Please help with 2 emerald-cut ASET images...

[Ella]

Please be respectful of the OP. This thread is about HER ASET images. No other discussions should be occurring on her thread.

 

[bgray]

So Lily --whats your plan?

 

[lily000]

The plan is to call one of these diamonds my own very soon!! I''m not 100% sure which one yet. Ultimately, the plan is to set the diamond with two trapezoids (like Gummibear''s, my main inspiration)...and then finally get engaged!

 

[bgray]

OOOO I love trapezoids!

 

[Dreamer_D]

I love gummibear''s ring!!! It is my favourite!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Did you see UCLAbelle''s Tiffany? https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-re-set-yes-another.120074/

 

[Po10472]

Hi Lily

What an exciting time for you choosing your EC.

From a quick inspection, I prefer the first one, it has a nice shape and facets however, I would want as much information on the diamond first before making any decisions on purchase. Fancies are so non-prescriptive and really down to individual taste and its amazing how that varies across the board. You''re in safe hands with JA and GOG if you decide to go with them and whatever you decide, you''ll get a kickin diamond so I''m looking forward to the end result.

Good luck with your search.......... Po x


An aside - net-bashing one of the most respected and knowledgeable pro-sumers on here has achieved nothing but a detrimental affect on your own reputation and your behaviour was extremely disrespectful to the OP, this leaves a sour taste in my mouth that someone looking for info gets caught up in this pointless nonsense.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 3/18/2010 5:03:43 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 3/18/2010 5:01:26 PM

Author: kenny

move over kenny! ::sits down, shares popcorn::

 

[Cehrabehra]

I will refrain from any further comments beyond stating that I applaud and support Lorelei and her PROsumer quest that thinks of providing us with information we should have up front rather than concerning herself foremost with "wasting the vendors time" with requests for information. Good grief it''s hard to leave it at that with the ridiculousness seen here but I will.

Anyway Lily - congrats on your upcoming engagement and I hope you find a stone you love and love the stone you choose!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 3/18/2010 6:07:13 PM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 3/18/2010 6:04:38 PM

Author: lily000

Date: 3/18/2010 5:49:26 PM

Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 3/18/2010 4:59:05 PM

Author: Lorelei

Date: 3/18/2010 4:52:17 PM

Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 3/18/2010 4:14:54 PM

Author: Karl_K

While I feel there are some problems with the ASET images the current setup is producing it is making the diamonds look worse than they really are so I''m not that worried about consumers being harmed.


These are both classic style EC''s, large tables and most likely flat crowns(get the CH), fairly bright but not a lot of life due to the lack of med and small virtual facets.

It is the classic look and some people do love it.

Many prefer the more modern look with smaller tables and higher crowns.

For the classic type they both look pretty good with my preference being the first one as it has slightly better brightness potential if someone loves that type.

Okay then Karl,

You are the resident expert on step cuts on these forums so I respect your opinion far more than Lorelei.


So then lets say theoretically we run the sarin and its comes back these have a 9-10% crown height then what will you say?

Lets say it comes back 12% then what? Or lets say it comes back within the ''ideal range'' of 12 - 15% what then what should Lorelei tell the consumer who already looked at the stones and isnt'' sure these are the best they can find?


Is the only purpose for running this sarin if it comes back below 10% you will say its a flat top and reject them?


I just don''t get it.


The bigger problem on these forums is that you as a tradesmember can''t comment on another vendor''s stones so please do assume we are not talking about these particular stones just in general. The subjective judgement and person using this information will be Lorelei not from you.

And your point is?

Lorelei,


I spent considerable time here asking you to think about why you are asking for the information you are. You haven''t once explained what Crown Height % range you are looking for or what you will be doing with it. The fact that you can''t explain what numbers you are looking for speaks volumes.


Then 4 days after that thread https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/opinions-on-cushion-please.136272/ you ask for a crown height on a stone that had just about the worst ASET I''ve seen for a 4 main cushion. The comments in the thread were not positive on that stone yet still your request for Sarin to get crown height remained.


Given that PS is a club and publicly tradesmembers don''t and cannot say what they really think I decided to ask a few PS vendors about whether your request had any merit or whether you were wasting James Allen''s time. The responses were unanimous I should have questioned you on it as you were wasting the vendor''s time.


Please feel free to answer the same questions I posed to Karl, your opinion will be respected as much as his if you can support your opinion with proof to explain the merits and interpretation of such information.


As a scientist I have been trained to judge information on its own merits and not be clouded by the person who is providing the information. The simple fact that you have an excellent general knowledge of diamonds, have helped thousands of consumers and have 36,000 posts is not enough, you have not demonstrated the expertise to evaluate crown height percentages.

It is to me. And I did start the thread - asking a question, which Lorelei kindly answered.

Lily,


I also want to help you. I feel you are wasting your time and the vendors by asking JA for a sarin. You either accept these diamonds as they are,or you continue your selection process, the crown height even if it falls within the ideal range will not change the appearance of the diamonds you have already seen.



I agree with Paul-Antwerp about his advice that if you are looking for the top light performance from an emerald cut that you seek out a vendor with a particular expertise in the selection of fancy diamonds for light performance.

You will likely pay more to find a top performing emerald cut and given your preferences it may be difficult to satisfy all of your criteria.


As an alternative you may consider contacting Jon at Goodoldgold as he is just about the most selective vendor particularly when it comes to fancy shape diamonds. I don''t see anything that would meet your criteria on the GOG website so you would have to ask him by phone or e-mail.







I would also point out that James Allen is an excellent vendor but their model is different from GOGs they have excellent pricing and provide a lot of information to consumers but they are nearly as fanactical about light performance as you will see on the GOG website.

Date: 3/18/2010 6:07:13 PM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 3/18/2010 6:04:38 PM

Author: lily000

Date: 3/18/2010 5:49:26 PM

Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 3/18/2010 4:59:05 PM

Author: Lorelei

Date: 3/18/2010 4:52:17 PM

Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 3/18/2010 4:14:54 PM

Author: Karl_K

While I feel there are some problems with the ASET images the current setup is producing it is making the diamonds look worse than they really are so I''m not that worried about consumers being harmed.


These are both classic style EC''s, large tables and most likely flat crowns(get the CH), fairly bright but not a lot of life due to the lack of med and small virtual facets.

It is the classic look and some people do love it.

Many prefer the more modern look with smaller tables and higher crowns.

For the classic type they both look pretty good with my preference being the first one as it has slightly better brightness potential if someone loves that type.

Okay then Karl,

You are the resident expert on step cuts on these forums so I respect your opinion far more than Lorelei.


So then lets say theoretically we run the sarin and its comes back these have a 9-10% crown height then what will you say?

Lets say it comes back 12% then what? Or lets say it comes back within the ''ideal range'' of 12 - 15% what then what should Lorelei tell the consumer who already looked at the stones and isnt'' sure these are the best they can find?


Is the only purpose for running this sarin if it comes back below 10% you will say its a flat top and reject them?


I just don''t get it.


The bigger problem on these forums is that you as a tradesmember can''t comment on another vendor''s stones so please do assume we are not talking about these particular stones just in general. The subjective judgement and person using this information will be Lorelei not from you.

And your point is?

Lorelei,


I spent considerable time here asking you to think about why you are asking for the information you are. You haven''t once explained what Crown Height % range you are looking for or what you will be doing with it. The fact that you can''t explain what numbers you are looking for speaks volumes.


Then 4 days after that thread https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/opinions-on-cushion-please.136272/ you ask for a crown height on a stone that had just about the worst ASET I''ve seen for a 4 main cushion. The comments in the thread were not positive on that stone yet still your request for Sarin to get crown height remained.


Given that PS is a club and publicly tradesmembers don''t and cannot say what they really think I decided to ask a few PS vendors about whether your request had any merit or whether you were wasting James Allen''s time. The responses were unanimous I should have questioned you on it as you were wasting the vendor''s time.


Please feel free to answer the same questions I posed to Karl, your opinion will be respected as much as his if you can support your opinion with proof to explain the merits and interpretation of such information.


As a scientist I have been trained to judge information on its own merits and not be clouded by the person who is providing the information. The simple fact that you have an excellent general knowledge of diamonds, have helped thousands of consumers and have 36,000 posts is not enough, you have not demonstrated the expertise to evaluate crown height percentages.

It is to me. And I did start the thread - asking a question, which Lorelei kindly answered.

Lily,


I also want to help you. I feel you are wasting your time and the vendors by asking JA for a sarin. You either accept these diamonds as they are,or you continue your selection process, the crown height even if it falls within the ideal range will not change the appearance of the diamonds you have already seen.



I agree with Paul-Antwerp about his advice that if you are looking for the top light performance from an emerald cut that you seek out a vendor with a particular expertise in the selection of fancy diamonds for light performance.

You will likely pay more to find a top performing emerald cut and given your preferences it may be difficult to satisfy all of your criteria.


As an alternative you may consider contacting Jon at Goodoldgold as he is just about the most selective vendor particularly when it comes to fancy shape diamonds. I don''t see anything that would meet your criteria on the GOG website so you would have to ask him by phone or e-mail.







I would also point out that James Allen is an excellent vendor but their model is different from GOGs they have excellent pricing and provide a lot of information to consumers but they are nearly as fanactical about light performance as you will see on the GOG website.

okay one more post - you sound almost a danger to this community telling people who come here NOT to request or expect certain types of basic information. Shame on you!!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/19/2010 8:44:07 AM
Author: Cehrabehra
I will refrain from any further comments beyond stating that I applaud and support Lorelei and her PROsumer quest that thinks of providing us with information we should have up front rather than concerning herself foremost with 'wasting the vendors time' with requests for information. Good grief it's hard to leave it at that with the ridiculousness seen here but I will.

Anyway Lily - congrats on your upcoming engagement and I hope you find a stone you love and love the stone you choose!

Cehra,

I just wanted to say thanks for your very kind words and especially as you are someone I have learned from and respect very much, it means a lot to me. I also don't know if I ever thanked you properly for all your hard work and research concerning cushions in particular, you are a true pioneer and we owe you a lot for all the work and info you brought to Pricescope, but I would like to take the opportunity to do so now. Also appreciated is the generous way you have shared such information

 

[emeraldlover1]

lily...gummi''s ring is so beautiful. Nice choice. Actually, the two stones you posted remind me of her stone. Anyway, I slightly prefer the one with the smaller table but that is just a personal preference. Being that I own an emerald cut and can view it all day long from many different views, I know I wouldn''t be happy with a large table. That being said the difference in that size stone may be so minimal that I think you may just have to let your heart decide.

Good luck. Oh and...as a consumer who is spending thousands of dollars on a purchase you should feel free to request as much information about something that may become yours even if in the end you decide it isn''t useful.

 

[Ella]

Again, focus on the OP or this thread will be closed.

OP, you are welcome to start a fresh thread if you would prefer.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Yes, Lily when you have more information or want additional help ,why not start a new thread so we can focus on you exclusively?

 

[lily000]

Ok, I''ll start a new thread with any further questions or developments.

[Dreamer (what cute doggies you have! btw)- yes, I do know UCLAbelle''s ring. That''s another one I''ve stared at longer than I should admit! And Po and EM1, you both have such lovely striking rings.]

Thanks again to everyone that replied.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/19/2010 10:44:46 PM
Author: lily000
Ok, I'll start a new thread with any further questions or developments.

[Dreamer (what cute doggies you have! btw)- yes, I do know UCLAbelle's ring. That's another one I've stared at longer than I should admit! And Po and EM1, you both have such lovely striking rings.]

Thanks again to everyone that replied.

Please do Lily and we will be pleased to help you there! Let us know when there are any further developments.