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Please Advise on this Rock and decipher Ideal scope and Asset

Yes, I am open to other ideal cuts as well. I first started searching on blue niles but it was really hard to find a diamond with ideal cut, maybe I didn't know what proportions to look for and didn't know how to play with their filter.

I like #3 that you recommended from JA, it could be a tiny bit bigger (7.45 mm) but I guess that is the trade off for going 2 colors up. I will request for the IS and post back.
 
Great. I would personally put both 2 and 3 on hold ask for IS on both... I like to keep my options open and the setting sale is just a few more days. Your call...
 
Yes. They will have the same color grading by AGS and positive effect of being SuperIdeal. AGS is a bit more lax on color than GIA (but stricter on cut), so have them show you super-ideals and GIA ideals next to each other. You'll see color the best at around 45 degree to 90 degrees tilt.

Take pictures...we LOVE looking at diamonds around here. :cheeky:
 
Yes! Please please please take pictures!
 
I have been doing some browsing this weekend and with my 10k-12k budget it looks like it breaks down to the age old question color vs size.

My original 1.608 I was 7.53mm x7.56mm
vs
1.4-1.5 G-H. 7.23-7.35mm x7.23-7.35 mm

Which would you get? :wall:

Also, if you find any ideal G-H that's bigger than my 7.35mmx7.35 please send them my way=)2
 
This is what you said in the beginning , "She prefers a good size (1.3-1.9 carats) over color or clarity ( but at least eye clean, okay if well hidden.)"

If that is still true the 1.6 ACA gets you there more than the G.

How about this as a compromise? Maybe ask WF to compare this H to your I. . If this is as eye-clean as the I, I'd go with this one.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3636386.htm {7.49}

If your setting budget remains 1-2K, I would look at the Legato Sleek for a solitaire or one of these halos (but ask for the diamond to be set lower in the halo).

https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...ings/amphora-diamond-engagement-ring-1039.htm {this has slightly larger diamonds on the setting and might appeal to her bling need and will make the difference in width between an G, I and H almost invisible)

https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...1rz1323-halo-diamond-engagement-ring-3881.htm {tell them to set the diamond as low as possible where the girdle rests just over the halo, this is set way too high}

You want the ring to look like the one on the right not left. Its prettier IMHO and will also make body color harder to detect.
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rockysalamander said:
This is what you said in the beginning , "She prefers a good size (1.3-1.9 carats) over color or clarity ( but at least eye clean, okay if well hidden.)"

If that is still true the 1.6 ACA gets you there more than the G.

How about this as a compromise? Maybe ask WF to compare this H to your I. . If this is as eye-clean as the I, I'd go with this one.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3636386.htm {7.49}

If your setting budget remains 1-2K, I would look at the Legato Sleek for a solitaire or one of these halos (but ask for the diamond to be set lower in the halo).

https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...ings/amphora-diamond-engagement-ring-1039.htm {this has slightly larger diamonds on the setting and might appeal to her bling need and will make the difference in width between an G, I and H almost invisible)

https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...1rz1323-halo-diamond-engagement-ring-3881.htm {tell them to set the diamond as low as possible where the girdle rests just over the halo, this is set way too high}

You want the ring to look like the one on the right not left. Its prettier IMHO and will also make body color harder to detect.
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Update:
Appointment with HPD got push back, still waiting for the stones to arrive at the showroom near me.

Meanwhiles, I saw a new stone on WF and saw some inconsistency on the ASET image compare to the Original 1.608 ct. Does the red center vs the green mean it reflects off more light? and what does the unsymmetrical center arrows vs the perfect octagon will mean for light performance?
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Un-symmetric not on Idealscope?
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Original 1.608 Ct
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It doesn't matter if it's red or green. It just means that the pavilion angle is different and it will receive light from above 45° or below 45°.

Pavilion Angle:

Red = >40.768
Green = <40.768
 
I was just reading about the green vs. red ASET centers. Like lalala said, it doesn't make a difference and neither is better than the other :)
 
Hello everyone, sorry for the late update.

I finally went to a CBI showroom this week, it has been hard to schedule a time for me since my closest showroom does not open on weekends and it was in the middle of Manhattan. For those of you who's not from the northeast, its a nightmare to get around in Manhattan after work and especially during a weekday.

Two of the main things I wanted to find out was comparing the colors G, H, I (Picture below) and seeing the size in person. From first glance I was able to tell the 3 different tint colors belly up which was no surprise, and I'm sure they will be less obvious when they're not lined up side by side with a white background. I have to say in person the color differences was very minimal but the tint was there, the G also looked beautiful, completely white and blue all the way through.

HPD 1.5 G SI1
HPD 1.4 H SI2
HPD 1.5 I SI1
HPD 1.66 I VS2

Picture 1: From L to R G,H,I
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Picture 2: From L to R G,H,I
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From the front, first glance it was very hard to see the differences between G, H and I, but if you take a good look at the I you can see the diamond has almost a brown color in the store and the H has it too but much less and even harder to see. While the G looks white/blue.
Picture 3: From L to R G,H,I
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Picture 4: From L to R G,H,I
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In terms of clarity, the HPD did a amazing job hiding the inclusions of the SI2 and was completely eye clean. In fact, if you casual glance at all three of the diamonds they look nearly identical. I'm glad I was able to visit the showroom, it really reshuffle which C's are more important.

Overall took away, Most obvious to least obvious going down:
-Size: I think each time you jump .2 - .3 carats you could tell it looks much bigger. When I looked at the 1.4 compare to the 1.66 it was noticeably bigger and everyone in my family gravitated towards the larger one since they were all super ideal cut.

-Color: I is fine if I could get a really good deal but would be my last choice, H to me is the sweet spot, G would be beautiful if it fits in the budget.

-Clarity: if eye clean, this is probably one of the least important since I looked at a SI2 and I was not able to see anything.

Question I came out with:
I wish I was able to compare cut. When I looked at these rocks in person I realize how small they really are and the 20x magnifications in the pictures online really magnified their flaws as well and majority of the time these flaws are not visible to our eyes. Which lead to me question, do super ideal cut really out performance a GIA 3X with super ideal proportions? are they even noticeable side by side to the average consumer like me? or is it very minimal like comparing F color to a D situation?

I believe I came out re-shuttling size being the most important since it is the most noticeable then color then clarity but where should cut fit? :think: I still want it to shine really white and give off the most scintillation/fire.
 
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It's a shame they didn't show case you an average GIAXXX at the same time so you could compare!

Worth noting, not all SI2s are safe, these ones are especially vetted by CBI
 
Part two of the story:

After the showroom I met up with my SO and since the showroom was next to the Tiffany & Co we stopped by the big T as well. We tried on lots of settings and size and the most important hint I got from this visit was she liked the 1.7 carat size wise and it doesn't have to be Tiffany (phew.. bc this ring was $40,000 :eek2:) I was able to get the spec from the sales rep. From the spec the crown angles are off and is not super ideal? anything else off?

1.71 ct G VVS1 7.64 - 7.68 x 4.75 mm
CUT PROPORTIONS
TOTAL DEPTH PERCENTAGE 62.0%
TABLE SIZE PERCENTAGE 56%
CROWN HEIGHT PERCENTAGE 15.7%
CROWN ANGLE 35.4°
PAVILION DEPTH PERCENTAGE 43.1%
PAVILION ANGLE 40.9°
GIRDLE THICKNESS Medium
GIRDLE FINISH Faceted
CULET None
LOWER HALF LENGTH PERCENTAGE 80%
STAR LENGTH PERCENTAGE 54%

Another thing I notice was the Tiffany Ring was really dirty but it was a VVS1 so I assume they just need to clean the diamond

1.68 Tiffany Halo, 1.71 Tiffany Solitaire
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lalala said:
Very cool! So now you just need to figure out cut. Have you taken a look at this thread? Jump to page 4 for videos:

https://www.pricescope.com/communit...lor-clarity-or-compromise-cut-with-ja.235191/

I do think it is harder to tell by a video/pic from a cell phone than what you'll see in person with your own eyes. Will you have another opportunity to go back and compare the CBI(s) to a non-super ideal?
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Yes, I have been following. I think at the moment I will try to find a ideal GIA 3X similar to the 1.71
(7.64 - 7.68 x 4.75 mm) size range first. Maybe I'll do what Drizzle did and just buy it and compare it to the CBI in their showroom.
 
Coconutpalm said:
Yes, I have been following. I think at the moment I will try to find a ideal GIA 3X similar to the 1.71
(7.64 - 7.68 x 4.75 mm) size range first. Maybe I'll do what Drizzle did and just buy it and compare it to the CBI in their showroom.
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The CBI showroom should be able to get you a GIA XXX with good angles to compare to, and you shouldn't need to buy it if they have 'on memo' arrangements with local wholesalers.

Do they sell stones other than CBI? If so, they should be able to pull one out of the safe! I know that's what @Wink does when showcasing his CBI stones :)
 
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