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It''s huge! But I see some very visible inclusions. What is the seller''s return policy so you could actually see it and return it if you didn''t like it?
 
In a word?? Yuck...
 
Date: 12/11/2007 8:55:37 PM
Author: Kaleigh
In a word?? Yuck...
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ditto!!
 
that thing looks awful. I would never buy a diamond on ebay.
 
The expected difference in price between I-1/L and I-2/M is quite a bit. It’s close to a factor of 2 with most stores. Based purely on the photograph that looks like a pretty optimistic grading from a lab I’ve never heard of.

If you buy it, I recommend you get it graded by someone who is working for you, not for the seller and make sure to set your appointment before it even arrives. You’ve only got 7 days to return it if you decide against.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
My first thought was "YIKES-that''s a GIANT inclusion! And they want how much for it?!" I''m not trying to be harsh, but that is a very unattractive diamond, in my opinion. If you are seriously considering buying this, please don''t do it. It''s very noticeably included and I''m not very fond of the color. It''s not yellow enough to be fancy and from the pictures it looks too yellow to be a nice warm, "antique" white. For $16,000+ you can do much much better.
 
I''m so sorry to say this, but that is not a pretty diamond. You FOR SURE can find a gorgeous stone for $16K, but probably not on eBay.
 
"We retain the right to refuse any refund if we feel the return policy is being abused."

I just spotted this little zinger in the refund policy. This should be a total deal killer. You should never agree to this condition. How they feel about it should have nothing to do with it.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
EE Don''t buy it, really. It''s visibly yellow and heavily included, and for a cut such as Emerald, which hides no flaws, that''s really pretty bad. It also doesn''t apear to be cut very well either - there''s this weird rectangle in the center and then a really big facet that makes it look like a hole. Basically, it''s not worth much. If I had the means (e.g. it was given to me for free) I would have it recut into a smaller RB. And this is coming from a HUGE Emerald Cut fan.
 
Date: 12/11/2007 9:43:27 PM
Author: denverappraiser
''We retain the right to refuse any refund if we feel the return policy is being abused.''

I just spotted this little zinger in the refund policy. This should be a total deal killer. You should never agree to this condition. How they feel about it should have nothing to do with it.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
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Amen to that!!!
 
It actually looks greenish yellow to me and just not attractive at all!
 
Date: 12/11/2007 8:48:11 PM
Author:Florida Phil
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Florida Phil --
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No good
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For comparison sake, I found a 5.26 carat, GIA certified E color, VS2 clarity Emerald Cut diamond via Whiteflash.com, a reputable online vendor and the price tag on this sucker is $205,795.00.

The one you are asking about is 6.91 carats, IGCA certified ?? - L color, I1 clarity Emerald Cut and $16,745.00
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Given that you have selected Emerald cut, it is quite easy to see color and clarity on this type of cut with less facets than say a round brilliant cut, therefore, you will likely want to stick closer to the D, E, F "colorless" range for an icy white appearance or G, H, I "near colorless" range for a more warm appearance with this type of stone.

In addition, clarity is of the utmost importance in this cut since there are less facets for inclusions to "hide" behind .. You will likely want to be somewhere around the VS range clarity wise, meaning that the stone you select will have very slight inclusions, as opposed to the I range, which means that the stone has several or significant inclusions, as is evidenced by the picture provided via your link. That inclusion is so severe looking that it might even threaten the structure or durability of that stone.

Have you found any other stones that you might be interested in?
 
Run like the wind away from this diamond. It''s greenish, has visible inclusions and what almost 7 ct diamond would be selling for that price
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Date: 12/11/2007 9:11:51 PM
Author: denverappraiser
You’ve only got 7 days to return it if you decide against.
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Yep - 7 days to get it back to Israel. That''ll cost.

Another ebay item screaming ''run!''.
 
A visit to IGCA's web site will reveal that their certs are called 'appraisal reports' and have a value written on them.

I'd love to know what the appraised value was for this item. Usually ebayers love to quote it but this one chose to omit the report altogether. Maybe it was less than they're asking?

Quiz: does anyone know of a grading lab that isn't known by a 3 or 4 letter acronym? Like 'Harrys' or something?
 
NO.

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Wow. That is a very large and very included and very strange colored diamond. No way.
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It is so terrible I would not even take it for free. Well, I would but I would recut it into an OMC but that''s another story.
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The facet pattern is horrible, the inclusion is screaming right in your face, no information on the cut, the colour is very yellow, yet not yellow enough to be graded a fancy yellow diamond and worst of all, they have the right NOT to refund your money!!! What kind of vendor is that? Not a vendor I would choose to do business with.
 
Thank you everyone, I thought it was to good to be true. I actually had a reply email from him this morning asking me to make an offer around $15000.


Think we''ll pass on this one.
 
Date: 12/12/2007 9:06:25 AM
Author: Florida Phil
Thank you everyone, I thought it was to good to be true. I actually had a reply email from him this morning asking me to make an offer around $15000.


Think we''ll pass on this one.
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Great Idea!!!!Pass, pass, and then pass again.

When I first looked at, the phrase "solidified phlegm" came to mind. Sorry, tmi.
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Date: 12/12/2007 11:42:18 AM
Author: isaku5

Date: 12/12/2007 9:06:25 AM
Author: Florida Phil
Thank you everyone, I thought it was to good to be true. I actually had a reply email from him this morning asking me to make an offer around $15000.


Think we''ll pass on this one.
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Great Idea!!!!Pass, pass, and then pass again.

When I first looked at, the phrase ''solidified phlegm'' came to mind. Sorry, tmi.
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Oh My Goodness, Isaku, you cracked me up with this one!

I''m so very glad you are going to pass on this Florida Phil!
 
YUCK.

Just say no.
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Date: 12/11/2007 9:01:09 PM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 12/11/2007 8:55:37 PM
Author: Kaleigh
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ditto!!
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Thritto and quadritto!
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You''re going to pay a lot more for a multi-carat emerald cut, and in this cut, color and clarity are huge issues.

Here is a 2.10 carat, G VS2, lovely diamond for $20,000.

A 2.31 H VVS for $25,000 (you can see a small pic of it in the GCAL certificate)
2.01 G VS1 for 22,000

2.07 E VVS1 for $31,000

If you''re looking for a large emerald cut, it''s going to be better to contact a reputable vendor and have them source it for you, rather than to shop on eBay. It''s going to be hard to find anything much over the 2 carat mark in that cut on your own. Are you looking for a big emerald cut, or just a good deal, or what is the thinking here?
 
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Oh no, no, no
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The answer of course is both. Im not afraid of Ebay when the vendor has a decent returns policy with lots of info. Im looking for a deal and willing to give up some perfections on this one. Either Emerald or at least Princess is wanted over 2-75 Ct.


Thanks....
 
Clarity below I-1 and color below J are weak areas in the Pricescope database. A quick search for 2ct+, J-, SI3-, emerald cut doesn’t produce a single offer. It’s not that there are no such stones but that they don’t advertise them here because they don’t sell well here. A lot of this sort of merchandise is sold on ebay and a lot is sold through the ‘friend of a wholesaler’ type of vest pocket dealer. It’s a dangerous marketplace. My advice is to approach it backwards if this is what you want. Find a dealer that you trust and that you can communicate well with, call them up and tell them what you want. Don’t be surprised if this isn’t what they stock in their inventory, few dealers do and the ones who choose to probably aren’t the ones you want. I don’t see anything wrong with buying an I-2/Q if that’s what you like because they ARE big and they are priced right but it doesn’t make it any better a deal for the dealer, or the dealer''s brother-in-law to call it an I-1/K. It is what it is. Most of the stones in the size range you’re looking for are coming from the virtual databases anyway and you can save yourself quite a bit of grief by starting out choosing the dealer who will assist you in navigating the system rather than waiting to see who will make the most outlandish promises and then hoping for the best.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Jewelry Appraisals in Denver
 
Date: 12/12/2007 5:53:52 PM
Author: denverappraiser
Clarity below I-1 and color below J are weak areas in the Pricescope database. A quick search for 2ct+, J-, SI3-, emerald cut doesn’t produce a single offer. It’s not that there are no such stones but that they don’t advertise them here because they don’t sell well here. A lot of this sort of merchandise is sold on ebay and a lot is sold through the ‘friend of a wholesaler’ type of vest pocket dealer. It’s a dangerous marketplace. My advice is to approach it backwards if this is what you want. Find a dealer that you trust and that you can communicate well with, call them up and tell them what you want. Don’t be surprised if this isn’t what they stock in their inventory, few dealers do and the ones who choose to probably aren’t the ones you want. I don’t see anything wrong with buying an I-2/Q if that’s what you like because they ARE big and they are priced right but it doesn’t make it any better a deal for the dealer, or the dealer''s brother-in-law to call it an I-1/K. It is what it is. Most of the stones in the size range you’re looking for are coming from the virtual databases anyway and you can save yourself quite a bit of grief by starting out choosing the dealer who will assist you in navigating the system rather than waiting to see who will make the most outlandish promises and then hoping for the best.
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Agree 100% on all of this. There are a lot of dogs out there--don''t just go for the one that''s barking the loudest.
 
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