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IrishShopper

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Hi folks,

Considering getting this diamond from white flash in a Vatche U113 which I gather is a great Tiffany look alike.

ACA, G, VS2, 1.904

Diamond | 1.904 ct G VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4015037

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.904 carat G color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4015037
www.whiteflash.com

My upgrade choice would be this one. But it’s blowing the budget a little and I’m not sure it’s worth the price difference.
This one is an F and 2.048

Diamond | 2.048 ct F VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 3970294

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.048 carat F color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 3970294
www.whiteflash.com

Also looking at James Allen true hearts options but are they as good? And will there be a noticeable gap between these and more general GIA certified ones?
 
I'd stick with WhiteFlash! They have beautiful stones, and I guess I am biased because I also have the Vatche U113! I don't think I'd jump to an F VS over 2 cts. There's a G SI1, but I do prefer VS clarity, personally, and you must since both stones you're looking at are VS. Do you think she is hoping for 2 cts? It's important to have an idea what is important to her such as size or color. We could drop to H and get over 2 cts for not as much more.

Diamond | 2.043 ct H VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4187431

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.043 carat H color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4187431
www.whiteflash.com

I'd honestly ask them to compare this one and the G for color and see what they say. If it's a high H, it might be better to go over the 2 ct mark. Or if she is very color sensitive, then maybe you'd better stick with the G.
 
JA TH is a hit/miss deal. Generally speaking TH are better cut than the average stone but not always to the precision level of a true super ideal stone such as WF ACA.
 
Def don’t want to go below G and VS2 really. That’s the floor.

Is G pretty colourless in practice to the amateur eye?

Would somebody mind taking a look at the 1.9 and telling me what they think?
 
The 1.9 is a great stone! It has a tiny inclusion under the table and you can ask if it's eyeclean up close, but other than that, I see no issues. G is at the top end of near colorless. G is likely what I'd choose for an ideal cut engagement ring stone. F is a step whiter and is in the colorless range, but it is hard for me to justify the price jump. All of us have to find our comfort zone, though. If the choice was reversed, I'd definitely recommend a 2 ct G over a 1.9 F. But in this case, the 2 ct mark and color grade higher make that F stone so much higher in price than the G.
 
IrishShopper said:
Def don’t want to go below G and VS2 really. That’s the floor.

Is G pretty colourless in practice to the amateur eye?

Would somebody mind taking a look at the 1.9 and telling me what they think?
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I'm pretty color sensitive and a G looks good to me, but I really notice tint in H. Here's a 1.2 G I used to have.
 

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Yes, G is considered fairly colorless to the amateur eye. Of course, there are those that are color sensitive and want to stay in the true
colorless range. When budget and size considerations come into play, G tends to be the sweet spot for many.

The 1.9 is a lovely stone. If for some reason in the future she/you want(s) to upgrade size or color, Whiteflash has a very generous upgrade
policy.

FYI...I have a smaller ACA J colored stone.

Edit...the F is a gorgeous stone but I'd see if the 1.9 works for you.
 
Is there anything just under 2 ct in an F?
 
Unfortunately these are the only options so I’m at decision time.

Would somebody mind taking a look at the 2ct and see if they see any issues with this particular one?
 
IrishShopper said:
Unfortunately these are the only options so I’m at decision time.

Would somebody mind taking a look at the 2ct and see if they see any issues with this particular one?
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The H or the F in the 2 ct?
 
The F linked in original post.
 
IrishShopper said:
The F linked in original post.
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Ahh... I see you are at this point thinking of just going for it, in spite of the extra $$, to get her into a 2 ct AND colorless! The stone is phenomenal. You are getting the best of the best in cut, legit 2 ct, colorless, and VS!!! It honestly doesn't get any better than this. While, yes, it is a lot of money, I do feel you are getting a very competitive price for what you are getting (especially if you can do the wire price!)... there's definitive value in this stone. And you will have an excellent upgrade policy, yet I see absolutely no reason whatsoever as to why you would ever utilize it unless she decides later on the she would want a larger stone. I say GO FOR IT. Eat out a little less for awhile! You don't want to look back and kick yourself why you didn't stretch it a little and really put this over the top. If you can swing it without having to go without electricity lol, then do it... don't be like "almost 2 ct", and "almost colorless"... you are RIGHT THERE... it's not like getting there is may levels away. Since you are so close to being able to get into this stone, and it's clearly a conversation or you wouldn't be revisiting this... you've obviously been using the past # of days contemplating this so it has been nagging at you if you should do it. You obviously want to but are thinking of the $. This is a long-term thing... you aren't just blowing cash on something short-term. It obviously is within reach if you want it to be. And I think you do, you just want someone else to tell you it is worth the stretch. It is! Go for it! DO IT NOW! Congratulations. She is an EXTREMELY lucky lady!
 
Haha you should work in sales for these. Any thoughts on those incisions. The very helpful lady took a look and says she can only see with magnification...
 
It is a VS2 so I wouldn't worry. Would be visible under 10 power magnification with the loupe (but very small... would be easier to see under 30x with microscope), but will not be eye-visible. When you get into an SI is when you need to be more vigilant but you don't have these issues here. The grade-setter is a crystal... no biggie. And you don't have any of the clarity characteristics that we tend to try to stay away from (knot, cavity, excessive clouds, surface graining, etc.). Also, this stone doesn't have a long list of characteristics. It is short and sweet. Minimal. The small feather is under the crown facets, and not under the table which is good. This is a great stone. The ACAs are top in the industry, Your rep checked it for you. These stones are in-house, they have the stone right there and are looking at it personally. I think everyone on this forum would be thrilled to have this diamond and would agree with me that it is a winner. WF is not going to take stones that aren't clean enough and put the time into cutting for beauty if the rough is not up to par.
 
As for saying I should be selling them, thank you for the compliment... but that's not from "sales"... it is from owning a number of diamonds and not "getting it right"... with this one, you are getting it right. As I said, there is nothing she would ever want to upgrade on, short of wanting something larger of which i personally think 8.16mm is a great size but that is a personal preference.
 
TRUST ME when I tell you that your fiancé/wife will have the nicest ring by far amongst everyone around her because it is a super ideal, of which most people are not yet aware of... and that's not taking into acct the size, clarity, and color of this stone. You don't want to get down on 1 knee to propose knowing you went a little short on the 2 ct mark and were so close to colorless. She may not think about the color (unless it was discussed between the 2 of you and she specifically took interest in wanting that), but when you put the ring on her finger and she asks you the size, no girl wants to know their ring is "just under". You don't want her to be saying to people when her friends ask the size that it is "just under" 2 cts! I am assuming you are both much younger than me... I am almost 55 and have been married for 30 years... I have a lot of experience in seeing people go through this stage... just go for it!!!
 
If it helps, this is the stone I had picked out if I decided to go with Whiteflash as the vendor!
 
headlight said:
but when you put the ring on her finger and she asks you the size, no girl wants to know their ring is "just under". You don't want her to be saying to people when her friends ask the size that it is "just under" 2 cts!
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You say "almost 2ct"... :lol:
 
Dancing Fire said:
You say "almost 2ct"... :lol:
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Or just 2 carats.

Honestly with 0.20mm difference we are talking a difference so minimal that unless side by side you won't know 1.9 or 2.

Same deal with F vs G color, unless the wearer is extremely color sensitive. Even pros struggle to differentiate a single color grade. And lab report tolerances are 1+/- color and clarity grades.
 
Sounds like you made the best choice for you. WF is a top tier vendor and will take excellent care of you. Please post back with pictures of the finished product!
 
@canoeanu what is the mm size of your diamond? Yours looks larger on your hand than my 8.01mm on a 4.75 ring size (although I have a really large knuckle and short fingers so maybe that makes my ring look smaller).
I would imagine @IrishShopper already made the purchase???
 
It’s 7.5mm (exact). It’s an exact 1.67 carat.

I realized too late that they had already made the decision. I tried to delete my post (it’s not helpful after the fact) but I guess it’s still up.
 
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