please help me with this diamond

[chuketlala]

hi guys

im very new to diamonds and pricescope. i have been lurking around for a while and everybody here is super sweet and helpful. my fiance and i have come down to one particular diamond for the engagement ring and was wondering if we could get your kind opinion on it. here are the specifications;

ROUND BRILLIANT DIAMOND
Measurements: 8.82 - 8.87 x 5.50 mm
Carat Weight: 2.64 carat
Color Grade: H
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth: 62.1%
Table: 56%
Crown Angle: 35.5°
Crown Height: 15.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 50%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None

FINISH
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

COMMENTS
Additional pinpoints are not shown.

not sure if i covered all the information needed. please feel free to give your opinion as this diamond is going to cost us 40K so we would like to be extra careful.

thank you so much for all your kind help and advices

 

[Niel]

it gets a 2.6 on the HCA, youd want under a 2 but might be worth getting an Idealscope, whats the price??

 

[chuketlala]

thank you for such fast reply. i did the HCA myself and noticed that too. i asked the jeweler for an idealscope image but it appears that dimond is not in their posession. what i needed to do was pay half so they can book and purchase that diamond and when it arrives i can go get it and pay the rest. the price is 39,800 USD. may i ask if the score 2.6 on HCA is very bad? is it a very important thing for the diamond? sorry if thats a silly questions

 

[Niel]

thank you for such fast reply. i did the HCA myself and noticed that too. i asked the jeweler for an idealscope image but it appears that dimond is not in their posession. what i needed to do was pay half so they can book and purchase that diamond and when it arrives i can go get it and pay the rest. the price is 39,800 USD. may i ask if the score 2.6 on HCA is very bad? is it a very important thing for the diamond? sorry if thats a silly questions

no such thing as a silly question, especially when paying nearly 40k!

its somewhat important as an exclusion too but in the 2-3 range it doesnt mean its automatically a poor performer.

as another option, heres one that hits the 9mm mark! being a BG signature it WILL be a good performer, and easy to ask them if its eye clean or not.
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.801-i-si1-round-diamond-ags-104063703005

 

[chuketlala]

thank you nielseel for helping me look up another diamond. the problem is that i am not located in the US so shipping something this price to Europe is bit nervewrecking for us.

i also forgot the mention that the diamond i am looking at has this big cloud on the left side of the table. similar to this one

http://www.bluenile.com/fr/en/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-colour-vs1-clarity_LD02108332

since i dont have my diamonds GIA cirtificate, i just looked up another diamond that has a cloud very much simimar to mine. does this cloud appear big to you? will it affect the diamonds sparkle and fire? would we be able to see it with the naked eye?

i am asking my jeweler to try to get an idealscope image too. i will be sure to post once i have it. thanks again!

 

[Niel]

thank you nielseel for helping me look up another diamond. the problem is that i am not located in the US so shipping something this price to Europe is bit nervewrecking for us.

i also forgot the mention that the diamond i am looking at has this big cloud on the left side of the table. similar to this one

http://www.bluenile.com/fr/en/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-colour-vs1-clarity_LD02108332

since i dont have my diamonds GIA cirtificate, i just looked up another diamond that has a cloud very much simimar to mine. does this cloud appear big to you? will it affect the diamonds sparkle and fire? would we be able to see it with the naked eye?

i am asking my jeweler to try to get an idealscope image too. i will be sure to post once i have it. thanks again!

I can totally understand shipping overseas seems daunting but I know a handful of people here have done it so it is doable. I'm just running out so I'll have to look at that diving in second but I would imagine that that clarity is probably I clean

 

[chuketlala]

no worries, take your time if anyone else would like to share their knowledge, please be my guest. i am so close to buying this diamond i would really appreciate any thoughts before i take the plunge.

 

[Anjaani3]

Hi Chuketlala

I'm not as seasoned as a lot of people on these forums but I came across this diamond and thought you could get so much more for your budget (3ct!) in case you wanted to check it out:

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-3517346-3.01-carat-Round-diamond-I-color-VS2-Clarity.aspx?sku=3517346&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

The only concern I have with this diamond is that the lower half is 75% whereas I've usually seen it to fall around 80%. Maybe someone can chime in whether that would be an issue? Otherwise, it scores under 2 on the HCA as well and could be a nice option!

 

[chuketlala]

I can totally understand shipping overseas seems daunting but I know a handful of people here have done it so it is doable. I'm just running out so I'll have to look at that diving in second but I would imagine that that clarity is probably I clean[/quote]

hi nielseel, very sorry to bother you but any chance you could help me take a look at the diamond clarity in the link above and let me know how the clouds are? whether or not they are big enough to affect the diamonds brightness and if they are visible to the naked eye? i would truly appreciate your kind help. thanks so much!

 

[chuketlala]

Hi Chuketlala

I'm not as seasoned as a lot of people on these forums but I came across this diamond and thought you could get so much more for your budget (3ct!) in case you wanted to check it out:

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-3517346-3.01-carat-Round-diamond-I-color-VS2-Clarity.aspx?sku=3517346&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

The only concern I have with this diamond is that the lower half is 75% whereas I've usually seen it to fall around 80%. Maybe someone can chime in whether that would be an issue? Otherwise, it scores under 2 on the HCA as well and could be a nice option!

thank you so much for helping me look up another diamond. do you think an I for this size would show any warmth? i was told to stay at a minimum of H but then again i dont know too much about diamonds myself

 

[Niel]

I can totally understand shipping overseas seems daunting but I know a handful of people here have done it so it is doable. I'm just running out so I'll have to look at that diving in second but I would imagine that that clarity is probably I clean

hi nielseel, very sorry to bother you but any chance you could help me take a look at the diamond clarity in the link above and let me know how the clouds are? whether or not they are big enough to affect the diamonds brightness and if they are visible to the naked eye? i would truly appreciate your kind help. thanks so much![/quote]

Its really something you can't judge without a pic unfortunately. I wish they'd pull it for you without you paying half

 

[04diamond<3]

I'd highly recommend this one:

http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.68-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-22956

Put it on hold and request an idealscope image...James allen also gives PS members a discount so you can ask about that as well. This stone is nice because it faces up closer to a 3ct...And it scored a 1.0 on the HCA (which anything under 2 is worth looking into so it's should perform really well!).

 

[chuketlala]

I can totally understand shipping overseas seems daunting but I know a handful of people here have done it so it is doable. I'm just running out so I'll have to look at that diving in second but I would imagine that that clarity is probably I clean

hi nielseel, very sorry to bother you but any chance you could help me take a look at the diamond clarity in the link above and let me know how the clouds are? whether or not they are big enough to affect the diamonds brightness and if they are visible to the naked eye? i would truly appreciate your kind help. thanks so much!

Its really something you can't judge without a pic unfortunately. I wish they'd pull it for you without you paying half[/quote]

i absolutely understand. i wish the same but the only thing they can show me was a copy of the GIA which showed clouds exactly like the diamond in the link, which is why i wanted an expert opinion on how they are. not sure what to do next but my fiance is so keen on getting this diamond i think we would just take the plunge!

 

[Niel]

I can totally understand shipping overseas seems daunting but I know a handful of people here have done it so it is doable. I'm just running out so I'll have to look at that diving in second but I would imagine that that clarity is probably I clean

hi nielseel, very sorry to bother you but any chance you could help me take a look at the diamond clarity in the link above and let me know how the clouds are? whether or not they are big enough to affect the diamonds brightness and if they are visible to the naked eye? i would truly appreciate your kind help. thanks so much!

Its really something you can't judge without a pic unfortunately. I wish they'd pull it for you without you paying half

i absolutely understand. i wish the same but the only thing they can show me was a copy of the GIA which showed clouds exactly like the diamond in the link, which is why i wanted an expert opinion on how they are. not sure what to do next but my fiance is so keen on getting this diamond i think we would just take the plunge![/quote]


Maybe someone else can look every time I try to pull the blue Nile one up it doesn't show a picture for me either! Like I said though, at VS clarity you're are fairly safe when it comes to eye clarity. If she really wants it I say pull the trigger. Especially if you don't want to go overseas. This stone will not be a dog at all, we could nit pick the numbers but I think if your FI dealt wants that exact one I think it would be beautiful.

 

[ariel144]

I would go with this one at 1/2 the price...a proven performer and faces up about the same...don't think you can go wrong with this one and put $20,000 into a new house or something else:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10495/

Putting down $20k on that other stone just to look at it is way over the top and will probably lock you in to that vendor...i would not do that.

Good Old Gold is an excellent vendor and their inventory stones are tested to the max for performance. No one else has a better testing facility IMO.

 

[chuketlala]

not sure if the picture is showing up. if it is, this is how the clouds are - any thoughts are more than appreciated.

my fiance is a simple girl, every diamond she sees she loves! its crazy! i myself do like this diamond and prefer the safe feeling of buying from a local jeweler. so far its just the HCA thats not looking too good, aside from that do the other things add up to a beautiful diamond? once i get your green flags on the clarity im going to pull the trigger this weekend. please pleaseee let me know your thoughts, at this point they are very valuable to me

 

[Niel]

not sure if the picture is showing up. if it is, this is how the clouds are - any thoughts are more than appreciated.

my fiance is a simple girl, every diamond she sees she loves! its crazy! i myself do like this diamond and prefer the safe feeling of buying from a local jeweler. so far its just the HCA thats not looking too good, aside from that do the other things add up to a beautiful diamond? once i get your green flags on the clarity im going to pull the trigger this weekend. please pleaseee let me know your thoughts, at this point they are very valuable to me

At vs 1 and a cert like that I say go ahead. A 2.6 isn't a huge red flag like a 5 is, just means look at other info and use your eyes. Many AGS 000 stones have scores between 2 and 3. The HCA is to a guarantee. You seem like you really wanna get it and want to go local. If this is the best buy you've found I say put the money down and get it to see. Will they refund if you really don't want it? If so just get it and look at it in a LOT of lighting situations. Not just the magic jewelry store lighting.

 

[ariel144]

not sure if the picture is showing up. if it is, this is how the clouds are - any thoughts are more than appreciated.

my fiance is a simple girl, every diamond she sees she loves! its crazy! i myself do like this diamond and prefer the safe feeling of buying from a local jeweler. so far its just the HCA thats not looking too good, aside from that do the other things add up to a beautiful diamond? once i get your green flags on the clarity im going to pull the trigger this weekend. please pleaseee let me know your thoughts, at this point they are very valuable to me

If you want to save $20k go with the stone from GOG. The stone i posted above will most likely ...i can almost guarantee you will be a more beautiful stone than your $40k stone. You don't get better stones going thru someone local.

I strongly suggest you visit www.goodoldgold.com and view all their educational videos on CUT of modern round brilliants before you sink $40k into a diamond.

It's a crap shoot calling in a diamond especially that expensive of a stone. You need to do more research before you purchase such an expensive diamond.

It is good that you came into PS to get opinions but you don't seem to be listening to those posting in here that have experience in how to get an excellent cut diamond. CUT IS KING...color and clarity do not make a beautiful diamond.

You are a novice with a lot of money to spend on a diamond..you need to take your time and educate yourself before you "pull the trigger"

 

[JulieN]

Is there a return policy? The first one you picked is probably fine, probably gorgeous and very sparkly. VS1 cloud should not be a problem.

If you are near any of these vendors http://craftedbyinfinity.com/web/locations-europe/
You could get this one sent to them: http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-infinity&id=841

 

[chuketlala]

you are absolutely right ariel. its not that i have alot of money i just wanted to by the girl of my life something amazing. trust me i dont plan on doing whatsoever at all, as i do realize 40K is not little. i plan on chosing a diamond with the best cut and that is why i posted asking if the HCA of 2.6 is unacceptable or if its still in a good range. i love every single diamond the experts here have recommended me and im sure my fiance will too but i am quite new to buying online and must admit i am scared of European import duties and the process of shipping the diamond here.

aside from cut, which is absolutely my priority, i was also worried that that big circle of a cloud on the left side of the diamonds table can be seen with the naked eye or affect its brilliance, which is also why i posted the picture asking for your expertise and help.

hope i didnt come off as a silly guy with money who just wants to do whatever. im just a guy who saw his girlfriend completely inlove with a diamond and wanted to get that one for her. but like a i said, im sure she will love whatever i chose in the end

 

[chuketlala]

Is there a return policy? The first one you picked is probably fine, probably gorgeous and very sparkly. VS1 cloud should not be a problem.

If you are near any of these vendors http://craftedbyinfinity.com/web/locations-europe/
You could get this one sent to them: http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-infinity&id=841

thank you julien for your thoughts. unfortunately there is no return policy but i will get to inspect it in person once the diamond arrives and decide whether or not to keep it. if not, i would be refunded in full. my only problem is that i am not expert and would not know so well where to start looking during the inspection.

 

[ariel144]

I also just noticed that the 2.37 has med. blue fl. which is an added bonus...it can make a stone appear whiter and in certain lighting can make it look blueish which adds to the personality of the stone, which is very desirable to most PSrs. We all want a diamond that has blue fl....in many cases it discounts the price while have a wonderful effect on the stone in certain lighting.

I'm sure GOG can even call in the above stone you are trying to decide on and compare it to this one they have in inventory. They will do a video with both stones and you can see which one performs the best for the $$. Just another thought.

GOG sells diamonds world wide. ...and even calls in stones from around the world for their clients.

Hope this helps.

Take a look at the Brian Gavin Blue line or their signature H & A...then you will KNOW that you are getting the absolute best performing stone...if it comes from GOG or BG and some of the other well respected online vendors.

The advantage that you have is that you want a MRB...the easiest cut to buy online with proper testing.

If the stone you posted was a true H & A then you could be confident that it was a well performing MRB. I don't quite understand why you would want to take a chance on that stone that you seem to have your heart set on sight unseen AND WITH NO RETURN POLICY...UH THAT WOULD BE A HUGE NO! You definitely don't want to deal with a jeweler without a return policy.

Why the 1/2 down just to look at the stone? Seems rather steep and unusual to me...never heard of that before in all the postings on PS. Interesting.

As you can see from the BG stone you can get a larger true H & A stone for the same price of $40k.

Many trusted online vendors have a generous return policy along with an upgrade policy as well.

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.801-i-si1-round-diamond-ags-104063703005

So glad you came in here before buying from that vendor. Hope we can help you find the diamond of her dreams.

 

[chuketlala]

thanks ariel for sharing. im sooo very glad too that i came here before making any decisions. i plan to propose in May at her birthday so i do have a bit more time to look around. going to have to give goodoldgold an email, he seems to be amazing from what i read around here!