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donblaximus

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Looking to buy a center stone for an engagement ring soon.

Was thinking about this one but then plugged the numbers into the HCA and they came back ok when using % and horrid when using angle.

Your thoughts please? Thanks in Advance!!

Round Brilliant
Measurements: 8.61 - 8.64 x 5.14 mm
Carat Weight: 2.32 carat
Color Grade: J
Clarity Grade: IF
Cut Grade: Excellent
Proportions:
Depth: 59.6%
Table: 61%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 13.0%
Pavilion Angle: 41.4°
Pavilion Depth: 43.5%
Star length: 55%
Lower Half: 85%
Girdle: Thin to Medium
Culet: Small
Finish:
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None
Comments: Minor details of polish are not shown.
 

kenny

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Re: Please give me feedback on this diamond ***numbers look

Are you sure the table is 61%?

I'd reject any round that scored over 2.0, but check the numbers for accuracy.

Here it is using %:


Here it is using angles:

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kenny

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Re: Please give me feedback on this diamond ***numbers look

Do you really want a J IF?
You are paying a TON extra for an IF.

If you have seen all the colors and clarities in person and understand what they do to the price then fine.
Are you aware that anything VS2 and better will almost always be eye clean to the naked eye?
Also an IF will not look any brighter or well cut or more sparkly - that is determined by the angles of the cut not the clarity.
Sure, if you drop down to very polluted I1s or I2s brightness may be affected.

Do you know some people can see and do not like the body color in a J?
Often people will go to that color to get a larger diamond, which is fine but to get a J IF is unusual.
Moar people would opt for something near the range of G VS2 or an SI1 that is eye clean.

Sorry if you've already done your learning and arrived at those specs.
 

donblaximus

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Re: Please give me feedback on this diamond ***numbers look

Thank you Kenny for the great feedback. My original specs I was looking at was an H VS1 but came across this stone. It was cut big, when put next to a 2.50 it looked similar in size. The IF was cool but not necessary. I understand it typically ads a TON in price as you state but this particular rock was offered to me at a price which seemed very reasonable.....$22k. When I called another jeweler to see what he had to sell me, I gave him the GIA number on this stone and he flat out told me that $22k for that rock is a great deal and that I should go buy it immediately. I found that very cool of a person who could have potentially sold me something to tell me that.

But now that I plug the numbers into the HCA, they are coming back rather poorly. This is why I am having second thoughts........



kenny|1306993866|2936044 said:
Do you really want a J IF?
You are paying a TON extra for an IF.

If you have seen all the colors and clarities in person and understand what they do to the price then fine.
Are you aware that anything VS2 and better will almost always be eye clean to the naked eye?
Also an IF will not look any brighter or well cut or more sparkly - that is determined by the angles of the cut not the clarity.
Sure, if you drop down to very polluted I1s or I2s brightness may be affected.

Do you know some people can see and do not like the body color in a J?
Often people will go to that color to get a larger diamond, which is fine but to get a J IF is unusual.
Moar people would opt for something near the range of G VS2 or an SI1 that is eye clean.

Sorry if you've already done your learning and arrived at those specs.
 

Dancing Fire

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Re: Please give me feedback on this diamond ***numbers look

i would never buy an RB with a greater table % than the depth %,plus the stone has no crown height... :knockout:
 

kenny

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Re: Please give me feedback on this diamond ***numbers look

When using HCA crown and pavilion angles are more accurate than percentages.
That means the 5.5 is more accurate than the 2.3.

I would not buy this diamond.
It's not well cut.

The beauty of a diamond's light performance is determined by cut.
Reject rounds that score over 2.0 on the HCA.
When you find a few that score under 2.0 check their Idealscope pics.

https://www.pricescope.com/tools/ideal-scope

Compare them to this reference chart:

http://www.ideal-scope.com/1.using_reference_chart.asp
 
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