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MJ98

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I'm at crunch time now as I have 2.5 weeks to get a ring made. I sent a lot of diamond cert numbers to the dealer I am using hoping for one to come out okay. He has recommended one in particular and I just wanted to see what people think of it?

http://segoma.com/v.php?type=view&id=J2AL45H9QQ

It clearly has a lot of marks on it but I have been told that the supplier confirmed it is 100% eye clean and that the supplier also gave a positive report on it. I get the marks may be quite faint and that maybe many small marks are better than a couple of big ones but I just find it looks unappealing. I've spent so long trying to find the best I can I just don't want to be pushed into something because i'm becoming a constant hassle to someone!

Could anyone offer an opinion? This is the only image I will be able to get for this diamond.

Specs:
Triple Excellent
SI1
G
0.53 carat
Depth: 61.1
Table: 57
Crown Angle: 34.5
Pavilion Angle: 40.6
Medium girdle - 3.5%
Inclusions: Crystal, Cloud
HCA : 0.8

Thanks
 
Hi, you may want to ask the supplier at what distance is the stone eye clean. The link you sent was to a magnified image.
 
You are paying for an SI1 stone so there will be inclusions. Hopefully it is priced as such.

I think it has a very good chance of being eye clean! If it was a 2 carat the clarity is proportional to size. Looks like a nice diamond
 
absolutme77 - I think they're just talking at face value without any magnification.

gm89uk - Okay that makes me feel a bit better but it's the most expensive stone I've looked at. It's about £1500, I guess partly because it's a bit bigger than others I've looked at but pricey compared to stones from the US.

Therefore taking the inclusions into account I'm not sure if this represents great value.
 
Try this.

Go to the images tab to look at the regular image, not the 3D image.

Right click the image and download it.

Open the image with an actual editor program, like Microsoft Paint.

Shrink it down to 4mm. See if you can see the inclusions.

This isn't exactly a perfect test what with a photograph and a computer program. Exactly what you need to do will depend on your computer and what is installed.

What I'm getting at is that the "dirty" area at 4 o'clock is about 1 mm square, and the crystal/lump at 5 o'clock is maybe .25 mm.

That said, you should never buy a diamond you can't return, and if the fact that the inclusions are there is going to bother you forever, then you shouldn't get this diamond.
 
Hi ChristineRose, thanks for your message.

That's a different way to think about it yes. I guess you mean it from the perspective that those areas are going to be so small to the human eye that its going to be extremely difficult and unlikely to be noticed. At the end of the day, my partner will be happy with whatever I get her. I just like to get the best value I can as I still see it as an investment and don't want to get something worse when I could have had better for the same money.

I think my concerns stem from the fact that I don't mind inclusions on the premise that I can maximise fire, scintillation etc. But with only getting one image like this it means I have no control over the other factors which perhaps makes me tighten up a bit. My other concern is, with this diamond in particular - I can return it, but due to the time frame I now have available its going to need to go straight into a custom setting without me seeing it.

I have had diamonds (some I posted on this forum) which looked better, had pretty good IdealScope imaging and generally looked good. These cost less, but didn't get a great review from the supplier which resulted in me being told no to go with it. This on the other hand, has far more inclusions visible, less information and is quite a bit more expensive (partly due to a slight size increase), yet it has had favourable feedback from the supplier.

My summary question to you (or whoever wants to reply) would be: Is this possibly two suppliers having different levels of subjectivity
(influenced by desire to sell stock vs. relationship to dealer etc) or is it just the case that you can't judge a book by its cover e.g just because a diamond with full imaging looks better, the more visibly included one could still be nicer in person?

Thanks again.
 
MJ98|1488297596|4134625 said:
My summary question to you (or whoever wants to reply) would be: Is this possibly two suppliers having different levels of subjectivity
(influenced by desire to sell stock vs. relationship to dealer etc) or is it just the case that you can't judge a book by its cover e.g just because a diamond with full imaging looks better, the more visibly included one could still be nicer in person?
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Doubtful, seems like a lie to get you to spend more money to me. What were your other options? I'd trust regular PSers over a vendor any day--we have no skin in the game, no money on the table, no reason to get you to spend more.
 
rubybeth|1488301422|4134670 said:
MJ98|1488297596|4134625 said:
My summary question to you (or whoever wants to reply) would be: Is this possibly two suppliers having different levels of subjectivity
(influenced by desire to sell stock vs. relationship to dealer etc) or is it just the case that you can't judge a book by its cover e.g just because a diamond with full imaging looks better, the more visibly included one could still be nicer in person?
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Doubtful, seems like a lie to get you to spend more money to me. What were your other options? I'd trust regular PSers over a vendor any day--we have no skin in the game, no money on the table, no reason to get you to spend more.
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The best one I found and was thinking about buying was at the link below. All seemed good but I was told the supplier had said it wasn't a good SI1.

https://www.pricescope.com/communit...th-full-imaging.228948/#post-4134479#p4134479

The price increase is around £100, but I've been hassling them for weeks so i would have though that they would just want to be rid of me by then so was shocked when they said it was no good as its taken another two weeks of searching to get to this point.

I mean if no one on here can see a reason why that is a 'bad' SI1 then i'm more than happy to go ahead with it now. I'm just worried as they've told me it's not as good.

Thanks
 
Hi There,

With a grade setting/only inclusion being a cloud, it's likely to impact the brilliance/sparkle of the diamond so personally I would stay away from that one.

With the G SI1 that you posted above, I've tried to minimise the video as small as I can (which is still magnified) and I think it's highly likely to be eye clean. Did the vendor say at what distance it was eye clean at and did he scrutinise the stone or just glanced at it?

I myself have an SI1 and it has a black crystal on the table. It would be eye clean to everyone, but I've been able to find it at like 3 inches viewing distance because I'm short sighted also so I have magnified vision up close. Can't be seen at normal viewing distance. Since the inclusions in your stone are light in colour, it would be harder to detect.

Has the vendor offered any other options?
 
istase2000|1488320280|4134850 said:
Hi There,

With a grade setting/only inclusion being a cloud, it's likely to impact the brilliance/sparkle of the diamond so personally I would stay away from that one.

With the G SI1 that you posted above, I've tried to minimise the video as small as I can (which is still magnified) and I think it's highly likely to be eye clean. Did the vendor say at what distance it was eye clean at and did he scrutinise the stone or just glanced at it?

I myself have an SI1 and it has a black crystal on the table. It would be eye clean to everyone, but I've been able to find it at like 3 inches viewing distance because I'm short sighted also so I have magnified vision up close. Can't be seen at normal viewing distance. Since the inclusions in your stone are light in colour, it would be harder to detect.

Has the vendor offered any other options?
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Thanks for your help and i'll take your advice on the one from the other thread.

So basically to explain why I don't know the distance it is eye clean at. I am in touch with someone pretty much in charge of quite a large UK jewellery company (his surname is on the brand). I usually go through their diamonds every few days with a strict cut criteria and then send him the 4 or 5 I find. He then looks to see if there are any images available (there are barely any on the customer side) for me and gets reports on these from the supplier regarding if they are eye clean and generally if they think they are good SI1's. I would say 80-90% have been rejected based on the supplier response. At first they were surprised I was being quite strict and thorough, as the company prides itself on selling eye clean SI1's but I think the rejection rate justifies what I am doing. Therefore I do not know how thoroughly the supplier has looked at the diamond but due to consistent rejection I would hope fairly thoroughly.

I have been offered one other possible option. The guy I speak to recommended the one at the top of this thread over this one (which I have attached below). He said he *thinks* it will be eye clean but I think it is a bit more questionable than the one above.

690569-2.jpg
690569as.jpg

Specs:
0.54 carat
F
SI1
Triple Ex
Depth: 62.1 %
Table: 56 %
Crown Angle: 36.0°
Pavilion Angle: 40.6°
HCA: Under 2
Inclusions: Crystal, Needle

As you will see it's all that black that is why the other one is recommended as there is more of a risk it will be visible I guess.

To be honest, unless someone in the next couple of hours turns around and says this new one is worth a gamble I think i'll pull the trigger on the original one in this thread, as responses have not been more positive than I thought, thankfully.

Thanks
 
Why are you only limited to these few stones? There are hundreds of round diamonds in this size/color/clarity range. Have you called or consulted any of the well known PS vendors here?
 
Between the 3 options, I would pick the G SI1 as it looks cleaner and has safer proportions
I'm sure it'll be a beauty
 
MissGotRocks said:
Why are you only limited to these few stones? There are hundreds of round diamonds in this size/color/clarity range. Have you called or consulted any of the well known PS vendors here?
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I've probably looked at around 30 stones in the last 6 weeks.

There's a whole host of reasons including:
- I'm in the UK so for the size stone i'm looking at images are very scarce (even just 10x magnification has been difficult to get).
- I cannot get to a shop to look at some.
- Restricted by budget.
- The dealer I am using has the setting I want which costs me quite a bit less to buy a diamond from them.
- I will need to finance it, which again this dealer has by far the best option as it is free.
- Rather than looking through 100's of stones (although I have searched several hundred over the course of this), I have been using very specific cut criteria to get me stones that are under a HCA of 2 much quicker. This has meant I don't need to sift through as much and has been successful as I have compared it to not using it.

Ultimately it always comes down to the same thing though, the images. I would say in the 30 diamonds I have asked them about, 2 have had IdealScope images and about 12 have had magnification images. Probably 9 or 10 of these (plus quite a few of the 18 without images were knocked out by suppliers saying there weren't good SI1's.)

It's unfortunate that I also have my highest work load right now in years, so overall it's been a bit of a pain and now time has almost run out!

istase2000 said:
Between the 3 options, I would pick the G SI1 as it looks cleaner and has safer proportions
I'm sure it'll be a beauty
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Thanks. I need to wait until tomorrow to sort it now so will see if any last minute things pop up, otherwise i'm taking the plunge!
 
That last .54 F, I would eliminate. I can believe the G could be eyeclean, and it would help to have a prong in that area of inclusions when it is set.
 
MJ98|1488279991|4134582 said:
absolutme77 - I think they're just talking at face value without any magnification.

gm89uk - Okay that makes me feel a bit better but it's the most expensive stone I've looked at. It's about £1500, I guess partly because it's a bit bigger than others I've looked at but pricey compared to stones from the US.

Therefore taking the inclusions into account I'm not sure if this represents great value.
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Hi MJ98. The GSi1 is probably you're best option right now from what you've posted. Buying from the UK still is not cheaper. With the exchange rate being 1.24, and VAT + duty rate being ~x1.225 your budget including shipping is around 1.24/1.225*1500 (or turn the 1.225 to 1.2 for a loose stone) so around ~$1520 to $1550.

These are then to me, more cost effective alternatives, and better clarities. Additionally B2C will give you images you request:
(remember to ask about pricescope discounts)

My top choices in order: *EDIT B2C seems to have changed their website, copy and paste the links instead of clicking them

1) http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9077208/0-51-carat-round-diamond-g-color-vs1-clarity $1402. Looks well cut!

2) http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9108815/0-57-carat-round-diamond-g-color-vs2-clarity S1458

3) http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9121240/0-51-carat-round-diamond-g-color-vs2-clarity?sku=9121240&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com $1388

4) http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9102137/0-51-carat-round-diamond-d-color-si1-clarity $1393, although small carbon black inclusion on table. Ask if eyeclean as I only have a 2D image in front of me.

If you show us the setting you want, I'm pretty sure someone can advise how you how else it can be done. Many of the American companies can finance as well.

All diamonds above have good numbers

JA options (as I believe they have relatively good finance options:
TOP OF BUDGET:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.50-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2366336

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.50-carat-f-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2533128 (prongable inclusion) very clean damond otherwise

Saying that, I do think the G SI1 you have found is a pretty good choice. I don't think the photography is excellent which doesn't help.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
That last .54 F, I would eliminate. I can believe the G could be eyeclean, and it would help to have a prong in that area of inclusions when it is set.
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Typically the setting doesn't really have prongs but i think it will still be okay now :angel:

gm89uk said:
MJ98|1488279991|4134582 said:
absolutme77 - I think they're just talking at face value without any magnification.

gm89uk - Okay that makes me feel a bit better but it's the most expensive stone I've looked at. It's about £1500, I guess partly because it's a bit bigger than others I've looked at but pricey compared to stones from the US.

Therefore taking the inclusions into account I'm not sure if this represents great value.
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Hi MJ98. The GSi1 is probably you're best option right now from what you've posted. Buying from the UK still is not cheaper. With the exchange rate being 1.24, and VAT + duty rate being ~x1.225 your budget including shipping is around 1.24/1.225*1500 (or turn the 1.225 to 1.2 for a loose stone) so around ~$1520 to $1550.

These are then to me, more cost effective alternatives, and better clarities. Additionally B2C will give you images you request:
(remember to ask about pricescope discounts)

If you show us the setting you want, I'm pretty sure someone can advise how you how else it can be done. Many of the American companies can finance as well.

All diamonds above have good numbers

JA options (as I believe they have relatively good finance options:
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Hey gm89uk, thanks for putting the effort in and putting all those stones up for me. I checked with James Allen and they only finance in the US and unfortunately B2C don't finance either. The only option there would be to use Paypal financing. Unfortunately I am ineligible for this as i've never had any debt and don't use credit cards, so I have no credit rating!

The other thing (i can't remember if i mentioned) is that to supply your own diamond will cost me an extra £150.
gm89uk said:
Saying that, I do think the G SI1 you have found is a pretty good choice. I don't think the photography is excellent which doesn't help.
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I really appreciate the advice everyone has given and I only have 2 weeks to get the ring made (which is pretty much the turnaround on it). Therefore, I think I'm going to suck it up and buy the G SI1 tomorrow. I think as I found some diamonds that the imaging looked great but turned out unfavourable I just got a bit spoilt with the aesthetics. I'm sure once I get the final product in my hands to give her and its only that tiny little speck I will forget about the last 6 weeks of diamond hunting! People in this thread have looked at it quite favourably compared to what I expected anyway :angel:

It's been a really interesting experience and I've learnt a lot during it, now I just hope it's still available in the morning!
 
Okay that's it. Job done, ring ordered.

And now I wait and hope everything goes smoothly...


Thanks for everyones help! :angel:
 
Congratulations!! Please show us the ring when you receive it :appl:
 
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