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After married for 8 years,husband and I walked into Tiffany last week and purchased a 1.67 ct diamond ring as an anniversary gift.The ring is beautiful,but only comes with Tiffany''s lab certificate(Ex/Ex/Ex),no independent certificate (ex.GIA/AGS) At the mean time,another store quoted me an identical design setting ring with a 2.1 center stone. (this diamond comes with AGS report,AGS cut grade is ideal 0)),The best part is the second ring is even cheaper,$2500 less than Tiffany''s. But I can not see the actual setting and diamond until they make the ring for me.So I don''t know if their workmanship is good or not.



Should I return Tiffany''s and go for a bigger diamond or just keep it? Please share your opinions.Thank you in advance. (I have to say I''m not a fan of Tiffany''s diamonds,I only like their settings)




No.1 VVS2 F color (AGS cut: ideal 0)

HCA score is 1.8

Pavilion angle 40.7

crown angle 35.4

Cut: ideal

Depth: 62.0%
Table: 56.4%

Polish: Ideal

Symmetry: Ideal

Girdle: Thin to medium

Culet: None

Fluorescence: Neglible

Measurements: 8.17*8.21*5.08



No.2
1.67 ct (Tiffany''s ex/ex/ex)

HCA score is 2.5

VVS2 F

Table 59%

Crown angle 33.9

Crown height:14.1%

Pavillion angle 41.1

Pavillion depth 43.5%

Total depth 60.8%

star length percentage:55%

lower half length percentage 80%

Girdle :medium-slightly thick
Girdle finish:faceted

Measurements:7.67/7.69/4.67 mm



My concern is Tiffany''s ring looks lack of fire (colored lights),The numbers are not good(Pavillion angle 41.1,Table 59%)Diamond with pavilion angles above 41 can sometimes leak light from the edges of the table.I don''t have an ideal scope,so I really don''t know the light performance of this Tiffany''s diamond.

How about the 2.1 ct diamond? Much better than Tiffany''s? or just comparable?
 
Hi Jady Cat - welcome to PS!
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without analysing the numbers as I admit there''s alot of people around here that are better at that than I, I''m just going to give my opinion based on what you''ve told us.
To start with, who is the other store you refer to and what is their reputation like?
Secondly, would you be open to considering buying online or do you need to purchase from a B&M (bricks and mortar) store. If you do a quick search on PS recommended vendors such as GOG (Good Old Gold) and WF (Whiteflash), you will find they enjoy Excellent reputations with tons of very happy buyers.
Both sell very high quality ideal cut stones and at very reasonable prices. If its s bigger stone you''d like, you can easily take the budget you spent at Tiffany''s at buy an ideal cut RB and a lovely Tiffany repro setting for a fraction of the price, simply as you''re paying the Tiff''s markup.

More importantly, you say you''re not impressed with the T''s diamond, only the setting - this isn''t a good thing as you should be totally enamoured with your new sparkly
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There are also PS highly recommended designers such as Leon Mege and Mark Morrell that have made settings that outshine any Tiffany (imho).

So, in short, my vote is to return it and go from there. PS''ers are always more than happy to help you in searching for your perfect diamond and setting. If you are unsure about any of the names I have mentioned just do a quick search on here and you can read the posts of those that have purchased and worked with them.

Good luck!
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Thanks for the reply.

The stone/setting actually comes from jamesallen.I know their website is very reputable.I''m just not sure the stone.

Just based on numbers? which diamond is a clear winner? Thank you
 
I vote for the James Allen. But I would drop alittle in color and clarity and get a bigger stone!
 
Welcome!

Jane gives good advice, so to add on from what she said, personally, I prefer the numbers of the non Tiffany diamond. I am sure the Tiffany diamond is lovely, but it it too much money to spend if you aren't completely happy with it ( or close to it.) As to the second diamond, James Allen is an excellent vendor with a great rep here. You can do a search to read up on others' experiences with him. He does offer a trade in policy too which you might want to read through carefully, in case this may ever be an option. Also to the best of my knowledge, many have been pleased with his workmanship with the settings. He may also be able to offer you Idealscope images and photos of the diamond if you request them. By the way, I think Tiffany diamonds come with their own grading reports and not necessarily GIA, someone else can probably verify this.

I just wanted to mention, did you particularly want VVS clarity? You could drop to VS and still have a very clean diamond, but this is a personal preference.

I hope this helps a bit.
 
Thank you for all the replies.I prefer a colorless stone with VVS clarity. The 2.1 ct diamond with crown angle 35.4,is it a problem? I believe the ideal range is 34-35.
 
Date: 4/13/2008 10:33:50 AM
Author: jady_cat
Thank you for all the replies.I prefer a colorless stone with VVS clarity. The 2.1 ct diamond with crown angle 35.4,is it a problem? I believe the ideal range is 34-35.
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No, the pavilion angle seems to be in a range where it may be complementary, that is why it is a good idea to get an Idealscope to confirm the crown and pavilion are a good combo in this case, but it is possible they are. The preferred crown angle many like here is between 34 and 35 degrees, along with a pavilion angle of 40.6 to 41, but basically the pavilion angle can be crucial, the crown angle going over 35 degrees not so much, and indeed this diamond has been given the AGS0 cut grade, which suggests this diamond will perform well. Some feel that a steeper crown angle can help a diamond display a little more fire or coloured light if the lighting conditions are right, but this depends on the individual stone.

I would ask the folk at James Allen for an Idealscope image for this diamond, and also for one of their advisors to talk you through this stone and it's personality, and attributes. They will be able to advise you and if this diamond isn't suitable for you - should you decide to return the Tiffany one - or be able to suggest alternatives to you if this one isn't right.
 
Date: 4/13/2008 10:51:54 AM
Author: Lorelei

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Nice selections!
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Fankies.
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Ellen

You are so warm-hearted ! Thank you for the links.The JA link is here:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1121281.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

I''m a picky person,I refer my diamond is ex/ex/ex,VVS2,F,FL-none
 
Date: 4/13/2008 11:14:32 AM
Author: jady_cat
Ellen

You are so warm-hearted ! Thank you for the links.The JA link is here:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1121281.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

I'm a picky person,I refer my diamond is ex/ex/ex,VVS2,F,FL-none
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No problem, I understand! And you're welcome.

I would suggest then, as others have, to get an IS on it. If that looks good, you could be in business!


ETA, thanks Lore!
 
Lorelei:

Thank you for your advice. Jamesallen has nothing else to offer! (execpt fot the diamond image and AGS report) That''s why I hesitated to decide.

I hope anyone here good at those numbers can give me suggestion.
 
Date: 4/13/2008 12:14:58 PM
Author: jady_cat
Lorelei:

Thank you for your advice. Jamesallen has nothing else to offer! (execpt fot the diamond image and AGS report) That''s why I hesitated to decide.
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Have you asked them for an Idealscope pic? As far as I know, they will get you one if you ask.
 
Yes. They said "no"

Since I have no way to see this diamond in real life before purchasing,I really don''t know what to do...
 
Date: 4/13/2008 12:26:08 PM
Author: jady_cat
Yes. They said ''no''

Since I have no way to see this diamond in real life before purchasing,I really don''t know what to do...
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Do you know if this means '' no they don''t have one, but could get you one possibly,'' or just no?
 
Actually I have been discussing diamonds with JA for the past 2 months.I guess they have lost patience with me

They even said "I really think your inability to make a decision is hurting you



These beautiful diamonds I am quoting will soon be sold and you will have even fewer choices"
 
Date: 4/13/2008 12:37:39 PM
Author: jady_cat
Actually I have been discussing diamonds with JA for the past 2 months.I guess they have lost patience with me

They even said 'I really think your inability to make a decision is hurting you



These beautiful diamonds I am quoting will soon be sold and you will have even fewer choices'
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Wow. I'm sorry, but when one is spending this kind of money on something sight unseen, I think it's the least they can do to provide an IS pic. I mean, it's not like they can't, they have one on all their H&A stones. Between this, and their upgrade policy, I don't care for the taste in my mouth.

I suppose if you really wanted, you could bring the stone home and check it out, as they do have a good return policy. But if it was me, I'd contact one of the other well regarded vendors who give much more info, without even being asked (because they DO understand why we want/need it), and enlist them to find you a stone.

Just my humble 2 pennies.
 
JMHO, but the arrows (tips) don't all seem to line up as nicely as a true H&A. Maybe it's just the pic? If it were me, I'd care less about having a VVS stone and go with one of the gorgeous GOG stones that Ellen posted. You'd save a bundle, plus they look like better stones to me...

ETA: and I agree with Ellen - it sounds like JA is being RUDE - so what if you have been indecisive - that's a heck of a lot of $$$ to be spending. And like Ellen said, their upgrade policy leaves a lot to be desired. I'd contact GOG or WF and leave JA alone.
 
Date: 4/13/2008 12:52:07 PM
Author: ImpatientOne
JMHO, but the arrows (tips) don't all seem to line up as nicely as a true H&A. Maybe it's just the pic? If it were me, I'd care less about having a VVS stone and go with one of the gorgeous GOG stones that Ellen posted. You'd save a bundle, plus they look like better stones to me...

ETA: and I agree with Ellen - it sounds like JA is being RUDE - so what if you have been indecisive - that's a heck of a lot of $$$ to be spending. And like Ellen said, their upgrade policy leaves a lot to be desired. I'd contact GOG or WF and leave JA alone.
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It isn't a H&A diamond IM
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A diamond can display a hearts and arrows pattern but not be a true H&A, please forgive me if you know this already!

Also JadyCat, could you consider dropping the clarity a bit? Of course this is a personal preference, but it would broaden your options much more, I did a search for more diamonds you might like using your desired specs, and unfortunately pickings are slim.
 
Thanks for all the nice words.

I don''t want to badmouth JA.That''s why I didn''t mention those mean words at the very beginning.Hubby wants me keep Tiffany''s because of JA''s attitude. But Tiffany ring costs $41500 after tax...

GOG doesn''t have many VVS2/F color stones to choose from Otherwise I would buy from them
 
Jady, GOG has access to several diamond suppliers. So just because what you want isn't showing in their inventory, that doesn't mean they can't eventually find it for you. And that would go for most 2+ ct. stones, no matter what the specs, they just don't grow on trees unfortunately.
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And I will agree, though I know that's what you want, that you really are limiting yourself with that one clarity level.
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p.s. Don't be sorry about telling us what JA said, we really need to know such things.
 
VS1/VS2 : I can accept if no clouds/crystals/feathers in the center of the table
 
Date: 4/13/2008 1:10:37 PM
Author: jady_cat
VS1/VS2 : I can accept if no clouds/crystals/feathers in the center of the table
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Ok, also I take it colour F or higher? Would you consider G or is your cutoff F?
 
G is also acceptable

Again Thank you for all the support.I''m deeply touched, I should have come to this forum earlier
 
Date: 4/13/2008 1:17:09 PM
Author: jady_cat
G is also acceptable

Again Thank you for all the support.I''m deeply touched, I should have come to this forum earlier
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You are most welcome, we enjoy helping where we can!
 
Date: 4/13/2008 1:17:09 PM
Author: jady_cat
G is also acceptable

Again Thank you for all the support.I'm deeply touched, I should have come to this forum earlier
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Oh, I have gazed fondly at this stone for a while now. *swoon*

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/3283/

The only thing is, it has med fluorescence, which I think you did not want?



And Lorelei's right, we love to help.
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If this stone isn't for you, just call GOG on Tuesday, they're closed on Mondays. Ask to speak to Jon, he'll help you out!
 
Date: 4/13/2008 1:25:25 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 4/13/2008 1:17:09 PM
Author: jady_cat
G is also acceptable

Again Thank you for all the support.I''m deeply touched, I should have come to this forum earlier
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Oh, I have gazed fondly at this stone for a while now. *swoon*

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/3283/

The only thing is, it has med fluorescence, which I think you did not want?



And Lorelei''s right, we love to help.
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If this stone isn''t for you, just call GOG on Tuesday, they''re closed on Mondays. Ask to speak to Jon, he''ll help you out!
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YUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I''ll definitely call GOG for more information.

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/3283/

Pavilion angle is 41.09

Someone told me that Diamond with pavilion angles above 41 can sometimes leak light from the edges of the table.

How to see light performance from picture? I totally have no clue.
 
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