Please help. Buying a 4.22 Carat diamond on Bluenile.com

[deuce123]

Hi, I am planning to purchase this diamond on bluenile. I have placed an offer for $143,000usd. Please let me know if this diamond specifications look decent? I used the HCA cut advisor and it gave me a 1.0 rating. Everything is excellent. do you think it will be safe to buy a diamond at this price online?? How easy would it be to return if I am not happy with it? Is this diamond even worth the price?


Price: $144,480 Bank wire price: $142,313 Price per carat: $34,237
Carat weight: 4.22 Cut: Ideal Color: G Clarity: VVS2
Depth %: 59.6% Table %: 58% / crown % 33.5 / Pavillion % 41 /
Polish: Excellent Symmetry: Excellent Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted Culet: None Fluorescence: Faint
Measurements: 10.55 x 10.61 x 6.30 mm

 

[AprilBaby]

That's a lot to spend without a photo, ASET or ideal scope. Have you looked at any other vendors for availability?

 

[ame]

I don't love the table size (depth is great) or the crown/pav angles so I think you can do better on cut quality for the price point. But Blue Nile I think is good for easy returns. The shipping at that value might be a nightmare though.

 

[teobdl]

"worth the price" has many interpretations: fair market value? worth spending that on a diamond?

Anyways, if I thought spending that amount of money on a diamond could potentially be "worth it," I'd for sure want a lot more information than what you're getting from Blue Nile. For that size purchase, they may be willing to provide IdealScope or ASET. Definitely ask.

If Blue Nile is unable or unwilling to provide those, then contact Good Old Gold, and they'll darn well be willing to help you find exactly what you're looking for, and provide ample information for getting an amazing diamond, not just a big, white, high clarity diamond.

Not saying that the diamond you've chosen isn't amazing, but I think it would be imprudent to spend that money without more information.

 

[kenny]

www.malcaamit.com specializes in shipping high value gems, gold bullion, and art.
They are not cheap but they are secure.

If you live near one of their locations you can walk in to pick up or drop of your diamond.
This woud avoid the neighbors wondering why an armored truck stopped at your house.

 

[Enerchi]

That's a lot to spend without a photo, ASET or ideal scope. Have you looked at any other vendors for availability?

This was my thought as well. Just did a quick PS diamond search -
https://www.pricescope.com/diamond/69c999617e3d2ccd4d08bf5a18ae456a
(this is from GOG - http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10169/ )

Or from James Allen http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/4.05-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-92133

Throwing out options that you can 'see' more info. Hope that may help a bit...

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I wouldn't consider buying a $40k diamond sight unseen, much less one that is $140k. Who graded it ideal cut?

I also would not pay the premium for VVS when VS1 particularly is extremely clean.

 

[yennyfire]

I wouldn't consider buying a $40k diamond sight unseen, much less one that is $140k. Who graded it ideal cut?

I also would not pay the premium for VVS when VS1 particularly is extremely clean.

Well said DS!

 

[hearts-arrows_girl]

I wouldn't consider buying a $40k diamond sight unseen, much less one that is $140k. Who graded it ideal cut?

I also would not pay the premium for VVS when VS1 particularly is extremely clean.

I completely agree!

 

[RockyRacoon]

Save $30k, get a guaranteed beautiful cut, and only lose .2 in diameter:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/4.090-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104065989001

 

[UrsTx]

I've never spent that much at BN but I've bought a .70 ct solitaire pendant and 1.2 ctw stud earrings from them in 2006. I did not like the first pendant and returned it within their 30 day timeframe for a refund, no prob, and then found one I liked from BN to keep. Now that I've discovered PS though, I'd prob buy from somewhere else online just because I think there are better values out there.

 

[UrsTx]

Save $30k, get a guaranteed beautiful cut, and only lose .2 in diameter:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/4.090-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104065989001

Wow! That's a gorgeous rock!

 

[AprilBaby]

I would be all over that Brian Gavin stone!!!

 

[deuce123]

Thank you for all your replies. Its so difficult to find a 3.8 to 4.2 carat diamonds. I have always been told that anything less then a vvs2 / G color was a bad stone. I never knew about the importance of HCA cut and florescent color. Ive been doing my best to educate myself but i have no one in there area that will be honest to me.

I will contact blue nile tomorrow and ask for more info (ASET and Ideal scope documents).

I live in Newport Beach and most of the jewelery shops are very overpriced. I have also shopped with a friend in the LA diamond district but not too many people have diamonds around this size at the price i am looking to pay. Some of the people in the LA diamond district are also pretty pushy and make me nervous.

I entered all the dimensions into the HCA cut adviser and it gave me a 1.0 score. Is this a good score?

I will also take a look at the diamond on Briangavins website.

Thank you very much for helping me. I truly appreciate your feedback and comments.

 

[deuce123]

Hi Rocky Racoon, Thanks for the link. The cut of that diamond looks excellent.

My only concern is that it is a H color and vs2. My future fiance has been told that anything less then G color / vss2 is junk. she thinks the bigger the diamond then the easier it is to see any flaws.

she has friends that have 4-5 carat diamonds that look very bad. the last thing i would want to do is buy a diamond that does not shine or has a yellowish color.

please share your opinions.

 

[pyramid]

I would only buy a vvs diamond if I was buying colorless. I would rather have an F VS1 than a G VVS2. I know it is
difficult though with larger sizes and what is available. I would have a 3 carat colorless rather than a 4 carat near colorless.

 

[SB621]

I highly doubt your GF will ever notice the difference between H and G? And exactly who told her anything below H/ VS2 was crap?? Sorry but that is just a ridiculous statement. Has your gf gone diamond shopping with you. Has she seen how color sensitive she is? Personally I would never buy from BN. Also what labs are you looking at?

HCA score under 2 just means it is an excellent performer. It is not the end all be all- it just helps weed out lesser performing MRB.

 

[deuce123]

Thanks SB621, i agree with you about the H color vvs2 issue. For some reason most people think that anything lower then a G color will have a yellow color.

I kept persuading my Gf to that a H color would be ok. So one day my GF and i decided to go to a local jewelry store.We compared a 1.7 carat G stone to a 1.8 carat H stone. The difference were pretty noticeable. The worst thing was the being wrong and having to hear the " I told you so " comment.

I am looking for a nice 4 carat stone. I personally could care less about all the grades. I just want the stone to look white and sparkle. How many of her friends will ever look at her stone under a loop? I dont think we will ever sell the ring so I guess it doesnt have any TRUE value besides the " WOW" factor once i give it to her. I am thinking about adding vs1 and vs2 clarity diamonds to my search. Is the most important thing about the diamond the CUT and color??

 

[delight]

Comparing a 1.7 carat to a 4 carat in terms of color isn't being a fair comparison.

Large stones absorb body color more. If you are color adverse, even a G might not be good enough at a 4 carat size.

 

[deuce123]

Hi guys, should i change to this diamond? They have this diamond listed at 135k.
http://www.b2cjewels.com/Images//Certificate//3452141.pdf

it is a 4.02 round diamond. It is a F color but is a VS2. Will vs2 reduce the diamond fire since it is not clear? I used the HCA cut adviser and it gave me 1.5 score which is still good..

What do you think?

 

[04diamond<3]

I will contact blue nile tomorrow and ask for more info (ASET and Ideal scope documents).

.

I can tell you that BN does NOT offer aset or ideal scope images at all. I'd really consider that Brian Gavin stone because they provide you with everything you'd need to make an informed decision. You could also try Good Old Gold: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10169/ they'll send you videos...JA also offers video's and they have ideal scope and aset images and also give a 1-5% discount to price scope members... http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/4.02-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-28580 .(if you like that one, put it on hold).

EDIT to add that the diamond you posted above, I wouldn't recommend. With such a large stone, I'd really suggest sticking to VS1 clarity or higher.

OK, one more edit to answer your question, no, clarity will not affect the fire of the diamond unless it's a really really bad I1 (so not something you should worry about), the only thing that does affect the fire and performance of the stone is the cut.

 

[LaraOnline]

Hi guys, should i change to this diamond? They have this diamond listed at 135k.
http://www.b2cjewels.com/Images//Certificate//3452141.pdf

it is a 4.02 round diamond. It is a F color but is a VS2. Will vs2 reduce the diamond fire since it is not clear? I used the HCA cut adviser and it gave me 1.5 score which is still good..

What do you think?

F is a lovely high colour and I think the clarity grade is great as well. I wouldn't let VS2 put you off at all! Of course, ideally you would get to look at the stone in person, as each stone really should be judged on its own merits. The HCA score looks very encouraging.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

EDIT to add that the diamond you posted above, I wouldn't recommend. With such a large stone, I'd really suggest sticking to VS1 clarity or higher.

OK, one more edit to answer your question, no, clarity will not affect the fire of the diamond unless it's a really really bad I1 (so not something you should worry about), the only thing that does affect the fire and performance of the stone is the cut.

Whoooooaaaahhh!!
Hold everything.

04Diamonds, you have a lot of responsibility at stake here - your reputation and a shoppers big spend.

I have seen GIA graded diamonds as small as 1/2 ct VS2 that are totally loupe clean, but rather dead from clouds (and no fluoro).
The larger you go, the more important clarity becomes in mid range clarity. VS2 in 4ct is often eye visible.
Here is a little tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMbGl5TWrCc its less than 5 minutes.

 

[SB621]

Comparing a 1.7 carat to a 4 carat in terms of color isn't being a fair comparison.

Large stones absorb body color more. If you are color adverse, even a G might not be good enough at a 4 carat size.

+1 and I still want to know what labs certs were given on the diamonds you saw in person. If they were EGL (what most B&M stores carry then no wonder you see color). I would still want to see the BGD in person to see what it looks like. My 5ct has alot more color from the side view then top down view. Whatever you buy make sure they have an excellent return policey.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I think she expects G color, and I do not think you should go below VS1. I can now see why you were looking at VVS, but one step down to VS1 is hardly "junk". I have a VS1 diamond and that is considered high clarity around here. Most inclusions are hard to see with a 10x loupe, so that is plently clean to me. I can see no inclusions at all in my stone.

If I were you, I'd call someone like Good Old Gold in NY who runs light performance testing for you and will also video the stone. I just think if you are spending over $100k, you need to know you are buying the best possible stone available. They can search diamond suppliers and see what they can locate over 3.8 cts and G VS1 or higher. They can access most of the virtual stones you are seeing on other online vendors.

I am glad you are trying to find a good quality stone as opposed to just buying size above all else. And it is a very good thing you came here before buying. I was getting an anniversary diamond a few years ago and stumbled on to this site. I never left! But what I will tell you is that I have bought some outstanding diamonds since that time, and it has been through excellent vendors I found through this site. I saved money and I got top quality diamonds.

 

[msop04]

I think she expects G color, and I do not think you should go below VS1. I can now see why you were looking at VVS, but I one step down to VS1 is hardly "junk".

If I were you, I'd call someone like Good Old Gold in NY who runs light performance testing for you and will also video the stone. I just think if you are spending over $100k, you need to know you are buying the best possible stone available. They can search diamond suppliers and see what they can locate over 3.8 cts and G VS1 or higher.

+1
This!

 

[04diamond<3]

EDIT to add that the diamond you posted above, I wouldn't recommend. With such a large stone, I'd really suggest sticking to VS1 clarity or higher.

OK, one more edit to answer your question, no, clarity will not affect the fire of the diamond unless it's a really really bad I1 (so not something you should worry about), the only thing that does affect the fire and performance of the stone is the cut.

Whoooooaaaahhh!!
Hold everything.

04Diamonds, you have a lot of responsibility at stake here - your reputation and a shoppers big spend.

I have seen GIA graded diamonds as small as 1/2 ct VS2 that are totally loupe clean, but rather dead from clouds (and no fluoro).
The larger you go, the more important clarity becomes in mid range clarity. VS2 in 4ct is often eye visible.
Here is a little tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMbGl5TWrCc its less than 5 minutes.

Not sure why the point out because I did say "With such a large stone, I'd suggest sticking to VS1 or better!!!" ..........