please help evaluate this stone (ASET included)

[slg47]

Hi everyone-I am curious to hear your opinions on this diamond...

Square Cushion Hearts and Arrows
1.10 carat
G VS2 (AGS)
5.82x5.81x4.20 mm

Light Performance AGS 0
Polish AGS 0
Symmetry AGS 0

Attached is the ASET

 

[yssie]

Can you get an ASET of the actual diamond?



CG is better than nothing, but a far cry from the real thing..

 

[slg47]

also here is the attached clarity plot from AGS report

 

[slg47]

OH, I didn''t realize that was a computer generated and not the actual ASET image. Is there usually a large difference?

 

[stone-cold11]

usually not.

 

[slg47]

so do you guys have any opinions? does this look good?

 

[JulieN]

looks great.

 

[slg47]

should I be concerned about the cloud in the middle? I did see this diamond but I don''t know if I examined it that crucially...

 

[stone-cold11]

looks good.

Should be no worries with a VS2. If you are still worried, go and hired an independent appraiser to look at the stone critically for you.

 

[CharmyPoo]

How about an actual photo of the diamond?

 

[slg47]

Here is a photo...(note that I was looking at 2 stones and am not sure which one this is a photo of)...

I will e-mail and see if this is the photo of the one that I attached the reports for! But in any case, here is the photo I have that may be of this diamond or may be of a similar one that I also saw in the store.

 

[slg47]

yes that is the picture of the G 1.10.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 4/14/2010 9:27:10 PM
Author: slg47
yes that is the picture of the G 1.10.

Price more or less than $8650?
Who is the vendor?

 

[slg47]

price is right...less than 8000
from Geoffrey''s Diamonds, they had to call in some square cushion hearts and arrows cuts for us to look at

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 4/14/2010 10:22:49 PM
Author: slg47
price is right...less than 8000
from Geoffrey''s Diamonds, they had to call in some square cushion hearts and arrows cuts for us to look at

Looks like a good price, get an ASET and hearts and arrows images for thoroughness.

 

[slg47]

haha bumping my own thread...any more opinions?

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 4/15/2010 3:55:49 PM
Author: slg47
haha bumping my own thread...any more opinions?

Faces up about 3% smaller than an ideal tolk round so not bad for that comparison.
Faces up about 10% smaller than many well cut modern cushion brilliants.

Price seems better than from a popular vendor here http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6372/ but you won''t get lifetime upgrade at 100% tradein.
If it is from the same vendor as GOG (which it probably is) and they provide you with the hearts arrows and ASET images and they are up to the same standard as the GOG stone I''d say it is a good deal.

Pricing is similar to fine makes of Hearts and Arrows round.

As for light performance from the generated image, nice arrows pattern and excellent light return which is rare for a fancy shape diamond. Due to the thick girdle you see some green at the edges but this will not appreicably affect performance.

Color and Clarity are right in the value range and it is a nice combination, VS2 cloud should be eye clean ask the vendor to judge it based on your standard (ie faceup from 1 foot away or from the side 2 feet away or however you prefer).

Don''t forget to get and post the hearts and arrows images and a real ASET image, this will tell us how well cut this diamond really is. Even from the same cutting facility the cut precision can vary.

 

[slg47]

OK thanks. I requested actual ASET/H&A images. It is from a vendor on the east coast (NY I think?) so maybe the same one that GOG uses. I know that Jon posted a video comparing lots of square cushion H&A that seemed to imply that they were pretty consistently well cut. Hopefully I will get the images tomorrow, then I can upload to the forum. Thanks

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/15/2010 10:33:01 PM
Author: slg47
OK thanks. I requested actual ASET/H&A images. It is from a vendor on the east coast (NY I think?) so maybe the same one that GOG uses. I know that Jon posted a video comparing lots of square cushion H&A that seemed to imply that they were pretty consistently well cut. Hopefully I will get the images tomorrow, then I can upload to the forum. Thanks

Those will be useful, post them when you have them then we can go from there.

 

[guezz007]

Hey slg47,

Thanks for directing me to your post. Seems that you found some Great Square H&A!

I finally found one that can fit my budget!

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7175/

Any comments guys on this Diamond?

Cheers!!

 

[slg47]

Hi guezz-glad you found one! You may want to watch the videos on the different cuts...that''s what really helped me decide i wanted the square cushion H&A. I don''t know much about the numbers on the reports, but I think GOG is reported to carry stones of really good quality. I remembered some other posters saying that if you contact them they can get a few in in your price range to compare, but going I/SI1 will probably maximize your size. If that''s what you''re looking for, looks good to me

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/17/2010 9:05:11 PM
Author: guezz007
Hey slg47,

Thanks for directing me to your post. Seems that you found some Great Square H&A!

I finally found one that can fit my budget!

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7175/

Any comments guys on this Diamond?

Cheers!!

Its a beauty.

 

[guezz007]

Does anyone know if there is a "STANDARD" for Cushion H&A Diamonds?
E.g. We can calculate HCA score for Round using Angles and measurements.

I feel that "http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7175/" seemed to be much deeper compared to other Cushions at (Depth Percentage: 72.24%) and it is still considered Ideal?

Need some advise.

Should I create a separate post?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/19/2010 6:51:27 AM
Author: guezz007
Does anyone know if there is a ''STANDARD'' for Cushion H&A Diamonds?
E.g. We can calculate HCA score for Round using Angles and measurements.

I feel that ''http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7175/'' seemed to be much deeper compared to other Cushions at (Depth Percentage: 72.24%) and it is still considered Ideal?

Need some advise.

Should I create a separate post?

There isn''t anything like the HCA for fancy shapes, plus the HCA is a rejection tool, its not used to select round diamonds, it just tells you whether a particular diamond might be worth further investigation.

Don''t worry too much about depth in these shapes as you can find some variance, go by images to judge the light return and in the case of h&a, images to check the precision of the patterning.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 4/19/2010 6:51:27 AM
Author: guezz007
Does anyone know if there is a 'STANDARD' for Cushion H&A Diamonds?
E.g. We can calculate HCA score for Round using Angles and measurements.

I feel that 'http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7175/' seemed to be much deeper compared to other Cushions at (Depth Percentage: 72.24%) and it is still considered Ideal?

Need some advise.

Should I create a separate post?

The way that depth % is calculated in fancy shapes is using the width which is the shortest distance across this is not the same as using diameter as done with a round. Knowing that these are rounds with a filed down girdle, comparison to an ideal round shows they spread about 3-5% less than the same carat weight ideal tolk round.

However most other cushions in general have more rounded edges and also tend to be cut more shallow than a round which is why for other styles of cushions the preferred depth range is 65 - 70% (like the August Vintage).

Based on the ASET and HA images the stone will be beautiful and there is nothing to worry about, the only tradeoff to choosing this type is the cost/carat and the faceup size/carat is smaller compared to round or other cushions.

This particular one has a slightly taller crown than some of the other ones but well within the optimal variance for this cut.

 

[guezz007]

Thanks (ChunkyCushionLover),

You are right. I do realise that it''s more expensive and smaller in faceup size compared to a Round. the Worst is, after TAX and shipping, my cost increased almost 18%!

I''m still requesting some more info abt the diamond with GOG. Hopefully all will be good.

 

[slg47]

yes tax is the worst! my boyfriend asked me if the prices we were quoted included tax...i was like...sorry...

guezz i hope you find the right one!

we decided to go with the one that i posted...i am still waiting for actual ASET/H&A images but I did see it in the H&A viewer and it looked perfect...also saw it in different lighting conditions. anyway if i get the images I will post them but I think this stone has a good balance of color/clarity/carat/cut/cost

 

[guezz007]

Thanks slg47,

Yours definitely look great! Hope everything will be perfact.

I''m still waiting for my other reports. Wanna see the Gemex/Megascope that shows the Brilliance, Dispersion and Scintillation of the diamond.

And to confirm that it is definitely Eye-clean under different light conditions.

Sometimes, i feel that I can be asking too much, but then again it''s also our hard earned money. "Another day another buck"

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 4/20/2010 8:02:38 AM
Author: guezz007
Thanks slg47,

Yours definitely look great! Hope everything will be perfact.

I'm still waiting for my other reports. Wanna see the Gemex/Megascope that shows the Brilliance, Dispersion and Scintillation of the diamond.

And to confirm that it is definitely Eye-clean under different light conditions.

Sometimes, i feel that I can be asking too much, but then again it's also our hard earned money. 'Another day another buck'

Who is the vendor you are requesting this from? I've never heard of those being used often nor of widespread correlation of its results to real world performance. I see widespread use of ASET, Idealscope etc. but the problem is even with those results what are you going to compare them to?

You would need to comare two diamonds with the same machine, but I suspect this brand has very high marks in all of these categories.