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Please help: Tiffany 3 excellent cut but HCA score not good?

grace7672

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I'm a new member who is anxiously searching for the ideal rock. After much debating I set my eyes on Tiffany even though I know I would be paying a premium for this brand name. After 8 years of marriage and two kids, I thought...Okay, let's just splurge and see what happens...

My husband and I paid a visit to the store last week. They must have increased price (many times) that I was shocked by the price tag. I was also amazed by the diamond beauty and at the same time disturbed that I could not even tell the color difference between D and G. Wrting down some numbers and getting a name card, we left with a lot of hesitation.

Even though I'm by no means an expert, I know the HCA tool through this forum and some other places. So I emailed the sales to ask for lab reports on the two diamonds that he recommended. He didn't send me the report, but did give me the parameters as below:

#1

total depth 60.2
table 59.0
crown angle 33.6
pavilion angle 41.2

#2

total depth 62.8
table 55
crown angle 35.3
pavilion angle 41.0

And he said both pieces have no cutlet and no fluorescence. Plus, he said "these stones are all excellent cut, excellent polish and excellent symmetry, amazing pieces."

I immediately input these numbers into HCA tool. I expected to get a score < 2. However, #1 is 2.9 and #2 is 3.3. (#2 has smaller table so I guess it will look about the same size as #1 even though its carat weight is slightly higher.) Both scores indicate: Very Good - Worth buying if the price is right. Ya right...the fact is the price is already very high compared to other channels.

Can anybody help me out? Doesn't Tiffany have excellent cut? I'm sure if I go to store to see these two stones I will again see a lot of sparkle. But I don't trust my eyes...I can't get over the poor (relatively) scores from the HCA. Which one shall I trust more? Tiffany or the HCA tool? It seems the problem is with the pavilion angle being too big. If I change them to 35.5 I would get perfect scores. Please advise!
 
Re: Please help: Tiffany 3 excellent cut but HCA score not g

Welcome to PS.

How sharp does a pencil need to be?
Clearly Tiffany doesn't think too sharp - or they assume their customers are not too sharp.

Find a diamond that scores under 2 on HCA.
Then get Idealscope pics and make sure those are good too. http://www.ideal-scope.com/using_reference_chart.asp

Better yet - at the top of this screen click on "Resources" then on "Diamonds Search"
Enter your specs but be sure to search only for cut of Excellent to Excellent.

Buy it.
Wear it into Tiffany and compare appearance and price.
 
Re: Please help: Tiffany 3 excellent cut but HCA score not g

Might be ok, Tiffany is generally cut with a larger lower half, which might offset the larger pavilion angle, but that depends more on the optical symm of the stone so no way to be conclusive.

Buy an idealscope, learn how to use it then shop again? Or just buy online.

Also, #2 will probably have a smaller diameter measurement then #1. A smaller table with a steeper crown angle means a higher crown, more volume there than a larger table, shallower crown angle.
 
Re: Please help: Tiffany 3 excellent cut but HCA score not g

kenny said:
Welcome to PS.

How sharp does a pencil need to be?
Clearly Tiffany doesn't think too sharp - or they assume their customers are not too sharp.

Find a diamond that scores under 2 on HCA.
Then get Idealscope pics and make sure those are good too. http://www.ideal-scope.com/using_reference_chart.asp

Better yet - at the top of this screen click on "Resources" then on "Diamonds Search"
Enter your specs but be sure to search only for cut of Excellent to Excellent.

Buy it.
Wear it into Tiffany and compare appearance and price.

Kenny I think it is very fair for people who want to buy a branded product to recieve assistance to follow their hearts :love: and dreams.
There is plenty on mind correct info here :read: - so lets see if we can help the OP :bigsmile:

This link will take you to the experiance of a person who found a very fine stone at Tiffany using the help of Pricescopers
viewtopic.php?t=69733
 
Re: Please help: Tiffany 3 excellent cut but HCA score not g

Thanks guys.

Now I become less and less certain about my Tiffany decision...the price difference is huge! It's like 20K (online) vs 35K (Tiff)...

The resources - diamond search is very useful! They even show HCA score that I don't need to plug all the numbers myself...Cool!

I found one carried by whiteflash with HCA 0.8. All excellent except spread is very good. Shall I wait for a HCA score <0.5 and everything excellent shows up? Will 0.5 looks more beautiful than a 0.8? I guess this is hard to say right? Have to see it to tell (well, if I can tell...) I think that's the issue I have with these online vendors, that I can't see them myself before making the purchase.

Now, since the Tiffany classic setting matches my wedding band very well in very aspect, can you suggest which setting from an online vendor looks the most like a Tiffany classic? How about the Whiteflash CLASSIC TIFFANY STYLE KNIFE EDGE? Any suggestions or links to old discussions?

Appreciate all your help a lot!
 
Re: Please help: Tiffany 3 excellent cut but HCA score not g

With the HCA anything scoring less than 2 is worth consideration, nuances beyond that are not important. If the vendor has an ideal scope image, which WF does for example, then that is all you need anyways, the results are more important than the HCA.

You can see the diamond before you buy online -- just have it sent to you loose and if you do not like it you can return it in the inspection period! But if you buy a branded cut like the ACA from WF I would wager you will love it :wink2: It is very much a "no worries" way of buying a diamond as that brand is so tightly cut. There are other PS vendors who also offer excellent branded cuts. Let us know if you would like our help in finding a stone -- tell us your budget and desired specs and we can go from there.
 
Re: Please help: Tiffany 3 excellent cut but HCA score not g

grace7672 said:
Thanks guys.

Now I become less and less certain about my Tiffany decision...the price difference is huge! It's like 20K (online) vs 35K (Tiff)...

The resources - diamond search is very useful! They even show HCA score that I don't need to plug all the numbers myself...Cool!

I found one carried by whiteflash with HCA 0.8. All excellent except spread is very good. Shall I wait for a HCA score <0.5 and everything excellent shows up? Will 0.5 looks more beautiful than a 0.8? I guess this is hard to say right? Have to see it to tell (well, if I can tell...) I think that's the issue I have with these online vendors, that I can't see them myself before making the purchase.

Now, since the Tiffany classic setting matches my wedding band very well in very aspect, can you suggest which setting from an online vendor looks the most like a Tiffany classic? How about the Whiteflash CLASSIC TIFFANY STYLE KNIFE EDGE? Any suggestions or links to old discussions?

Appreciate all your help a lot!
I did a search here
https://www.pricescope.com/diamond-...nHouseSearch=&InHouseSearch=0&&InHouseSearch= that has $19k to $21k.
Many of these vedors have the stones photographed and inhouse so they can talk you thru the attributes with the stone inhand while you are on the phone.
I searched D to I and VS1 to SI1 which are safe grades.
Good luck
 
Re: Please help: Tiffany 3 excellent cut but HCA score not g

I think GOG also carries a classic Tiffany setting replica. have not seen one from WF but maybe do a search and people will have pics of it? in any case I believe the settings are quite similar.
 
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