please help rate the bowtie and this marquise! :-)

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

hello pricescope community!

thank goodness for all of you and your expertise..... please rate the bowtie and cut of this overall stone for me. what do you like and dislike about it? what are some potential issues?


will they ALL have bowties? how do you know if a stone like a marquise will have a horrible dead spot as a bowtie? any tell tale signs?
thanks to all of you for all of your input!

if anyone has any marquise rings in all different types of settings, I would love to see! thanks everyone!

 

[tyty333]

A bow-tie to me is only bad if it is wide and goes dark. The center area looks fine to me in that one picture but I would
want to see a video of the ring being moved to see what the bow-tie does. Would like to see it in different lighting
conditions. Also would like an up close of the side view of the stone to see how the crown looks (make sure its
not flat).

The inclusion plot says there is a cavity in it somewhere but it is too small for me to see. I would probably want an
independent appraiser to looks at it and verify there is no issue.

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

here is a side view. what do cavities do?

 

[Niel]

Honestly it could be annoying in real life.
I’d need a video.

 

[Glitterismyfavoritecolor]

Is it worth taking a chance if no video is available? Able to be returned.

 

[Niel]

Is it worth taking a chance if no video is available? Able to be returned.

Its 2020 they can’t provide you a video they shoot with their phone? I don’t like that. the Center of a marquise can be a problem not just because it can return black but also just the large can be a harsh juxtaposition against the small splintery facets just n and s. So even if it’s not black it can still be distracting.

 

[mrs-b]

The photo is not exactly front on. I have a gut sense that's for a reason. Personally, I wouldn't proceed without a video, and being unable to supply you with one is a red flag to me.

It also doesn't look particularly clean, to my eye, tho that's a personal requirement and not something that bothers a lot of people. I don't love the faceting either. So for me, right across the board, it's not a ring in which I'd be interested.

 

[WinkHPD]

Its 2020 they can’t provide you a video they shoot with their phone? I don’t like that. the Center of a marquise can be a problem not just because it can return black but also just the large can be a harsh juxtaposition against the small splintery facets just n and s. So even if it’s not black it can still be distracting.

Speaking only about Niel's post, not the diamond the OP is asking about.

Even the best cut marquise, oval and pear shaped diamonds will have smaller facets at the ends of the stones which create many sparkles of white light and very little dispersion. It is this multitudinous jumble of small flashes that draws many to these cuts. In fact, for a relatively short period in the mid to late 70's marquise cut diamonds were more expensive per carat than rounds.

That ended during the "investment" craziness of '78 and '79. Diamonds were being sold by telemarketers as the next sure thing, driving prices into the stratosphere. It peaked when a one carat D-IF was sold for $65,000 per carat between dealers in February 1980 at the diamond bourse in NY. A very short while later the Feds changed the margin requirement on Silver Futures to 100% to stop the Hunt brothers from dominating the silver market and gold and diamonds came tumbling down along with silver. Silver traded limit down for days, falling from a high of around $50 per ounce to a low of about $9 per ounce. I had some friends and clients who had jumped in at around $30 per ounce and could not get out, they lost millions and ended up bankrupt.

Wink

 

[headlight]

I can’t read the report very clearly... does it say I1 clarity? If so, move on.

 

[Niel]

Speaking only about Niel's post, not the diamond the OP is asking about.

Even the best cut marquise, oval and pear shaped diamonds will have smaller facets at the ends of the stones which create many sparkles of white light and very little dispersion. It is this multitudinous jumble of small flashes that draws many to these cuts. In fact, for a relatively short period in the mid to late 70's marquise cut diamonds were more expensive per carat than rounds.

That ended during the "investment" craziness of '78 and '79. Diamonds were being sold by telemarketers as the next sure thing, driving prices into the stratosphere. It peaked when a one carat D-IF was sold for $65,000 per carat between dealers in February 1980 at the diamond bourse in NY. A very short while later the Feds changed the margin requirement on Silver Futures to 100% to stop the Hunt brothers from dominating the silver market and gold and diamonds came tumbling down along with silver. Silver traded limit down for days, falling from a high of around $50 per ounce to a low of about $9 per ounce. I had some friends and clients who had jumped in at around $30 per ounce and could not get out, they lost millions and ended up bankrupt.

Wink

Yes I am sorry if I meant to say the best ovals won’t have bow ties. I just meant that what makes them unattractive isn’t simply “this is black here “ which i think gets implied when you say bow tie.

I *love* a marquise- I just think people hear “bow tie” and focus on if it has a big black bar in the middle and nothing else.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

That is only half a bowtie.
Here is a real one

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

The same diamond as above in a consumer video.