Opinions on Tiffany Rings

[Amski999]

Hi All,

Hello! I have been lurking on the site for a while and congrats on the huge amount of info on here. It has been very helpful. I am about to propose to my girlfriend and have been looking at rings. I have gone through the whole Tiffany/Online/Hatton Garden debate, I am from London and I have chosen to buy a Tiffany ring despite the huge markup on price. I think it would mean so much to my girlfriend.

I have narrowed this down to some rings, want to get your opinions on either of these:

1. 1.16 G VS2 6.68-6.71 x 4.17, Depth 62.3%, Table 57%, Crown Angle 35.2%, Pav Angle 40.9%, No fluroscence, No Cutlet, Girdle Med to Slightly Thick, Tiffany Cert: Excellent in cut, symmetry & polish. Price £9,700

2. 0.95 E 0.95 SL1 6.3-6.33 x 3.90, Depth 61.8, Table 56%, Crown Angle 35%, Pav Angle 35%, No fluroscence, No Cutlet, Girdle Med to Slightly Thick, Tiffany Cert: Excellent in cut, symmetry & very good polish. Price £7,975

3. 1.04 F VS2, £9,250 Excellent in cut, symmetry and polish on the Tiffany cert. I do not have the rest of the stats for this one.

I know the decision is very individual but may I seek opinions on price and stats from others on here? I have used the cut advisor on here and oddly it came up with 2.6 value for the triple excellent ring 1.16 Carrot and 1.2 value for the smaller 0.95 Ct ring. There is quite a big difference in Pav Angle in the two, can this account for this?

Thanks for the help!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/6/2010 10:20:21 AM
Author:Amski999
Hi All,

Hello! I have been lurking on the site for a while and congrats on the huge amount of info on here. It has been very helpful. I am about to propose to my girlfriend and have been looking at rings. I have gone through the whole Tiffany/Online/Hatton Garden debate, I am from London and I have chosen to buy a Tiffany ring despite the huge markup on price. I think it would mean so much to my girlfriend.

I have narrowed this down to some rings, want to get your opinions on either of these:

1. 1.16 G VS2 6.68-6.71 x 4.17, Depth 62.3%, Table 57%, Crown Angle 35.2%, Pav Angle 40.9%, No fluroscence, No Cutlet, Girdle Med to Slightly Thick, Tiffany Cert: Excellent in cut, symmetry & polish. Price £9,700

2. 0.95 E 0.95 SL1 6.3-6.33 x 3.90, Depth 61.8, Table 56%, Crown Angle 35%, Pav Angle 35%, No fluroscence, No Cutlet, Girdle Med to Slightly Thick, Tiffany Cert: Excellent in cut, symmetry & very good polish. Price £7,975

3. 1.04 F VS2, £9,250 Excellent in cut, symmetry and polish on the Tiffany cert. I do not have the rest of the stats for this one.

I know the decision is very individual but may I seek opinions on price and stats from others on here? I have used the cut advisor on here and oddly it came up with 2.6 value for the triple excellent ring 1.16 Carrot and 1.2 value for the smaller 0.95 Ct ring. There is quite a big difference in Pav Angle in the two, can this account for this?

Thanks for the help!

Hi Amski and welcome!

Can you just check the figure highlighted above please, that can't be the pavilion angle or the percent at 35%, it might be the pavilion depth percent if you look.

Pricing, there will be a substantial premium for the Tiffany name, you could certainly get a larger stone which is just as beautiful for the money but it depends on your priorities and values. If your GF would prefer a Tiffany ring and you are willing to make that happen for her and don't mind paying the extra then thats fine!

 

[stone-cold11]

ditto, something is not right with the pavilion measurement.

and weight of the stone is carat not carrot.

 

[Amski999]

Thanks for the replies, sorry for the ignorance with the wording!

Your right it is pav angle 40.7% not 35%.

Understand the premium in price; happy to accept this, any opinions on the rings?

Thanks

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/6/2010 10:41:24 AM
Author: Amski999
Thanks for the replies, sorry for the ignorance with the wording!

Your right it is pav angle 40.7% not 35%.

Understand the premium in price; happy to accept this, any opinions on the rings?

Thanks

No need to apologize, we were all new to this once!

The pavilion angle is fine and potentially a good fit for the crown angle, I think out of these from the info we have I would be most interested in that one.

 

[stone-cold11]

yap, 0.95c is the most promising from the numbers so far.

 

[Amski999]

Thanks for the speedy replies.

Can you please shed some light into why you think the .95c is better, to the naked untrained eye they both look the same to me!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/6/2010 10:53:00 AM
Author: Amski999
Thanks for the speedy replies.

Can you please shed some light into why you think the .95c is better, to the naked untrained eye they both look the same to me!

Without images to properly judge, the angle combo of this diamond is ' safer' than the other. The other has steeper angles which could mean light leakage but without images such as Idealscope which can detect this, I would prefer the .95.

 

[Amski999]

By ''safer'', you mean likely to show better reflection on the Idealscope tool?

Thanks

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/6/2010 10:56:49 AM
Author: Amski999
By 'safer', you mean likely to show better reflection on the Idealscope tool?

Thanks

In a way yes, there could be less chance of light leakage with that angle combo but this is only speculating because depending on various cutting aspects of the other diamond it is possible it won't show leakage either. Its just that the preferred stone is less likely to show leakage, but there are no guarantees only having the basic proportions to work with.

 

[Amski999]

Great, thanks, what other proportions are needed to help make this assessment, I have the crown height and pavillion depth, will this help?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/6/2010 11:20:43 AM
Author: Amski999
Great, thanks, what other proportions are needed to help make this assessment, I have the crown height and pavillion depth, will this help?

Everything is there that we need for the most part, I don't know if Tiffany provide the star and lower girdle facet percentages for their diamonds but you could look on the report to see if they are there. If not don't worry, they aren't absolutely essential but good to have especially for the other diamond. I think out of the two, look at both closely to see which you prefer. I don't know if Tiffany would allow you to take the diamonds outside to view them but as I would imagine not, here is something you can try. Hold both diamonds under a desk where the light is dim. Watch to see if the other stone in particular visibly ' shrinks' in the dimmer light, this will give you a better idea. Obviously even well cut stones will lose a bit of steam when compared in this manner but you don't want the stone to go dead.

I don't know if you have read up on Idealscope but in case you haven't, hear is a basic overview from the Pricescope Tutorial here.

 

[Siamese Kitty]

Date: 3/6/2010 11:23:09 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 3/6/2010 11:20:43 AM
Author: Amski999
Great, thanks, what other proportions are needed to help make this assessment, I have the crown height and pavillion depth, will this help?

Everything is there that we need for the most part, I don''t know if Tiffany provide the star and lower girdle facet percentages for their diamonds but you could look on the report to see if they are there. If not don''t worry, they aren''t absolutely essential but good to have especially for the other diamond. I think out of the two, look at both closely to see which you prefer. I don''t know if Tiffany would allow you to take the diamonds outside to view them but as I would imagine not, here is something you can try. Hold both diamonds under a desk where the light is dim. Watch to see if the other stone in particular visibly '' shrinks'' in the dimmer light, this will give you a better idea. Obviously even well cut stones will lose a bit of steam when compared in this manner but you don''t want the stone to go dead.

I don''t know if you have read up on Idealscope but in case you haven''t, hear is a basic overview from the Pricescope Tutorial here.

They can provide this info if you ask them and the stones I was looking at were much smaller. I decided not to buy there, but that was more because of two different quality control issues with settings (I had two different styles brought in, too). Just make sure you look them over really well. They have beautiful rings, though, and I think many women would feel very lucky to own one. (Maybe even me one day.

) I also found their customer service to be pretty top notch and patient, as I am sure I drove them crazy!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Not only is the .95 a nicer set of numbrs, but it is also 2k less expensive for only .3mm smaller. I personally like that

But since you have seen both diamonds with your eyes, you can also feel free to pick the one that appeals to you more. Check them out in different lighting environments, not only the Tiffany store lighting (by a window, in shadow under a table). Although some diamonds are better than others at Tiffany, *generally* they are selling good looking diamonds. By choosing Tiffany, you are already picking based on sentiment not logic

, so why not also let your heart and preferences guide your choise of rock to some extent too?

 

[Amski999]

This forum is great, thank you so much for the opinions.

I have taken the comments on board, I am going to have a look again on Wed and also get the stats of the 3rd ring. I may post those too for an opinion and then hopefully make my purchase this week. Will keep you updated!

Thanks again.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/6/2010 3:55:14 PM
Author: Siamese Kitty

Date: 3/6/2010 11:23:09 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 3/6/2010 11:20:43 AM
Author: Amski999
Great, thanks, what other proportions are needed to help make this assessment, I have the crown height and pavillion depth, will this help?

Everything is there that we need for the most part, I don''t know if Tiffany provide the star and lower girdle facet percentages for their diamonds but you could look on the report to see if they are there. If not don''t worry, they aren''t absolutely essential but good to have especially for the other diamond. I think out of the two, look at both closely to see which you prefer. I don''t know if Tiffany would allow you to take the diamonds outside to view them but as I would imagine not, here is something you can try. Hold both diamonds under a desk where the light is dim. Watch to see if the other stone in particular visibly '' shrinks'' in the dimmer light, this will give you a better idea. Obviously even well cut stones will lose a bit of steam when compared in this manner but you don''t want the stone to go dead.

I don''t know if you have read up on Idealscope but in case you haven''t, hear is a basic overview from the Pricescope Tutorial here.

They can provide this info if you ask them and the stones I was looking at were much smaller. I decided not to buy there, but that was more because of two different quality control issues with settings (I had two different styles brought in, too). Just make sure you look them over really well. They have beautiful rings, though, and I think many women would feel very lucky to own one. (Maybe even me one day.

) I also found their customer service to be pretty top notch and patient, as I am sure I drove them crazy!

Good info, thanks Kitty!

 

[jan can]

Something to note in the comparison of prices is that the OP is from Britian. He is speaking in pounds not dollars. A British pound is approximately worth 1.5x as much the US$ the last time I was checking.

OP - have you ever considered purchasing from the US? You might find a much larger diamond for less money even with the taxes and shipping.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/7/2010 3:00:00 PM
Author: jan can
Something to note in the comparison of prices is that the OP is from Britian. He is speaking in pounds not dollars. A British pound is approximately worth 1.5x as much the US$ the last time I was checking.

Thanks Jan, yes we are aware of that.

And you are correct, the exchange rate is around 1 UK pound = $1.50 USD at this time.

Amski, let us know how you get on and if you have any other contenders you would like to run by us, go ahead and post all the details as you did previously.

 

[Amski999]

Thought about going to the US, but if she does not like it/ring needs resizing, it will be difficult to return. I am used to paying over the odds here. It''s sad but a way of life in the UK! I will definitely post the other stats when I get them later in the week!

Thanks

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/7/2010 3:51:02 PM
Author: Amski999
Thought about going to the US, but if she does not like it/ring needs resizing, it will be difficult to return. I am used to paying over the odds here. It''s sad but a way of life in the UK! I will definitely post the other stats when I get them later in the week!

Thanks

Actually returns are normally straightforward but I would say if your GF values the Tiffany name and you are fine with it, then stick to your original plan.

 

[kelpie]

They both seem deeper than I prefer.

 

[Amski999]

Can you elaborate on that? To deep a cut?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/8/2010 11:02:15 AM
Author: Amski999
Can you elaborate on that? To deep a cut?

Hi Amski

Its nothing to worry about, I don't know what Kelpie's personal preferences are for depth, but I can assure you that they are actually not too deep, the depths of 62.3% and 61.8% are absolutely fine.

 

[Amski999]

Hi guys,

The third ring has been sold

1. 1.16 G VS2 6.68-6.71 x 4.17, Depth 62.3%, Table 57%, Crown Angle 35.2%, Pav Angle 40.9%, No fluroscence, No Cutlet, Girdle Med to Slightly Thick, Tiffany Cert: Excellent in cut, symmetry & polish. Price £9,700
2. 0.95 E 0.95 SL1 6.3-6.33 x 3.90, Depth 61.8, Table 56%, Crown Angle 35%, Pav Angle 40.7%, No fluroscence, No Cutlet, Girdle Med to Slightly Thick, Tiffany Cert: Excellent in cut, symmetry & very good polish. Price £7,975

I have managed to get the other stats from Tiffany:

0.95ct
The Star Length Percentage is 55%
Lower Half Length Percentage is 80%
Pavilion Depth Percentage is 43.1%

1.16ct
The Star Length Percentage is 55%
Lower Half Length Percentage is 80%
Pavilion Depth Percentage is 43.2%

Can anyone please help with the better angles, does the 1.16ct weigh up any better with these?

Tiffany UK is putting up prices by aprox 10% from tomorrow so need to make my decision quick!

Thank you so much!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/9/2010 11:07:07 AM
Author: Amski999



Hi guys,

The third ring has been sold

1. 1.16 G VS2 6.68-6.71 x 4.17, Depth 62.3%, Table 57%, Crown Angle 35.2%, Pav Angle 40.9%, No fluroscence, No Cutlet, Girdle Med to Slightly Thick, Tiffany Cert: Excellent in cut, symmetry & polish. Price £9,700



2. 0.95 E 0.95 SL1 6.3-6.33 x 3.90, Depth 61.8, Table 56%, Crown Angle 35%, Pav Angle 40.7%, No fluroscence, No Cutlet, Girdle Med to Slightly Thick, Tiffany Cert: Excellent in cut, symmetry & very good polish. Price £7,975

I have managed to get the other stats from Tiffany:

0.95ct
The Star Length Percentage is 55%
Lower Half Length Percentage is 80%
Pavilion Depth Percentage is 43.1%

1.16ct
The Star Length Percentage is 55%
Lower Half Length Percentage is 80%
Pavilion Depth Percentage is 43.2%

Can anyone please help with the better angles, does the 1.16ct weigh up any better with these?

Tiffany UK is putting up prices by aprox 10% from tomorrow so need to make my decision quick!

Thank you so much!

The 1.16 might benefit from having slightly longer lower girdle facets so this is a good thing that it has 80% LGF. Personally I prefer the other from the numbers but as you can see them go with the one you like best, really what we can tell you is limited working on the basic info, we can't tell you which one to go with as that is beyond the scope of what we can do here. But hopefully we can give you some tools to work with to help make your decision easier.

 

[Amski999]

Thanks Lorelei,

I have not seen the 1.16ct as yet. It is such a big decision and I want to make an informed one! All the help has been very useful so far. Glad the 1.16ct lower numbers are ok.

Any other opinions appreciated!

 

[Ice Is Nice]

Hi Amski

Congratulations on your impending engagement!

So lovely of you to choose Tiffany too due to the sentimental value to your girlfriend.

Just my honest opinion - I would definitely go for the 1.16 ct. To lots of girls there is really something magical about the "more than one carat" aspect. Given that she is a Tiffany lover it would be a safe bet that she would belong to this school of thought. To be over one carat AND from Tiffany, she will be over the moon. The spread is bigger too.

Regarding the specs, you are pretty safe to be getting a beautiful stone from Tiffany, so I would go with the biggest one!

Just my 2 cents.

Congratulations again.

 

[Amski999]

Thanks for the opinion ICE. Its tempting to go for the bigger stone, but as you know bigger not always better especially if the cut is better on the smaller one. Its a tricky one...

 

[Amski999]

Just read interesting comment from MC on the HCA gradings, they suggest not to get anything above 2. The 1.16 ct comes in at 2.6 and the 0.95ct at 1.2 on the HCA.

Does this make a noticeable difference to the diamond?

Thanks

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/9/2010 12:58:49 PM
Author: Amski999
Just read interesting comment from MC on the HCA gradings, they suggest not to get anything above 2. The 1.16 ct comes in at 2.6 and the 0.95ct at 1.2 on the HCA.

Does this make a noticeable difference to the diamond?

Thanks

The HCA is used for rejection, not selection. The 1.16 is scoring thusly because of the angle combo, it is possible it might show leakage. As I said previously there is no way to tell without images whether the diamond does in fact show leakage and if so, how much. The .95 is a safer bet as far as can be told but thats all we can go by and really its a guessing game with the info we have.

Look at both closely and see if you can view them in less bright store lighting, then go with the one you like best.