Pink Diamonds (OEC) used in Art Deco rings????? (historical info. needed)

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Hi does anyone know the history of OEC with pink diamonds as center stone in Art Deco plat. rings circa 1920''s?

I''m about to "pull the trigger" on one but it has no paperwork but a 30 day return policy. Who should I send it to for grading/appraisal?

I''ve seen sapphires and other stones used but not fancies.

Thanks!!!

 

[oldminer]

VERY UNUSUAL! A truly original Art Deco piece with a pink diamond that is natural and original to the ring. You could wait thirty years or more to see a second one. I would absolutely question every element of the authenticity of the total item and origin of color of the diamond, too.

Get the every detail in written form BEFORE you put your money into the piece. I hope it is all as it should be. What a special piece.

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Date: 3/24/2008 5:33:15 PM
Author: oldminer
VERY UNUSUAL! A truly original Art Deco piece with a pink diamond that is natural and original to the ring. You could wait thirty years or more to see a second one. I would absolutely question every element of the authenticity of the total item and origin of color of the diamond, too.

Get the every detail in written form BEFORE you put your money into the piece. I hope it is all as it should be. What a special piece.

So much thanks for the SPEEDY reply OM. As always you fly out of the blue when I need you!

The seller says he''s a graduate gemologist

and that everything is correct as stated:

"PLATINUM and circa 1920s. Has an SI2 Natural Transitional cut Pink Diamond (he clarified to say it''s OEC). Circa 1930s and flanked by .30ct in VVS G Diamond Baguettes. NICE piece and one of a kind. Stunning."

followed by return policy:

"I do accept RETURNS and there will be a 20% Restocking fee-Relisting Fee on ANY RETURN that is sent back within 30 days of your winning bid only. After 30 days there are no returns, no exceptions so it is to your benefit to PAY ON TIME AND EARLY. If there is a GROSS error that merits a FULL RETURN then I will review the return and quickly resolve the matter. I have been in the jewelry business for 15 years and want you to be happy with your purchase."

I know, I know, that damned restocking BS.

But you are saying this is a highly rare, unusual combination - pink w/baguettes & plat. circa 1920''s or 30''s?????

 

[neatfreak]

I think he''s saying that it''s rare-so you should be careful. I''m not sure I like his phrasing if that is his phrasing about the stone. Makes it sound as if the pink might not be real but the diamond is...hmmm...

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Date: 3/24/2008 5:45:18 PM
Author: neatfreak
I think he''s saying that it''s rare-so you should be careful. I''m not sure I like his phrasing if that is his phrasing about the stone. Makes it sound as if the pink might not be real but the diamond is...hmmm...

Thanks NF but he clarified to say "all the diamonds are real" I guess he didn''t specify the pink one though! I''m waiting for a last email to clarify stats on the center stone.

I''ll keep you posted.

This might be one of those too good to be true deals

 

[poshpepper]

Date: 3/24/2008 5:48:54 PM
Author: lisa1.01fvs1
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This might be one of those too good to be true deals

I looked up the pictures and I have to say they aren''t making me feel any better about the sellers description... and it looks like there is a large feather like inclusion in the center stone (did you ask the seller if it is eye-clean?). I would be VERY careful with this... you already know what they say... If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
G/L with your decision.

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Date: 3/24/2008 5:52:59 PM
Author: poshpepper

Date: 3/24/2008 5:48:54 PM
Author: lisa1.01fvs1
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This might be one of those too good to be true deals

I looked up the pictures and I have to say they aren''t making me feel any better about the sellers description... and it looks like there is a large feather like inclusion in the center stone (did you ask the seller if it is eye-clean?). I would be VERY careful with this... you already know what they say... If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
G/L with your decision.

Thanks PP yeah I asked about the inclusions and I''ll post a pic right now, still waiting for hia reply....

 

[denverappraiser]

A 20% restocking fee on returns for any reason would be enough to kill the deal for me. Natural origin of color is not an easy call, even for expert and well-equipped gemologists. 'Real' means different things to different people and it's a curious choice of words. As opposed to what? Imaginary? If it means natural and untreated, I’m curious how he/she came to this conclusion. I’m with Dave, this is a highly suspicious claim.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Date: 3/24/2008 5:57:19 PM
Author: denverappraiser
A 20% restocking fee on returns for any reason would be enough to kill the deal for me. Natural origin of color is not an easy call, even for expert and well-equipped gemologists. ''Real'' means different things to different people. As opposed to what? I’m curious how he/she came to this conclusion. I’m with Dave, this is a highly suspicious claim.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

Thanks Denver.

You guys are the best! So glad some of you have helped reign me in - my newbieness is going to kill me!

And I''m not usually a sucker!

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

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[lisa1.01fvs1]

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[lisa1.01fvs1]

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[lisa1.01fvs1]

OK he wrote back.

Very interesting in regards to my asking if SI2 was "eye clean."

Seller:

"No idea...no carbon and very clean. If you are that focused...you are better off buying at Tiffany and Co but paying a fortune "

Guess, I''ll have to do that to have peace of mind but there are still 3 hrs. left...............

 

[ponderer]

20% restocking fee... not good.

Check or cashiers check only (no credit card or paypal).... really not good.

Huge inclusion in pic 3 and vague answers.... sounds really shady.

Ready a couple of Ebay stories from pricescope before your next bid.

 

[surfgirl]

No way, dont do it. His replies sound shady at best. And as Old Miner said already, such a stone is VERY rare and I''m not sure what the price is but if you can afford it, chances are it''s not real! Not that I know what you can afford but something like that would no doubt be natural in color and carry a very high price tag.

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Date: 3/24/2008 7:40:08 PM
Author: ponderer
20% restocking fee... not good.

Check or cashiers check only (no credit card or paypal).... really not good.

Huge inclusion in pic 3 and vague answers.... sounds really shady.

Ready a couple of Ebay stories from pricescope before your next bid.

Thanks for the back-up ponderer. DUH, this was so obviously dumb.

I just got all panicky and excited and started to research and then thought of PS, yes, my firends on PS will help calm me down.

But the question''s still a good one: are there any OEC pink diamond art deco plat rings out there?

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Date: 3/24/2008 7:46:59 PM
Author: surfgirl
No way, dont do it. His replies sound shady at best. And as Old Miner said already, such a stone is VERY rare and I''m not sure what the price is but if you can afford it, chances are it''s not real! Not that I know what you can afford but something like that would no doubt be natural in color and carry a very high price tag.

Thanks SG.

You are right.

I''ll post what it finally sold for.

 

[LegacyGirl]

I''m glad you decided to pass. I looked it up and the inclusion was the first thing I noticed.

 

[LegacyGirl]

Oh and his response was complete BS...

 

[LGK]

I think you did the right thing passing on that. To answer your question about pink OECS: I just bought a 1910/1920ish platinum ring with a 1.08 ct OEC that is an interesting greyish pinkish color. The seller just called it an M color grade, no mention of it''s interesting color in the auction, so it was a surprise. (No cert, it''s never been out of the setting as far as I can tell). It''s maybe a couple grades deeper in color than M, maybe O/P/Q, but the color is fascinating; not much brown, no yellow at all- pink & grey are the two colors that show in different lights. I suspect there are some "pinkish" ones like mine- an off color that happens to include some pink tones, rather than a OEC with a color that would actually be graded as "fancy pink" or whatever. I''ve been working at an antique mall that sells a lot of estate jewelry for 10 years and I can say I''ve never seen one that would be a true pink- I saw one other antique stone similar to mine a few years ago, that was an off color towards pink, but mixed with brown rather than grey . (I bought mine off eBay, actually, but the seller had tons of good feedback and was super, super nice and helpful despite my many endless questions, and would accept a return if I wanted- no restocking fee... and no snarky emails either

)

If you''re curious, you can see it in my SMTR thread here.

 

[ponderer]

No problem Lisa,

I just had a gut feeling that your 30 day return period would be no good once they had your check in hand.

We all need a reality check now and then.

Right now I wish some one would talk me out of going to see a 5000 sq ft forclosed home tomorrow. (And I still have not reset my ering).

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

SOLD for $1,975.00.

 

[lisa1.01fvs1]

Thanks so much Surfgirl, Legacygirl & Littlegreykitten, Ponderer and everyone else.

This was an interesting one wasn''t it?

Kitten your ring is Amazing

. I am not that versed in OEC but am beginning to feel a new obsession coming on.

And you''re right his "snarky" email was jerkish - go to Tiff''s! Why I already did that!

You guys are my 12 step.