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StorminNorman72

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Doesn't look bad...bowtie seems minimum in the video and appears to have some decent scintillation in the center under the table.
The tips appear a bit dark, which may or may not be a detractor on an individual basis.
It's grown with the HPHT method, which I regard as a bonus.
Don't necessarily shy away from E-F colors up to VS2 (even a lot of SI1), as this can expand your list of possibilities and offer a bit more bang for the buck. Just be aware of undisclosed blue nuance (Type IIb diamond which will appear an unnatural light blue in certain lighting conditions), if that is something you wish to avoid.
 
No bowtie, the dark tips are a good sign as they will be brighter than non dark tips.
Over all not a bad stone and a great spread and nice shape.
 
Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
No bowtie, the dark tips are a good sign as they will be brighter than non dark tips.
Over all not a bad stone and a great spread and nice shape.
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Thank you for taking the time to reply Garry. So many on line sites say to avoid dark heads/tips. I am intrigued. How does it work that something that is "dark" can be "bright"?
 
StorminNorman72 said:
Thank you for taking the time to reply Garry. So many on line sites say to avoid dark heads/tips. I am intrigued. How does it work that something that is "dark" can be "bright"?
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To be brightest light needs to be returned from directly above. The dark is the camera lens - as above as it gets. But unlike a persistent bow tie - this flicks on and off quickly.
a chess board is brighter than white paper when it is moving.
 
I disagree- not on specifics of a given stone being offered ( tradespeople aren't supposed to comment on specific stones) but rather in general.

Unlike Garry, I would never be able to properly assess the complexity of a well cut oval based on video.... and the entire concept of "bow tie" hangs a noose on understanding how an oval can look.....there's never going to be "equal" light performance on the tips compared to the center of an Oval Brilliant.
In the best cut Oval Briliant stones- although the center is not static dark, there will be moments where a larger facet that was bright, goes dark for an instant.
As opposed to a negative, I see this as part of the allure of the cut.
 
Rockdiamond said:
the center of an Oval Brilliant.
In the best cut Oval Briliant stones- although the center is not static dark, there will be moments where a larger facet that was bright, goes dark for an instant.
As opposed to a negative, I see this as part of the allure of the cut.
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Exactly, the exact same effect as the star facets in a H&A's diamond flashing dark to bright.
It's like fast cars that you're into David - all about speed
 
Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
Exactly, the exact same effect as the star facets in a H&A's diamond flashing dark to bright.
It's like fast cars that you're into David - all about speed
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I am enjoying the banter....I was going to keep the order..but..I am looking at it again following comments from Rockdiamond

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With regards the tips/ends on my diamond, they appear to fade in grey to black and out to grey again slowly rather than with speed, unlike the facets in the bow-tie region, which do flash quickly. Hence my concern I will see only constant dark tips when face up rather than flashes of darkness, mixed with light, as you say Garry H (Cut Nut). (Please correct me if I am wrong, I do not have an expertise!)

Its just Rockdiamond says the tips will never perform as per the centre.

Rockdiamond said:
there's never going to be "equal" light performance on the tips compared to the center of an Oval Brilliant.
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I would love them to flash as you describe Garry H (Cut Nut) so perhaps the answer is to wait and view the stone in person and I can decide who is right! BUT..the time I have to change is now or never due to the committed proposal date! So I am a little nervous on what to do! Stick or twist?

ps That said, as the tips are a reflection of the camera/my head - will it even show from normal viewing distance? ....am I simply over thinking this when the diamond is strong in other areas?
 
I'd like to add: Once someone is concentrating on this aspect...even the best cut Oval Brilliant in the world is likely to disappoint......ovals are not for everyone.....
 
StorminNorman72 said:
With regards the tips/ends on my diamond, they appear to fade in grey to black and out to grey again slowly rather than with speed, unlike the facets in the bow-tie region, which do flash quickly.
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Wrong - it is because of the orientation. In a ring set north south one eye may see darkness but the other will see bright in the same spot.
The result is exceptional extra brilliance.
It is complicated but comes about as a result of binocular rivalry
(you should reserve that diamond)
 
Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
Wrong - it is because of the orientation. In a ring set north south one eye may see darkness but the other will see bright in the same spot.
The result is exceptional extra brilliance.
It is complicated but comes about as a result of binocular rivalry
(you should reserve that diamond)
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Wow, that’s some read! Both fascinating and informative - I can see why people are so intrigued by these little rock’s…

thank you Garry for your advice. I have reserved the stone!
 
StorminNorman72 said:
Wow, that’s some read! Both fascinating and informative - I can see why people are so intrigued by these little rock’s…

thank you Garry for your advice. I have reserved the stone!
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You could not have read it all - it requires waking up after being put to sleep several times ;-)
Sadly as we wrote it we realised that it may take a decade or more for it to sink in to people in the diamond industry.
I do believe however that the rise of LGD's will speed up the adoption as chasing yeild is totally different and once the need to have stones graded by stoggy labs - we may get some genuine creativity in our industry.
 
Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
You could not have read it all - it requires waking up after being put to sleep several times ;-)
Sadly as we wrote it we realised that it may take a decade or more for it to sink in to people in the diamond industry.
I do believe however that the rise of LGD's will speed up the adoption as chasing yeild is totally different and once the need to have stones graded by stoggy labs - we may get some genuine creativity in our industry.
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See post with video below (or it maybe above!)
 
Absolutely beautiful - congratulations!
 
Congratulations.
I love ovals and love people getting good ones!!
 
Congrats @StorminNorman72 !!
Looks amazing.....but the lovely hand is hard to look at because I have a fear of heights:)
 
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