Oval 2.01 VVS1 I Diamond -- Indent? Help!

[tarank]

Hi,
I wanted to get some insight on a oval diamond we are looking at for an engagement ring.

Below is the information from the GIA cert. Let me know if I can provide anything further.

It notes "indented natural" after cloud and feather in inclusions -- what does this mean and how does it affect the value/quality/durability of the diamond?


Oval Brilliant
2.01 Carat
I Color
VVS1 Clarity

Measurements: 9.20 x 7.11 x 4.69mm
Proportions: Depth 65.9% - Table 58%

Excellent Polish & Symmetry
Fluorescence None

Thanks!!

 

[miraj]

The depth is too much. Don't go more than 62% depth.

The girdle is too thick. Avoid extremes (no "very thick" or "very thin").

Because it is deep with a thick girdle, it will look smaller from above compared to better-cut diamonds. But you are paying for the weight (which is hidden below) so you really aren't getting your money's worth. It also is unlikely to provide good light return.

 

[tarank]

Oh wow thank you for that insight, wasn't even something we had thought of yet. We are still waiting to hear from the jeweler so not sure if he will mention this to us but at least now we are aware.

We will remember to also consider depth/table now too and girdle information. --medium would be best?

We will keep looking then I guess -- however would you have any information on "natural indent" incase we come across this again?

Thanks again!

 

[tarank]

Would the depth play a role in the bowtie? I've heard more depth is closer to minimizing the bowtie on Ovals?

Also its a 8main - so would the light lost from the depth perhaps be offset by the 8 main?

Also, with a smaller ratio (1.29) does that help with the bowtie/light?

The girdle thickness does concern me though so its off putting but if I can gather information to better help me search going forward I'd appreciate it!

Thanks!

 

[tyty333]

This is an oval so the depth of 62% does not apply. We do try to stay away from very thick girdles but again, this is an oval so it applies
but not as much as a round.

The Indent in a VVS1 should not be an issue. Its not even the grade making inclusion (3rd inclusion in your list).

A smaller length/width ratio should help to minimize the bow-tie. Also, an 8 main offset from center has a better
chance of a minimal bow-tie effect. However, with all that being said, there is so much variety that comes into play with
an oval that nothing I say is definitive. We would need up close pictures, aset images and/or video to give feedback.

Edit...is the indented natural on the pavilion? I cant really see the inclusion on the map very well.

 

[tarank]

This is an oval so the depth of 62% does not apply. We do try to stay away from very thick girdles but again, this is an oval so it applies
but not as much as a round.

The Indent in a VVS1 should not be an issue. Its not even the grade making inclusion (3rd inclusion in your list).

A smaller length/width ratio should help to minimize the bow-tie. Also, an 8 main offset from center has a better
chance of a minimal bow-tie effect. However, with all that being said, there is so much variety that comes into play with
an oval that nothing I say is definitive. We would need up close pictures, aset images and/or video to give feedback.

Edit...is the indented natural on the pavilion? I cant really see the inclusion on the map very well.

Hi!
Thanks for the affirmation. the indents are on the girdle. Minimal but along the edge only from what I know, nothing on pavilion.

I am awaiting images/video but was advised no bow-tie and face up is I color. I can post once received.

Does the 9.2mm seem too small for 2ct? Will it make the diamond look smaller as the weight is below rather then on the surface?

Would you have any advice on the color a Face up I color will look in a yellow gold setting? Too yellow?

 

[Clio_C]

Every "I" is not equal, so you'll have to see for yourself. Personally, I looked at some "I" color ovals in the 2 carat range when considering upgrade stones, and I did not find those to be yellow in the least. Ovals show color more than some cuts, and I could see a difference between an "I" and "J" color (talking about GIA certed stones here). If I had gone with an oval, an I color would have been my preferred color to get the best value for what I wanted.

Have you read the tutorials here about Oval Cut diamonds? This can give you measurement ranges so you can be a bit more prepared and eliminate some stones out of the gate. Really helpful resource for fancy cuts. Ovals need to be seen in person before buying IMO (unless you have a jeweler you really trust evaluating the stone for you). A well-cut oval (especially at the 2+ carat mark) is a masterpiece. A poorly cut oval (which is the majority of ovals) is a waste of a diamond!

Tutorial is here: https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/oval-cut-diamond

 

[John P]

It notes "indented natural" after cloud and feather in inclusions -- what does this mean and how does it affect the value/quality/durability of the diamond?

A "natural" is a portion of the original surface, or skin, of the rough diamond which was left on the finished diamond. An "indented natural" is part of the original surface which dips below the finished diamond's polished surface. The plot shows three areas where this occurs on the diamond. In terms of value/quality it contributes to the clarity grade. Considering the strictness of VVS1 and the fact that they're listed third, these are extremely benign inclusions. No effect on durability.

For anyone wondering why the planner would leave those indented areas on the diamond, instead of reducing its diameter slightly to polish over them, carat weight is the answer. Reducing diameter to eliminate the naturals might have taken the diamond under 2.00 carats.