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sniper5431

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I am one of the unfortunate individuals who is tasked with having to find a Pear shape diamond. I have been doing some research in learning about diamonds this last month. I have to admit, its very interesting. My girlfriends diamond of choice is the Pear. I have learned through the last month, nice pears appear to be few and far between. I would like to make this purchase in the next week or so. She is nieve to the diamond world (even more so than I). Therfore, I am thinking closer to 1.0 ct is better in her eyes. What I am looking for is Quality and appearance. I have a budget of up to 4k for the diamond. My new found learnings tell me I am looking for an Ideal cut, .81-1.0 ct, D-H Color, no lower than VS2 clarity, no flourescents. The more diamonds I look at this week, the more confused I get. (maybe I am trying to learn to much too fast) Any sugestions out there on Vendors or particular Pears listed? I want to know for my self she has something special.

Thanks for any suggestions or comments!
PS I will keep all informed on my choice!
Richard
 
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With fancy shapes it is best to pick with your eyes, however numbers are very useful and can give you some guidance. See this chart as this will help you.

http://www.gemappraisers.com/oldcutgraderules.asp

You can also lower your clarity to include SI1 and SI2 as many of these can be eyeclean. Also pears often show the bow tie effect, if you find a good vendor to work with he can help you find a pear which can minimise it. In my opinion, pears can show a bit more colour in some lights, particulary at the tip, so I would make an H my cut off point. I have a GIA graded H colour pear which shows a wee hint of tint in the tip in some lights, however this is probably only noticeable to me!

Good old Gold and Engagement Rings Direct sell some lovely fancy shapes, also check out Whiteflash and Wink Jones and James Allen to see what they have. They often have in house diamonds which they can eyeball for you and advise accordingly. Also GOG has a most useful page on fancy shapes which I will link for you.

Here you go - Shape Tips

Check this out too - Shape Selector

Depending on the length to width ratio of your contenders, these can have a shorter and fatter appearance, or longer and thinner. The shape selector lets you plug in the dimensions so you can see how you diamond is likely to look shapewise.

Lastly, don't be in too much of a rush when purchasing. Pears can be more tricky than rounds as they are less predictable with the numbers etc, take your time and it will be well worth it. Also one of our PSers has had a look around pawn shops and has had some luck there with pears, she often sees this shape for sale, so unless your GF wouldn't want a used diamond, this might be an option, especially if the seller would let you get an independant appraiser on the diamond before sale to make sure it checks out. You could then have it reset and polished and have a whole new ring. This is only a suggestion and might not be appealing to you, but I thought it might be worth mentioning.
 
I echo what Lorelei said! And I will add, no need to stay away from fluorescence, unless it is strong to very strong, where there is the slightes possiblity it will affect how the stone looks (must be checked on a stone by stone basis). Otherwise, it could help an H face up a bit whiter/brighter.

Also, from what little I've gathered on pears, the bowtie seems less prominent in shallower stones.
 
Date: 5/7/2007 3:32:04 PM
Author: Ellen
I echo what Lorelei said! And I will add, no need to stay away from fluorescence, unless it is strong to very strong, where there is the slightes possiblity it will affect how the stone looks (must be checked on a stone by stone basis). Otherwise, it could help an H face up a bit whiter/brighter.

Also, from what little I''ve gathered on pears, the bowtie seems less prominant in shallower stones.
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Dits, don''t avoid fluorescence unless you particulary dislike it and also I have heard too that bow ties are less visible on shallower stones.
 
Thanks tons for the quick repsonse on the posts. I will keep the flurescent suggestions in mind.
 
Since you are trying to get close to 1.0 carats, I would drop down to SI1 or SI2. Often these stones are eye clean and can save you a ton of money! Be sure to ask the vendor if the stone is eye clean and what their definition of "eye-clean" is.

However, pears show more color than rounds, so I wouldn''t drop lower than an H in color.
 
Ditto to Lorelei''s post - it''s everything I would have said.
In the D to H range I prefer somewhere around an F/G. Definitely don''t avoid fluor - I''d love it if my stone had some. VS2 is perfectly fine. I''d even go down to SI1 or a really good SI2 (both would have to be eye clean at close range though) to keep the color up. Pears can show some color in the tips so I''d stick to G or above.

Gem Appraisers has a chart for pear cut grades and you can use that to look for stones with those parameters. In the end though, pears are funny creatures and there are lots of stones with a variety of measurements that still look amazing. Not as easy to go by the numbers as it would be with a round. Good luck!
 
I am starting to learn that about Pears. Will be tough trusting someones word from 4,000 miles away that its eye clean or bowtie minimum. I am also learning ideal cut is not always the way to go a sure fire way to get a good stone. Thanks for everyones suggestions.

Richard
 
i would suggest learning about pears as much as you can. they're definitely bought by the "eyeball" method.
(is it Pretty or Not) I would not bother "by the numbers" on this.

If it were me, I would lurk for a while , look at the "show me your pears" thread, gain an "eye" for a good lookng pear. Then i would start estate and pawn shopping. newspaper ads.

Pears are out of style right now, and can be found used all over the place. most are from the 50s, 60s, and 70s. they will be in ugly settings and dirty, but can be reset.

Buy a 10x and 30x loupe and some acid bathroom cleaner called "scrub free"

I found the pear in my avatar for $ 2000 it's 1.25 carat, slightly spready. if you are in texas would be glad to search for you. what fun! 4K budget, eh?
 
Wow, that Pear looks wonderful. What a find! I am in Californiia. Was born in Texas. Miss the Texas home prices. I will take your advice and do some looking at a few of the pawn shops in the area.


Thanks Richard!
 
Ok here are my selections so far. what does everyone think?
Any favorites on stats alone?

Shape: Depth Table Girdle Polish Measurements Price
0.82 Ideal D VS2 59.6 57 thin to very thick Good 8.75*5.25*3.13 3430 GIA

0.90 Ideal H VVS1 61.7 59 slightly thick to very thick Excellent 8.63*5.32*3.28 3210 GIA

0.91 Ideal G VVS2 64 59 thin to thick Very Good 8.23*5.42*3.47 3800 GIA

0.97 G VS2 61 63 N-VTK N Very Good 7.77x5.93x3.62 $3876 GIA


Richard




 
what do they mean by "ideal" not a word usually associated with pears.

#4 seems to be off. 0.94 carats but faces up smaller than the others.

edited to add: here is what cflutist posted about her pear a long time ago:
Table is 57% (1A = 55 - 60)

Depth is 61.1% (1A = 59 - 63)


L:W = 1.64 (trade preference is 1.50 - 1.75).


As you can see, my numbers are right smack in the middle of the desirable ranges.


The numbers are somewhat important but alone cannot tell you about its
"shape appeal" or girdle outline as it is called during diamond grading.

Things to look for under shape appeal are:


UW - uneven wings (not matched on both sides)
US - uneven shoulders (not matched on both sides)
FW - flat wings (should form low arcs - but not so low as to look straight or flat)
HS - high or square shoulders (should have a gently but distinctly rounded arch)
BW - bulged Wings (tends to make stones look squat or fat)
UP - undefined point (a blunt instead of sharp point)

 
Can you get regular lighting and idealscope images?
 
The 0.91 looks like a nice stone though in the picture the stone is tilted. It would be nice to see a non-tilted picture. The 1.5 l to w ratio is nice. The VVS2 is overkill though. I would stay away from the H just because the VVS1 is totally overkill and I would rather have a stone closer to colorless than have one with that clarity.
 
I pulled the trigger on this stone. They gave me great price on it too, I believe. I cannot wait to see it for myself. I will say that I have been very pleased with all 4 online Vendors I have used from this site. Thanks to all for your advice and suggestions. Has helped my buying experience immenslely. I just hope the woman I am giving this can some day understand how great this stone is!

Richard

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131&item=936515

BTW the Vendors I used were WF,GOG,JA, and Winks
 
Please post some pics when you get it - we love to see real photos, especially of fancy cuts that we don''t get around here all the time!!!
 
Date: 5/11/2007 4:51:46 PM
Author: sniper5431
I pulled the trigger on this stone. They gave me great price on it too, I believe. I cannot wait to see it for myself. I will say that I have been very pleased with all 4 online Vendors I have used from this site. Thanks to all for your advice and suggestions. Has helped my buying experience immenslely. I just hope the woman I am giving this can some day understand how great this stone is!

Richard

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131&item=936515

BTW the Vendors I used were WF,GOG,JA, and Winks
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I don''t know a lot about pears, but the image of this one is very pretty! Congrats on your purchase! Do you know how you are planning to set it?
 
And do tell - what are your plans for a setting?
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I promise to post pics as well!
 
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