I am saying. What I AM saying, is that it sounds like Osama had something going on with the Russians.
Yes he did - no he didn't. Do you really think the general public has a clue either way?
So saying there is no evidence only means that those who do have it have not shared it with you yet. And they may never do so.
Anything posted here is pure conjecture based on namesless sources spinning it depending on which side they are on or which media source they are taking to.
lovedogs|1488825678|4137165 said:And I'm saying there's literally no evidence for that. None at all. I'm concerned that you don't seem able to separate fact from fiction when it comes to current affairs and news.siv1|1488825374|4137163 said:lovedogs|1488824922|4137159 said:siv1|1488824795|4137158 said:ruby59|1488824725|4137155 said:
Oh, believe me ruby, I kmow
Very confusing that you both seem honestly confused by the issue here. How is something that Obama said relevant here? And what he said is COMPLETELY REASONABLE. You are trying to justify the Trump administration by Obama saying he'd have more flexibility after the election??? There is literally no logic in that argument.
No, that is not what I am saying. What I AM saying, is that it sounds like Osama had something going on with the Russians.
No evidence? Did you see the YouTube video? That's evidence.
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siv1|1488825374|4137163 said:lovedogs|1488824922|4137159 said:siv1|1488824795|4137158 said:ruby59|1488824725|4137155 said:
Oh, believe me ruby, I kmow
Very confusing that you both seem honestly confused by the issue here. How is something that Obama said relevant here? And what he said is COMPLETELY REASONABLE. You are trying to justify the Trump administration by Obama saying he'd have more flexibility after the election??? There is literally no logic in that argument.
No, that is not what I am saying. What I AM saying, is that it sounds like Osama had something going on with the Russians.
Deleted. Not wasting my time on this lunatic.
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siv1|1488825187|4137161 said:
BS.
http://www.defenseone.com/politics/2017/01/why-obama-expanding-surveillance-powers-right-he-leaves-office/134584/
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With the new changes, which were long in the works, those agencies can apply for access to various feeds of raw, undoctored NSA intelligence. Analysts will then be able to sift through the contents of those feeds as they see fit, before implementing required privacy protections. Previously, the NSA applied those privacy protections itself, before forwarding select pieces of information to agencies that might need to see them.
The updated procedures will multiply the number of intelligence analysts who have access to NSA surveillance, which is captured in large quantities and often isn’t subject to warrant requirements. The changes rankled privacy advocates, who oppose a broadening of surveillance powers—especially on the cusp of Donald Trump’s inauguration. Trump and Mike Pompeo, the president-elect’s nominee for CIA director, have made it clear that they think overzealous civil-liberties protections should be cleared away in favor of stronger surveillance laws.
I thought Alt right wingnuts wanted a STRONGER AMERICA and to MAKE AMERICA GREAT! (it's already great).. so you want tons of privacy and you don't want muslim beheaders coming into your town too? Look, for all the BS about our greatest president in my life Barack Hussein Obama, he was NOT a leftist, the guy was left of middle but hardly a socialist or worse.
So Humpty Trumpty will want MORE surveillance dude.
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siv1|1488825374|4137163 said:lovedogs|1488824922|4137159 said:siv1|1488824795|4137158 said:ruby59|1488824725|4137155 said:
Oh, believe me ruby, I kmow
Very confusing that you both seem honestly confused by the issue here. How is something that Obama said relevant here? And what he said is COMPLETELY REASONABLE. You are trying to justify the Trump administration by Obama saying he'd have more flexibility after the election??? There is literally no logic in that argument.
No, that is not what I am saying. What I AM saying, is that it sounds like Osama had something going on with the Russians.
No it doesn't.. and if it WERE wouldn't the good old alt right idiots Cruz would have been all over it, Paul Ryan would have too, and don't forget little Marco Dumbio, and what about Trey Blowhardy? jeez he'd be crucifying Obama.. LOL.
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siv1|1488824795|4137158 said:ruby59|1488824725|4137155 said:
Oh, believe me ruby, I kmow
In 2012 Obama was the President of the United States and in this capacity, he can negotiate with foreign powers. In 2016, Trump was NOT the President of the United States therefore does NOT have standing to negotiate with foreign powers and if he does, it would be UNDERMINING the government that was in place at the time. It really is a simple concept; it's baffling how people still get confused.
ETA: siv1, are you deliberately misspelling Obama as Osama, or is that autocorrect, or did I misunderstand and you actually meant Osama?
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Tekate|1488826193|4137169 said:
I see the way you people scour the internet for any crumb you can.
So if Trump had played golf after an American was beheaded, it would have been like a dog with a bone around here.
From 2008 you people are still stuck on the P*ssy word.
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ruby59|1488829713|4137187 said:
I think there is nothing Trump could do that you wouldn't defend. Or come up with something Obama did. You sound like a child who is scolded, "but Johnny did worse yesterday!!!" Which a) is questionable b) exaggerated c) irrelevant to our current situation.
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Somehow it always comes back to Obama or Clinton. Trump can't ever be held accountable for his actions without bringing one of them into itsstephensid|1488830215|4137193 said:
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telephone89|1488830837|4137201 said:sstephensid|1488830215|4137193 said:
Somehow it always comes back to Obama or Clinton. Trump can't ever be held accountable for his actions without bringing one of them into it
Thanks, all, for stepping in here. Got too tired of arguing with people who don't use logic so I gave up.
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t-c|1488827006|4137176 said:siv1|1488824795|4137158 said:ruby59|1488824725|4137155 said:
Oh, believe me ruby, I kmow
In 2012 Obama was the President of the United States and in this capacity, he can negotiate with foreign powers. In 2016, Trump was NOT the President of the United States therefore does NOT have standing to negotiate with foreign powers and if he does, it would be UNDERMINING the government that was in place at the time. It really is a simple concept; it's baffling how people still get confused.
ETA: siv1, are you deliberately misspelling Obama as Osama, or is that autocorrect, or did I misunderstand and you actually meant Osama?
I think this is his way of insulting Obama? I decided to ignore it along with the rest of the illogical nonsense.
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Get it? Barack Hussein Obama is probably a Muslim. He is probably not a US citizen. He is probably an undercover Al Qaeda or Isis operative. Which means he is a terrorist who's plan is to ruin and kill the US and US citizens. So funny and cute we can call him Osama.lovedogs|1488831034|4137205 said:t-c|1488827006|4137176 said:siv1|1488824795|4137158 said:ruby59|1488824725|4137155 said:
Oh, believe me ruby, I kmow
In 2012 Obama was the President of the United States and in this capacity, he can negotiate with foreign powers. In 2016, Trump was NOT the President of the United States therefore does NOT have standing to negotiate with foreign powers and if he does, it would be UNDERMINING the government that was in place at the time. It really is a simple concept; it's baffling how people still get confused.
ETA: siv1, are you deliberately misspelling Obama as Osama, or is that autocorrect, or did I misunderstand and you actually meant Osama?
I think this is his way of insulting Obama? I decided to ignore it along with the rest of the illogical nonsense.
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sstephensid|1488831478|4137209 said:lovedogs|1488831034|4137205 said:t-c|1488827006|4137176 said:siv1|1488824795|4137158 said:ruby59|1488824725|4137155 said:
Oh, believe me ruby, I kmow
In 2012 Obama was the President of the United States and in this capacity, he can negotiate with foreign powers. In 2016, Trump was NOT the President of the United States therefore does NOT have standing to negotiate with foreign powers and if he does, it would be UNDERMINING the government that was in place at the time. It really is a simple concept; it's baffling how people still get confused.
ETA: siv1, are you deliberately misspelling Obama as Osama, or is that autocorrect, or did I misunderstand and you actually meant Osama?
I think this is his way of insulting Obama? I decided to ignore it along with the rest of the illogical nonsense.
Get it? Barack Hussein Obama is probably a Muslim. He is probably not a US citizen. He is probably an undercover Al Qaeda or Isis operative. Which means he is a terrorist who's plan is to ruin and kill the US and US citizens. So funny and cute we can call him Osama.
As far as how she spells #44, that is rich considering the many disgusting ways our President's name is mangled.
Or maybe Obama did do something wrong because well he is human and not perfect.
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