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chewskydoo

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Thank you SO MUCH for the opinions, everyone! It''s really reassuring to have so many people chiming in with their support. For those of you who asked about my hesitations re: budget, I had originally hoped to cap things ~6000 or so, preferably a little less. But this stone really spoke to me, so I decided it might be worth bumping things up a little bit.




Of course, now the painting hysteria is setting in...

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I haven''t educated myself on this issue yet... I''m supposing that it''s a pretty contentious issue around here. Is it the whole Classic vs. New Line discussion? Is this something I should be worried about? Sounds like it probably depends on who you ask.
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Jonathan, I was hoping you were just scanning and misunderstood. You''re welcome. I get paid to read, and I do it rather well (most of the time) LOL
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Rod, you''re welcome. I was hoping I had not spoken out of turn. Thank you for your reassurance.

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Date: 6/8/2006 10:30:06 PM
Author: chewskydoo

Of course, now the painting hysteria is setting in...

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I haven''t educated myself on this issue yet... I''m supposing that it''s a pretty contentious issue around here. Is it the whole Classic vs. New Line discussion? Is this something I should be worried about? Sounds like it probably depends on who you ask.
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Don''t let the hysteria worry you. You needn''t worry.
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MOUNTAIN........ molehill.
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Date: 6/8/2006 10:30:06 PM
Author: chewskydoo

Thank you SO MUCH for the opinions, everyone! It''s really reassuring to have so many people chiming in with their support. For those of you who asked about my hesitations re: budget, I had originally hoped to cap things ~6000 or so, preferably a little less. But this stone really spoke to me, so I decided it might be worth bumping things up a little bit.





Of course, now the painting hysteria is setting in...

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I haven''t educated myself on this issue yet... I''m supposing that it''s a pretty contentious issue around here. Is it the whole Classic vs. New Line discussion? Is this something I should be worried about? Sounds like it probably depends on who you ask.
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Not at all. Both styles will be completely gorgeous. It is just a personal preference which one you like better. I love the New Line the best.

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Chewsky, I''ve honestly never seen a newline stone, so I can''t comment on that aspect! I have seen and do love the classic cut, however. But I''d advise you not to linger over your decision anytime you post a stone that you''re seriously interested in, because you may find it is gone before you have a chance to buy it. I just thought I should tell you that since you are new. Lots of lurkers around here searching for stones!
 

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Date: 6/8/2006 11:06:36 PM
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Chewsky, I''ve honestly never seen a newline stone, so I can''t comment on that aspect! I have seen and do love the classic cut, however. But I''d advise you not to linger over your decision anytime you post a stone that you''re seriously interested in, because you may find it is gone before you have a chance to buy it. I just thought I should tell you that since you are new. Lots of lurkers around here searching for stones!


ditto and this is the second thread that the lovely stone has been mentioned it
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Date: 6/8/2006 10:11:58 PM
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Date: 6/8/2006 8:39:42 PM

Thanks Shay and you''re right. I was by no means trying to speak for Storm, I was just borrowing his phrase to express my opinion.


Thanks.......
You can borrow it anytime I get a chuckle everytime you post it like that.
its kewl :}
 

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Date: 6/8/2006 10:30:06 PM
Author: chewskydoo

Thank you SO MUCH for the opinions, everyone! It''s really reassuring to have so many people chiming in with their support. For those of you who asked about my hesitations re: budget, I had originally hoped to cap things ~6000 or so, preferably a little less. But this stone really spoke to me, so I decided it might be worth bumping things up a little bit.





Of course, now the painting hysteria is setting in...

23.gif
I haven''t educated myself on this issue yet... I''m supposing that it''s a pretty contentious issue around here. Is it the whole Classic vs. New Line discussion? Is this something I should be worried about? Sounds like it probably depends on who you ask.
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If this stone really "spoke to you" as you said, then it may be worth bumping up your budget to get.

Here are a few, however that are under your $6,000 budget and will look the same size as the 0.998ct you are considering. You didn''t say what color or clarity you are looking for so there is a vary of choices here:

1.008ct I, VS2 ACA $5,618
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-2415704.htm

1.027ct F, SI2 ACA $5,675
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-2415703.htm

1.027ct E, SI1 $5,935
http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_Details.aspx?itemcode=AGS-6667805#

1.02ct I, VS2 $5,532.18
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2133/

1.03ct J, VVS1 $5,678.97
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/1818/


There are a lot more in the $6,000 - $6,500 price range. The above prices do not reflect any kind of bank wire or PS discount.

Hope I didn''t confuse you more....it is important for the stone to speak to you (IMO) so like I said if the 0.998ct really did, it is worth seriously considering.

As far as the whole painted girdle issue is concerned, I would let it stress you out too much. I personally have my own strong opinions about them, but others feel completely different than I do. Ideally you would want to see both types and let your own eyes decide, but I know most times that isn''t possible. I don''t think I would make it "the" deciding factor when picking a stone.
 

chewskydoo

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Thanks for the recommendations pebbles! I was seriously considering your second option earlier... I assume that idealscope represents a good example of a non-painted stone? It seemed really close to my original option, just a little bit lower clarity, which I don''t think I''d even notice.

Ideally, I was looking for a G+ (or maybe H, depending on the face-up color) with great HCA scores.

Ugh, this is so difficult! I have the original stone on hold, so I need to decide by later today...and I''m really busy at work today which makes the choice even harder. I wish I had hours of uninterrupted time to think about this. But yeah, your second second rec looks really nice to me. It''s hard to know how to weigh the trade-off b/t clarity and price w/ those two stones. My initial preference was based on the idealscope from the original stone--the dark edges in particular, which I now know relates to the painting issue. Based on the idealscopes, which stone do you think would perform better?
 

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the 1.027 f/si2 and the .998 f/vs2 are virtually identical except for clarity. they are the exact same size and within a hair on the angles. if clarity is not an issue, i would go for the si2 just to get the pricebreak. otherwise, all else is the same and you have a toss up. don''t stress it today. that is the beauty of buying an aca, it is easy! all of them are beautiful and you will not be dissapointed in whichever one you choose.
best of luck!
 

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As I said, I can''t comment on the painting issue, but in general, an SI2 would bother me (I know because I have one), so I''d pick a higher clarity. But that''s just me. We all have preferences and only you can decide how to balance out the 4 C''s within your budget!
 

Carlotta

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The best thing would be to see the stone with your own eyes.....No one here giving opinions (one way or the other) has actually seen the stone (and even if they had , their opinion might differ from yours).....
So, I guess you need to make your choice and then decide how much you like it in person!!!

Good luck!
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Date: 6/9/2006 9:40:43 AM
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As I said, I can''t comment on the painting issue, but in general, an SI2 would bother me (I know because I have one), so I''d pick a higher clarity. But that''s just me.

On the devil''s advocate side, I''d point out to Chewsky that not SI2 stones are the same.

Some SI2 stones are completely eyeclean, and I speak from experience because I own two SI2 stones that are completely eyeclean.

Others are not completely eyeclean.

You also have to consider which group you fall into: the eyeclean group or the mindclean group. Some people are bothered by the *label* of SI2 and the MENTAL knowledge of the inclusions in their stone.....even if their stone is completely eyeclean.

Unless you fall into this last category, I wouldn''t dismiss all SI2 stones out of hand. If eyeclean is fine by you, then you can get much more value for the dollar.

The way to find out if a stone is eyeclean? Call the vendor.....all of the vendors here are totally candid and honest about telling you truthfully if it is or isn''t eyeclean.

Good luck to you!
 

diamondseeker2006

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Very true, Alj. Mine have to pass Loupe-clean!
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Date: 6/9/2006 10:17:38 AM
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Very true, Alj. Mine have to pass Loupe-clean!
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Does this mean that you only buy IF graded diamonds

IF = Internally Flawless -- no internal inclusions visible under 10x magnification to a trained eye, but there may be some tiny external irregularities in the finish
 

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Date: 6/9/2006 11:10:07 AM
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Date: 6/9/2006 10:17:38 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Very true, Alj. Mine have to pass Loupe-clean!
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Does this mean that you only buy IF graded diamonds

IF = Internally Flawless -- no internal inclusions visible under 10x magnification to a trained eye, but there may be some tiny external irregularities in the finish
No, it does not. I find it very difficult to impossible to see VS1 inclusions with a 10x loupe. My preference is for a relatively high color, high clarity, ideal cut stone. Nothing wrong with that, is it?
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(My mother has an IF stone and my sisters-in-law have VVS...and I like them!)
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(ETA: I am not in an area that large stones above 1.5 cts are common, so I can put the money into a higher quality stone in a more moderate size. I would not wear a 2 ct. stone where I live and am a little self-conscious about 1.5. Finding my maximum size comfort level has been a challenge!)
 

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Date: 6/9/2006 11:41:34 AM
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No, it does not. I find it very difficult to impossible to see VS1 inclusions with a 10x loupe. My preference is for a relatively high color, high clarity, ideal cut stone. Nothing wrong with that, is it?
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(My mother has an IF stone and my sisters-in-law have VVS...and I like them!)
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DS, are you any closer to a purchase/decision?????
 

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If the diamond speaks to you... put a hold on it. Lurkers!! Beware.
 

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Date: 6/9/2006 11:43:56 AM
Author: Carlotta

Date: 6/9/2006 11:41:34 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006

No, it does not. I find it very difficult to impossible to see VS1 inclusions with a 10x loupe. My preference is for a relatively high color, high clarity, ideal cut stone. Nothing wrong with that, is it?
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(My mother has an IF stone and my sisters-in-law have VVS...and I like them!)
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DS, are you any closer to a purchase/decision?????
Hi, Carlotta, I am getting close. The stone with every single qualification has not appeared (and may never), but I have a strong possibility that has a little higher clarity than I require (but that''s fine), and it is a tiny bit smaller than I wanted ideally. But it meets all my other desires, so I am trying to make a decision very soon! I am debating about settings for it. Thanks so much for asking!
 

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Date: 6/9/2006 11:52:22 AM
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Date: 6/9/2006 11:43:56 AM
Author: Carlotta



Date: 6/9/2006 11:41:34 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006

No, it does not. I find it very difficult to impossible to see VS1 inclusions with a 10x loupe. My preference is for a relatively high color, high clarity, ideal cut stone. Nothing wrong with that, is it?
1.gif
(My mother has an IF stone and my sisters-in-law have VVS...and I like them!)
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DS, are you any closer to a purchase/decision?????
Hi, Carlotta, I am getting close. The stone with every single qualification has not appeared (and may never), but I have a strong possibility that has a little higher clarity than I require (but that's fine), and it is a tiny bit smaller than I wanted ideally. But it meets all my other desires, so I am trying to make a decision very soon! I am debating about settings for it. Thanks so much for asking!
Does this mean DS you are close to changing your name to Diamondfound - er soon?
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I sure hope so!
 

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Date: 6/9/2006 11:56:07 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 6/9/2006 11:52:22 AM
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Date: 6/9/2006 11:43:56 AM
Author: Carlotta




Date: 6/9/2006 11:41:34 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006

No, it does not. I find it very difficult to impossible to see VS1 inclusions with a 10x loupe. My preference is for a relatively high color, high clarity, ideal cut stone. Nothing wrong with that, is it?
1.gif
(My mother has an IF stone and my sisters-in-law have VVS...and I like them!)
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DS, are you any closer to a purchase/decision?????
Hi, Carlotta, I am getting close. The stone with every single qualification has not appeared (and may never), but I have a strong possibility that has a little higher clarity than I require (but that''s fine), and it is a tiny bit smaller than I wanted ideally. But it meets all my other desires, so I am trying to make a decision very soon! I am debating about settings for it. Thanks so much for asking!
Does this mean DS you are close to changing your name to Diamondfound - er soon?
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I sure hope so!
Lol!
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That''s a great thought, Lorelei, but then I''ll start seeking some new diamond studs! I''ll always probably be a diamond seeker! This site is addictive!
 

Carlotta

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Date: 6/9/2006 12:02:02 PM
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Date: 6/9/2006 11:56:07 AM
Author: Lorelei


Does this mean DS you are close to changing your name to Diamondfound - er soon?
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I sure hope so!
Lol!
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That''s a great thought, Lorelei, but then I''ll start seeking some new diamond studs! I''ll always probably be a diamond seeker! This site is addictive!
SO glad you have realistic expectations, DS!!! I was just going to post: don''t think it''s OVER when you get the diamond...once you get in the habit of looking, there are always new temptations out there........and the "search" is part of the fun!!
 

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Date: 6/9/2006 11:41:34 AM
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Date: 6/9/2006 11:10:07 AM

Author: dhog




Date: 6/9/2006 10:17:38 AM

Author: diamondseeker2006

Very true, Alj. Mine have to pass Loupe-clean!
9.gif


Does this mean that you only buy IF graded diamonds


IF = Internally Flawless -- no internal inclusions visible under 10x magnification to a trained eye, but there may be some tiny external irregularities in the finish

No, it does not. I find it very difficult to impossible to see VS1 inclusions with a 10x loupe. My preference is for a relatively high color, high clarity, ideal cut stone. Nothing wrong with that, is it?
1.gif
(My mother has an IF stone and my sisters-in-law have VVS...and I like them!)
1.gif
(ETA: I am not in an area that large stones above 1.5 cts are common, so I can put the money into a higher quality stone in a more moderate size. I would not wear a 2 ct. stone where I live and am a little self-conscious about 1.5. Finding my maximum size comfort level has been a challenge!)

I agree on not being able to see inclusions on VS 1 stones

my wife wants to redo her channel band with IDEAL stones
so I have been looking also.

I found the following stone and put a hold on it, but I
think it is way over kill for what we want to do with it.

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_details.aspx?idno=2410923

I think surrounding it with gold calls for somthing
less in color and or clarity.
 

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Date: 6/9/2006 12:06:09 PM
Author: Carlotta

Date: 6/9/2006 12:02:02 PM
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Date: 6/9/2006 11:56:07 AM
Author: Lorelei


Does this mean DS you are close to changing your name to Diamondfound - er soon?
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I sure hope so!
Lol!
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That''s a great thought, Lorelei, but then I''ll start seeking some new diamond studs! I''ll always probably be a diamond seeker! This site is addictive!
SO glad you have realistic expectations, DS!!! I was just going to post: don''t think it''s OVER when you get the diamond...once you get in the habit of looking, there are always new temptations out there........and the ''search'' is part of the fun!!
Ain''t that the truth!
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Date: 6/8/2006 10:37:29 PM
Author: aljdewey

Date: 6/8/2006 10:30:06 PM
Author: chewskydoo


Of course, now the painting hysteria is setting in...

23.gif
I haven''t educated myself on this issue yet... I''m supposing that it''s a pretty contentious issue around here. Is it the whole Classic vs. New Line discussion? Is this something I should be worried about? Sounds like it probably depends on who you ask.
21.gif

Don''t let the hysteria worry you. You needn''t worry.
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MOUNTAIN........ molehill.
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Yes, and if you really want relavent information, find the vendor who likes Key Lime Pie the best - or was that Lemon Pie?
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Consider the unbiased source.
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That said, from the specs, this sounds like a great choice & a FINE quality diamond.
 

Carlotta

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Date: 6/9/2006 12:24:07 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 6/9/2006 12:06:09 PM
Author: Carlotta


Date: 6/9/2006 12:02:02 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006



Lol!
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That''s a great thought, Lorelei, but then I''ll start seeking some new diamond studs! I''ll always probably be a diamond seeker! This site is addictive!
SO glad you have realistic expectations, DS!!! I was just going to post: don''t think it''s OVER when you get the diamond...once you get in the habit of looking, there are always new temptations out there........and the ''search'' is part of the fun!!
Ain''t that the truth!
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I didn''t notice the new "studs" part, but that''s exactly what I am thinking.......mine are a nice size, color (1/2 ct. each...F-G color), but they are steep deep (I learned THAT here, LOL!) SO, now I need better cut....
(sorry to hijack the thread, BTW!!)
 

diamondseeker2006

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Yes, please excuse the hijack! I am the same way Carlotta...my earrings have never been the same since I found PS! And we have two girls, so I''m just going to bite the bullet and get another pair!

I just really enjoy our little community here!
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We''re off to an out of town wedding, so I''ll see you all Saturday night
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