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Date: 6/12/2008 12:37:57 AM
Author: Cocosgirl
OH BOY I have to echo neverendingupgrade to caveat all my posts by saying -- this is definitely just my OPINION! I can totally appreciate the low clarity threshold -- for me I have the best of both worlds that I am totally cool with lower colors (G-K) and clarity is just not an issue if I''m looking at fantastically cut stones. I recently picked out a pair of gorgeous studs (that put my own J/SI2''s to SHAME) for my sister''s 35th that were H/SI1, not even certed (brother-in-law was so beyond irritated by my standards and refused to buy online) and I have to say they were still light years beyond mine in terms of cut and color and look fantastic at a really great price.

SO. Really, the choice is yours. I will still highly recommend giving the folks at WF or GOG (Marie & Jonathan have been a huge help to me with info in the past) a shout to see what else they may have in-stock or can get in stock that will rock your world!

Here''s to true love!
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Coco''s right, if we haven''t said it enough, call Jonathan and have a conversation with him. He is the absolute coolest guy. He will totally put you at ease and stay within your budget! AND he will have a gorgeous diamond complete with setting out to you in no time!
 
Where do I find this Jonathon guy?

Contact details? ))

much appreciated.
 
And can please someone expalin to me...

when I ask for eye-clean... what answer am I going to get? Something with a range? Whats good whats bad?

Please help with this last one.

Apart from that.

I should be able to by looking at all previous post find the perfect sparkling diamond thats as big as possible for 2000-2500.

:)
 
No, you are not going to get a range. Like I said before, eye-clean usually means that you won't see any inclusions from half an arm's length away, which is the distance somebody usually holds their hand from their eyes when looking at their diamond, or their friends looking at their diamonds. It means that you will see visible inclusions under like 10x magnification.

If you are looking at SI2 diamonds and up, you probably don't need to worry about it. I1 and I2, yes.

When you ask Jonathan if a particular stone is "eye clean", and he says yes, it means that you won't see any noticeable inclusions with the unaided eye. I said earlier that my lower clarity limit is an SI1, however, I now have Jonathan sourcing me an SI2 that is "eye clean". He lets several people in his shop look at it to determine eye-cleanness.

Personally, I think you are worrying way too much about it. Keep in mind that you are talking about something that you can't hardly see. With all the faceting and sparkling going on, you won't have to worry about any of Jonathan's SI2's. Keep in mind that inclusions are listed on the certification report and whoever you buy your diamond from can explain them to you. You are at the point where you need to start talking to vendors since you have several diamonds picked out and let them guide you from here.
 
awesome, thank you kindly.

i will look through all suggested ones. from beginning to end. and talk to these vendors and hopefully decide on one in the next few days.

Problem is only that I live in NZ and I can''t call during the day ?!? Hopefully I''ll be able to get through in the weekend :) If not Monday first thing. :)

Oh well... thank you all soooooooo much!!!!!!!!

I so hope that I find the right one and buy it, get it in time and propose and she says yes... all my worries will be gone once she says YESSSS :)))))))))))

I cant wait... 5 July is near :) Bring it on... but only after I got the perfect ring!

THANKS ALL SOOOOOOOOO MUCHHHHH :)
 
I have always dealt with Jonathan by email. I have only talked to him by phone once, when I was buying my 1.05 ct. Jubilee cut. He is very good about getting back. Please post photos of the ring you choose!
 
Date: 6/12/2008 6:30:47 PM
Author: bad_krusty
awesome, thank you kindly.

i will look through all suggested ones. from beginning to end. and talk to these vendors and hopefully decide on one in the next few days.

Problem is only that I live in NZ and I can''t call during the day ?!? Hopefully I''ll be able to get through in the weekend :) If not Monday first thing. :)

Oh well... thank you all soooooooo much!!!!!!!!

I so hope that I find the right one and buy it, get it in time and propose and she says yes... all my worries will be gone once she says YESSSS :)))))))))))

I cant wait... 5 July is near :) Bring it on... but only after I got the perfect ring!

THANKS ALL SOOOOOOOOO MUCHHHHH :)
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Jonathan just told me that he will be at work until 9pm tonight, New York time. Maybe you''ll be awake to call him? I know it is hard with different time zones.
 
I am at work next 5 hours
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I just sent him an email... hopefully he will reply :D
 
GUYS!!!! I Need some more help!!!

I think I have narrowed it down to 3 diamonds.

Please see them and pass on your votes. I need to decide on this over the weekend - URGENTLY :)

Here are the contenders:

1.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1122729.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
is a 0.83carrat diamond, Cut is Ideal, Colour H, Clarity SI1, Total Visual Performance using the Cut Adviser is 1.2 and costs US$2,320 + US$250 for ring, totals US$2,570

2.
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-540895.htm
is a 0.76carrat diamond, Cut is A cut above H&A, Colour J, Clarity VS2, Total Visual Performance using the Cut Adviser is 1.0 and costs US$2,395 + US$325 for ring, totals US$2,720

3.
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3769
is a 0.81carrat diamond, Cut is ?, Colour I, Clarity SI2, Total Visual Performance using the Cut Adviser is 1.2 and costs US$2,705.59 + US$250-325 for ring, totals US$2955.59 - 3030.59

GUYS PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME.... which do you think is the best?

Many thanks.
 
I'm no expert, but I think they are all equally good, all ideal cuts. Is cost a factor? The GOG diamond is a "Tolkowsky" which is kinda like a name-brand diamond, so maybe that's why it's more. I just bought this diamond today from GOG: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3823
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I LOVE GOG!!!

The next factor you might want to take into account is color. You have an H-I-J set, it goes right down the line. I have an H color and now an I. My H is awesome. I started a topic about J-M color diamonds a while ago. You might want to look at that (http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/Color/)

I know you were worried about "eye-cleanness" in the SI2's. Email James Allen and ask if that .83 ct. H/SI2 is eye-clean, specifically is it free of black carbon spots, etc just for your own peace of mind. Lastly, make sure you like the upgrade policy of the vendor. You are putting a lot of time into choosing this diamond, but believe it or not, someday, you and your wife might decide it is time for a 1, 1.5 or 2 ct. You never know!

Out of the 3, the James Allen diamond faces up the largest, so you might want to consider that! Hope that helps. There are worse things than finding 3 great diamonds all at one time!
 
HI! Well first off, eye clean is what everyone says it is, you can''t see the inclusions from an arms link away. However, if you get a fab. cut stone...it''s HIGHLY unlikely that you''ll see anything. I personally worked with Joanthan, and I told him that I am going to be looking at my diamond as close as i can get it to my eyes just to see if I can see the flaw...so I wanted it so eye clean that there wasn''t any possible way I could see ANYTHING! Well, needless to say, the inclusion is clear and under a prong (or so I''ve been told) I have searched high and low...and still haven''t found it! Every once in a while I''ll be like ah-hah! And then...whatever it was is gone...and then I can''t find it again! I''m thinking its the light reflecting on my stone from my prongs. So you can ask to have a diaomd THAT eyeclean. Jonathan is GREAT to work with. He was my BETTER than my eyes could have EVER been! I say you should get an I colored stone because in a H&A (hearts and arrows) it will face up white anyways, and you probably won''t even tell the difference. There is no reason to spend the $$ on something you probably wont notice a difference on. Some ppl can see the difference though, but MANY can''t unless there are sitting right next to another stone of higher color. Then I say you should get either an SI1 or SI2 eyeclean. Now you can ask Jonathan to find you a stone that the inclusion will be covered up by the prong, and if you get a H&A stone, even if it''s not coverd up, you''ll be so amazed at the SPARKLES that you''ll NEVER see it! Thats just me though.
Here is one from GOG at the top of your diamond budget! It''s looks like a winner to me! But I don''t know numbers and Jon would have to tell you for sure though! It''s a H&A so thats a start!
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3769/


LOL I just seen that the diamond I picked is the last one on your last post! I say check it out and ask Jonathan! It'' looks like a winner to me and a GREAT size for you $$$!!! You''re GF wont be able to say yes because she''s going to be blown away by the ring you spent time on picking out for her! Don''t worry though, once she recovers from the SPARKLE and SHOCK she''ll say YES for sure! Congrats in advance!
 
Oh to answer ur question about the # 3. from GOG that we both picked, you have a ? under cut......the answer to that it the cut is hearts and arrows, which is AMAZING! The best you can get! It will sparkle like you''ve never seen before!
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A little late to the party to weigh in but I would go with the WF stone or the GOG stone (and IMHO I think they are both gorgeous). The JA stone does face up bigger, but that black carbon inclusion really freaks me out -- but if JA said it was eyeclean then I might go for that one.

Good luck and let us know what you decide!!
 
Date: 6/14/2008 2:46:25 PM
Author: Cocosgirl
A little late to the party to weigh in but I would go with the WF stone or the GOG stone (and IMHO I think they are both gorgeous). The JA stone does face up bigger, but that black carbon inclusion really freaks me out -- but if JA said it was eyeclean then I might go for that one.

Good luck and let us know what you decide!!
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Don''t worry, there isn''t a black carbon spot, I was just using that as an example of what he might be asking about regarding eye-cleaness!
 
Ok here is the update:

Option 2. has disappeared... someone else has snatched up the diamond.
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So it''s option 1 or 3.

Jonathan replied telling me that I need to decide fast, unfortunately he is now away till Tuesday. GOG not open Sunday Monday...
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In the mean time I am waiting on a response from James Allen for the eye-clean and is it has any black spots as suggested by you guys.

The problem I have with GOG is that they only have a 14c white gold setting and it looks very weird. Its a funny pic... Here are the ring choices:

GOG - http://www.goodoldgold.com/setting/S-140401H/ only 14carrat though... your guys thoughts?

James Allen - 18c looks amazing on the pic. http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/classic-solitaire-settings.asp

I am now more worried about the pic of the GOG ring and wonder if 14c is good enough for such a special ring.

I don''t have the option of getting ring somewhere else, mounting it etc... no time.

I need to get this now asap. on Tuesday latest I have to order it.

So what I need is advice if 14c is good enough and if you guys think that the ring is actually better than the pic as the pic is very very weird. Or if I should go for the JA one?

YOUR THOUGHTS? AS ALWAYS MUCH APPRECIATED :)

Thanks.

We are almost there.

:)




1.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1122729.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
is a 0.83carrat diamond, Cut is Ideal, Colour H, Clarity SI1, Total Visual Performance using the Cut Adviser is 1.2 and costs US$2,320 + US$250 for ring, totals US$2,570
2.
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-540895.htm
is a 0.76carrat diamond, Cut is A cut above H&A, Colour J, Clarity VS2, Total Visual Performance using the Cut Adviser is 1.0 and costs US$2,395 + US$325 for ring, totals US$2,720
3.
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3769
is a 0.81carrat diamond, Cut is ?, Colour I, Clarity SI2, Total Visual Performance using the Cut Adviser is 1.2 and costs US$2,705.59 + US$250-325 for ring, totals US$2955.59 - 3030.59
 
I don''t think it looks weird...you can get it in 18 kt if you want.

If they''re both eye-clean, then I''d go with the James Allen one. It''s in your budget and it''s an H.
 
Hi JulieN,

Everyone tells me that the sparkle in the GOG diamond is amazing, but people are also telling me to most likely go with the JA diamond and I really would prefer that as they have the 18k white gold setting that I think looks amazing.

I don''t like the GOG ring for some reason and it''s 14k. They don''t have 18k and I don''t have the time to wait for them to source one.

Cost for GOG would be $2,705

Cost for JA would be $2,570

So JA is much cheaper, bigger, but it seems that GOG diamond has this special cut that JA doesn''t. The Heart and Arrow. So I am stuck between a rock and a hard place and really don''t know what to do.

Do I go with the more expensive diamond thats apparently sparkle.com and I can only get the 14k white gold ring with it that doesn''t look that promosing on the pic or do I go for the cheaper, bigger, v v v nice ring that seems amazing, but only perhaps less better cut? Very hard decision and since I''m a libra, can''t make it haha

WHAT DO I DO?

Is there a big difference between the cut of the JA and GOG diamond? Does anyone know?

Is JA diamond not the heart cut?

Please HELP HELP HELP

I have to get this PERFECT - I''m almost there...

:)
 
I don''t care if a stone has hearts and arrows. As long as it has a good arrow pattern (not splintery) and good light return, it''s ok.

Most people can''t tell the difference anyway, so why pay more?

Which setting on James Allen are you talking about?
 
First of all, why can't you get the GOG setting in 18K? Is it because they only have 14K in stock and you only have a few days left? There is absolutely nothing wrong with 14K and I personally don't see anything wrong with the setting at GOG. I don't think it looks weird at all, but of course this is just personal preference. It is a Stuller, which is a good quality brand. It looks like a standard solitaire to me. Will the setting just be a temporary setting until you and your fiance can find a more permanant home for the diamond?

I'm sure the cut of the James Allen diamond is fine. It rates 1.2 on the HCA, so it's bound to be good, as far as I know.

The only other factor you might want to keep in mind is the upgrade policy. With JA, you can trade up for at least 2 times the original price you paid. With GOG, you can trade up for a diamond $500 more than your original price. This may or may not make a difference to you. Have you heard back from JA? Did you know that if you are even slightly interested in the GOG diamond, that you can place a $500 credit card deposit on the diamond, and if you change your mind, they will refund your money promptly? Just a thought until you make a decision.

PS. If you decide to put a deposit on the GOG diamond, click on "Reserve Diamond" then "Checkout". After you put in your personal info, you will then be taken to a page where you have several options on how to pay for the diamond. One of the options is to put a $500 credit card deposit now, pay the rest later either by credit card or wire. That way, the diamond won't disappear like the WF one.
 
Yeah it''s because i don''t have enough time. and they only have 14k in stock.
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I like the $500 deposit, and am suprised I would get everything back, what stops people from reserving 20 diamonds.. surely there must be some part which is not refundable?!?

All of you guys told me that you''d go for JA, and now its GOG... everyone confusing me... everyone said get the bigger JA one as its ideal cut is almost the same as H&A quality and that if its eye-clean to get that one. I writtent o them and am waiting for their response. But I have to wait a while as its here 1pm Monday and there it''s still Sunday. Luckily JA opens on Mondays whereas GOG is only open on Tuesday so for me that''s wednesday
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I am running out of time....

come on, I narrowed it down to two diamonds... which one do i get?????????

Setting, yes, I could possibly change it later depending on wedding rings and to match that. so 14k might be ok. But the picture is very very weird. I don''t know why, what are those 2 black marks on the second picture when you look at its profile?!!?!?!
 
The two black spots are reflections. Nothing wrong with the ring. You could check out the Stuller.com website for a better photo of what they make.

Normally on PS, people give their opinions and the original poster then makes an educated guess. You are getting confused because you are reading a bunch of opinions from a bunch of people not invested in your decision. Are you possibly leaning toward one diamond over the other? Slightly larger, higher color, or one-step lower color, branded cut?

No, there is absolutely nothing non-refundable about a GOG deposit. It is a perfectly safe transaction. I have bought 2 diamonds from them. The second one I just bought Friday. I will receive it on Wednesday. In between those 2, I put a deposit on one, then changed my mind. I was refunded my $500 after a simple email to Jonathan telling him that I changed my mind. I have nothing against James Allen or Whiteflash. It is just that I have been really happy with GOG. My OPINION is to go with the GOG Tolkowsky diamond.

It sounds like to me you were leaning toward the James Allen diamond and setting. What is making you hesitate on that one?
 
I don''t know nearly as much about diamonds as the others who have posted but I would ask JA about the black mark on the diamond pic and then if it''s not visible to the naked eye I would get that. If it IS, I would go with GOG. Good luck!
 
Date: 6/14/2008 12:33:40 AM
Author: NeverEndingUpgrade
I know you were worried about ''eye-cleanness'' in the SI2''s. Email James Allen and ask if that .83 ct. H/SI2 is eye-clean, specifically is it free of black carbon spots, etc just for your own peace of mind.
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I need to reply to my own post because somewhere, someone got the idea that this diamond has a big black carbon spot in it. THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID! Please read my original post highlighted above. I was just giving the OP ideas of what to ask for because he did not know what to ask for regarding eye-cleanness. There is no big black spot in this diamond that I know of!
 
Weighing back in here -- I think if you have any reservations (and I think you do) about the GOG setting AND you love the JA setting, I would clear with JA that the stone is eye clean and lock and load with them and get it done. The first two settings that you showed are simply lovely and either would be spectacular.

BOTH JA and GOG are excellent vendors with wonderful reputations. Their upgrade policies are different so you''ll want to be sure you understand that with whichever vendor you go to.

Let us know what your final decision is!
 
Date: 6/15/2008 9:32:27 PM
Author: NeverEndingUpgrade

Date: 6/14/2008 12:33:40 AM
Author: NeverEndingUpgrade
I know you were worried about ''eye-cleanness'' in the SI2''s. Email James Allen and ask if that .83 ct. H/SI2 is eye-clean, specifically is it free of black carbon spots, etc just for your own peace of mind.
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I need to reply to my own post because somewhere, someone got the idea that this diamond has a big black carbon spot in it. THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID! Please read my original post highlighted above. I was just giving the OP ideas of what to ask for because he did not know what to ask for regarding eye-cleanness. There is no big black spot in this diamond that I know of!
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NeverEndingUpgrade - from the link he posted of the diamond from JA the picture from the JA website of the "actual diamond" shows a huge black mark in the middle of the diamond...I don''t know if that''s an error or really on the diamond so that''s why I told him to ask about it. Maybe I clicked on the wrong link in the wrong post but that''s what I saw. Don''t worry, I didn''t get that idea from you!
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WHEW, Anna, thank you for pointing that out! I was afraid that people would think I was bad-mouthing this diamond, which I was not trying to do! After a second look, I did see the black spot which I had not noticed before. I will be curious as to what JA says about the spot. I have heard that all SI2''s are not created equal. It is hard to see the inclusions on the GOG photo, but to me, it looks cleaner, even though it too is an SI2.
 
Yeah is saw this mark too...

worries me too. I will hear back from them what they think or have to say about it... interesting. So the black dot should show up as not eye-clean?

So we all agree that the GOG is the best one then?

I''m having a look on BlueNile for others now.. just to make sure there is nothing better out there.

I am sad that GOG is not open on Mondays
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Even though GOG is not open on Monday you might want to e-mail Jonathan anyway. I know that even on days I am off of work I am always checking e-mail to stay on top of work issues. It can''t hurt!
 
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