Yes, I now see that Pure Grown is the retail distributor-marketer for IIa Technologies based in Singapore:That seems to be the shell of a company revitalised as a marketing company. The original firm was bought by an Indian family that now grows diamonds in Singapore and Malaysia.
Pure Grown have become a distribution firm it seems. I met one of their trainers in Vegas in June who has been an industry gemology teacher for many years.
According to reports that appeared in the local press in March 2015 -- when IIA Technologies launched its 200,000 sq. ft "diamond greenhouse" and research center in the Julong section of Singapore -- its then 250 employees were largely highly-skilled ones, "from Institute of Technical Education graduates to people with doctorate degrees. Most of them studied chemical engineering, mechanical engineering or physics.""that now grows diamonds in Singapore and Malaysia."
I wonder if they pay a Living Wage? Social-consciousness goes hand in hand with eco-consciousness.
Thanks for checking, kind sir!
I have just been on forums for too long and am very cynical, especially of low-post-count new members posting external links lol
I'm wondering about this bolded statement. Isn't the FTC still expecting purveyors of laboratory-grown diamonds to make clear to consumers that these are not mined diamonds? See this report of a discussion with the president and the senior legal counsel for the Jewelers Vigilance CommitteeOur main issue remains the way the synthetic people advertise their product as "ethical", as though nothing else is. Furthermore, by allowing synthetics to be called "diamonds", the FTC made it more difficult for consumers to distinguish one from the other.
Yes, it is clearly the intent of the FTC to eliminate confusion. But it is in the economic interest of synthetic sellers to blur the distinctions. So it remains to be seen how they will market it.I'm wondering about this bolded statement. Isn't the FTC still expecting purveyors of laboratory-grown diamonds to make clear to consumers that these are not mined diamonds? See this report of a discussion with the president and the senior legal counsel for the Jewelers Vigilance Committee
https://www.nationaljeweler.com/maj...ey-changes-the-ftc-made-to-the-jewelry-guides
today's bulletin from IDEX:
http://www.idexonline.com/FullArticle?Id=44163
and new Guidelines §§ 23.12 (c) (3); 23.25; and 23.27:
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...jewelry-precious-metals-and-pewter-industries
There aren't any FTC Guidelines (so far as I know) re using "ethical" or "more ethical" in marketing to us consumers. But there are FTC Guidelines re "eco-friendly" and the like, and it does seem that more than a few lab-grown diamond "brands" or retailers could find themselves jammed up for not following the 2012 Green Guide:I think the nomenclature the FTC has come up with is fair. I just hope the value proposition marketing that sellers do around synthetics is ethical. Currently, some of the sellers are misleading the public in terms of the social responsibility aspects.
Think you're hypothesizing that because the definition of diamond set forth in the FTC's new Guides for the Jewelry, Precious Metals, and Pewter Industries "captures" laboratory-grown diamonds, that means lab-grown diamonds will be surreptitiously lumped in with mined US diamonds for some statistics-based purpose?* * * BTW I believe the FTC has acted this way to enable USA to become a diamond producing country as they import all their [mined] diamonds (minus a tiny amueter mine product).
Thanks for that Molly. Yes, I think 'green' and 'eco-friendly' claims are an appropriate analog.There aren't any FTC Guidelines (so far as I know) re using "ethical" or "more ethical" in marketing to us consumers. But there are FTC Guidelines re "eco-friendly" and the like, and it does seem that more than a few lab-grown diamond "brands" or retailers could find themselves jammed up for not following the 2012 Green Guide:
https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/f...s-revised-green-guides/greenguidessummary.pdf
https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/f...c-issues-revised-green-guides/greenguides.pdf
On the other hand, it seems there are more, and more balanced, summaries of the environmental & socially conscious pros and cons of mined and lab-grown diamonds than I recall from 5-6 years back. I'm seeing those on primarily the websites of primarily brick-and-mortar jewelers that sell both kinds of diamonds, but there are a few websites where I wouldn't have expected to see that more measured approach.
if the social costs of damaging the 90% of people who work in the diamond mining and polishing industry who are dirt poorClaiming 'lab grown diamonds are the socially responsible alternative to natural diamonds' may be deceptive if the social costs of damaging the diamond mining industry are greater than the benefits to society of the synthetic diamond industry.
MM I am not talking about stats. Yes, we have an equivalent in Australia (ACCC) but I am talking global politics and trade wars and balance of payments etcThink you're hypothesizing that because the definition of diamond set forth in the FTC's new Guides for the Jewelry, Precious Metals, and Pewter Industries "captures" laboratory-grown diamonds, that means lab-grown diamonds will be surreptitiously lumped in with mined US diamonds for some statistics-based purpose?
Don't know what statistics or purpose you're thinking of, nor do I know if there is a counterpart to the US Federal Trade Commission Act & the FTC itself in your country, Garry. But the USA FTC's Guides for various industries/trades (not just jewelry-related) are one way of implementing the Congressional prohibition of unfair and deceptive trade practices in commerce. The Guides for the Jewelry, Precious Metals, and Pewter Industries itself notes that "persons, partnerships, or corporations in the business of appraising, identifying, or grading industry products should utilize the terminology and standards set forth in the guides" for the purpose of "prevent[ing] consumer deception." Which is why man-made diamonds still cannot be marketed, even under the new Guides for the Jewelry, etc., as naked "diamonds" with no informative descriptor.
And because the Guides' definitions do not have universal application, I foresee no change in how, e.g., the US Department of the Interior's Geological Survey agency reports on diamonds in its Annual Summaries and Yearbooks where the agency has long been distinguishing mined from synthetic diamonds in its descriptions of data compiled re the yield-production & import-export of industrial diamonds as well as gem-quality diamonds.
if the social costs of damaging the 90% of people who work in the diamond mining and polishing industry who are dirt poor
I agree with most of what you said Bryan.I think we should be focused on the mining sector because the polishers will still be polishing as the market share of synthetics increases. The losers will be the miners and those dependent on the mining industry, who I agree, tend to be among the neediest folks on the planet. And there are many great success stories in terms of community development in diamond mining areas. The economies of whole countries have been transformed due to diamond mining. Botswana is a good example of beneficiation in infrastructure, education and health care.
Excellent points Garry. You raised my awareness.I agree with most of what you said Bryan.
But regarding cutters and those who grade and plan rough, then grade and catagorise the eventual polished - please consider:
1. Synthetic rough is either HPHT and blocky, or more and more is coming out as CVD in flat tablets where depth is the only constraint.
2. in all cases the hardness directions are known and there is no demand for the skilled labour for polishing.
3. this all means automation is far easier to apply to grown rough
4. Natural diamond crystals undergo very expensive planning with hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment per stone operated by engineers with maths and physics education.
5. because there will be fewer rarity related issues (De Beers is not bothering to grade cut, colour or clarity for example) the cutting skills and education and salary requirements will result in loss of good jobs in cutting centers for probably 300,000 to 400,000 people. Mostly in Surat India.
6. demand for grading diamonds will fall away if mined diamonds loose favour. How many people do GIA employ in their labs in India????? It must be a big number of gem educated people who later often find their way into other industry jobs as they have in USA.
According to DDI:
Up to 20% of the world’s gem-quality diamonds are produced by artisanal miners – people who dig for diamonds using rudimentary equipment. Often the whole family is involved, including children. There are 1.5 million artisanal miners in Africa and South America, working in 18 different countries.
And there are many great success stories in terms of community development in diamond mining areas. The economies of whole countries have been transformed due to diamond mining. Botswana is a good example of beneficiation in infrastructure, education and health care.
I have been thinking a lot about what I was going to say in this thread and keep coming back and reading it.
Artisanal mining is where the greatest amount of abuse both to people and the environment is taking place in the industry today.
On the other hand there are a lot of people that rely on it as bad as it is to eat.
At the same time in some cases they are trashing sources of drinking water and poisoning the land and themselves while they are doing it.
On the other hand:
I am a fan of man made diamonds from a technology and a wow shiny perspective.
They are here to stay and will in my opinion grow as a larger and larger part of the industry.
They are not going to go away.
Julie,Bryan, can you point me towards these success stories where miners' lives have been made better through rudimentary pick-and-axe mining, as in, they are moving up the economic scale, eg. health indicators are improving, children are spending more time in school, marriage age is rising? I'm sure you don't think that child miners is a good thing, and any alternatives that these children have surely are not good quality ones, but is mining really the least worse alternative?
You emphasize that traditional miners will lose out the most because they are the poorest.... consider that they are a very small group, only 1.5M people as you said... and in a way have very little to lose. As a thought experiment, it would make much more economic sense for luxury diamond buyers to get simulants/lab-created stones and donate a fraction of the price difference to these impoverished miners. Africa already has been seeing benefits of Chinese investment, globalisation, etc.... if the benefits of the industry are so unequally distributed, maybe it's a great time for some churn.
When I buy French fleur de sel de Carmargue, the carton has the signature (digital, not hand-signed) of the person who hand-raked and harvested it... a lovely little bit of romantic advertising, with emphasis on the human, hand-made manufacture of the product. Fleur de sel is atrociously expensive compared to to the pounds of industrial salt you can buy, and really not any better than standard table or kosher salt. I buy it because it is a gussied-up luxury product (that I can actually afford) that makes me feel like I'm treating myself.
For a long time, diamond retailers have been making the value of a stone dependent on it's physical characteristics, but now that we have lab-made diamonds, perhaps the human elements that go from taking crystal to gem need to be emphasized? Still not sure the image of impoverished child miners working the earth is the right picture.