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Dee*Jay

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Holy cow... I can only hope this is some sort of photography problem...
 

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The photo must have gotten switched with the photo of another diamond.

The HCA score is good and JA gives it "premium" for cut. So the photo can''t be of that diamond.

That''s my 2cents.
 

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This is one of the original "open me" diamonds...you have to peel away the outer shell, to get to the real diamond.

Actually...you might get better help with a descriptive title for this thread...asking to understand the picture for a diamond...etc...
 

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Date: 2/19/2007 9:00:33 PM
Author: Regular Guy
This is one of the original ''open me'' diamonds...you have to peel away the outer shell, to get to the real diamond.

Actually...you might get better help with a descriptive title for this thread...asking to understand the picture for a diamond...etc...
Like...an egg? A coconut??

The picture is so weird! Maybe it IS the wrong pic? I''ve never seen a picture like that.
 

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I browse James Allen religiously, and some of their pictures weird me out too.
Some of the pictures of their rounds look great, but some not so hot.
Sometimes the J''s look like D''s, for instance this one:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=860625

Compared to one of their I''s, which technically should look better, no?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=996250

And another thing I noticed, is that some of their diamonds look like they are charred around the facets. I don''t know if it''s the cutting tool, or perhaps a shadow?
Here''s a perfect example of what I''m talking about:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=964512

Whiteflash''s diamonds don''t show those burn marks...I have no idea if James Allen just offers so-so diamonds or if whiteflash is dishonest with their photography. It''s a mystery!

And just for fun, here is the scary cushion I found on JA''s website recently. You''d think they''d try to make the diamond look good!
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=1011281

Talk about BOWTIE!!!

But generally, since they are so honest with their photos I wouldn''t mind buying from them. :)
 

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Can only guess that its some sort of photographic anomaly. The dimensions are a bit farther out of round than normal and the cert lists the cut as good which really means it isn''t. Like a stock rating of hold really means dump before you get stuck. Overall based on stats I''m not loving the stone but the photo is interesting.
 

Cehrabehra

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the sym is only good... and considering it has near arrows the sym must be way off in other ways!
 

aljdewey

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Yikes.......well, it''s only listed as premium make, though, so that''s likely it.

Wouldn''t be my first pick, though.
 

kcoursolle

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The pavillion angle is pretty shallow and the symmetry is very off in this stone, I bet that is the real picture!
 

strmrdr

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Its likely the real picture and Im wondering if it didnt trigger a bug in the hca software.
 

strmrdr

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Here are the specs for those interested...

ugh101.JPG
 

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Date: 2/20/2007 1:17:30 AM
Author: kcoursolle
The pavillion angle is pretty shallow and the symmetry is very off in this stone, I bet that is the real picture!
Good call I bet your right :}
 

diagem

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Firstly, I think the focus is aimed more towards the crown, so the pavilion is really out of focus (so it seems!!!)

Secondly, the stone is a 1.00 carat..., that is probably the reason the symmetry is good (i think good is fine, but why are they marketing the stone as "premium-cut????)

Can a premium cut possess that range in diameter???

I am surprised at the VS2 grade..., if the image reflects the real inclusions, it seems to me that it should fall in the SI range....
 

strmrdr

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The dark areas are the narrow pavilion mains being obstructed by the camera lens.
85% lgf% and a very shallow pavilion gives that pattern.

12421PIC.JPG
 

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Date: 2/19/2007 9:53:05 PM
Author: luckystar112
I browse James Allen religiously, and some of their pictures weird me out too.
Some of the pictures of their rounds look great, but some not so hot.
Sometimes the J's look like D's, for instance this one:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=860625

Compared to one of their I's, which technically should look better, no?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=996250

And another thing I noticed, is that some of their diamonds look like they are charred around the facets. I don't know if it's the cutting tool, or perhaps a shadow?
Here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=964512

Whiteflash's diamonds don't show those burn marks...I have no idea if James Allen just offers so-so diamonds or if whiteflash is dishonest with their photography. It's a mystery!

And just for fun, here is the scary cushion I found on JA's website recently. You'd think they'd try to make the diamond look good!
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=1011281

Talk about BOWTIE!!!

But generally, since they are so honest with their photos I wouldn't mind buying from them. :)
Wow!!! LOL, at least I'm not he only one who's finding weirdness! Thanks for posting those!
That cushion, ROTFL!!!

I bought my FIC from JA and it's unbelievably amazing. So now I also religiously browse.


Thanks for the input, everybody. For some reason, this really bugged me!
 

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Date: 2/19/2007 9:53:05 PM
Author: luckystar112
I browse James Allen religiously, and some of their pictures weird me out too.
Some of the pictures of their rounds look great, but some not so hot.
Sometimes the J''s look like D''s, for instance this one:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=860625

Compared to one of their I''s, which technically should look better, no?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=996250

And another thing I noticed, is that some of their diamonds look like they are charred around the facets. I don''t know if it''s the cutting tool, or perhaps a shadow?
Here''s a perfect example of what I''m talking about:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=964512

Whiteflash''s diamonds don''t show those burn marks...I have no idea if James Allen just offers so-so diamonds or if whiteflash is dishonest with their photography. It''s a mystery!

And just for fun, here is the scary cushion I found on JA''s website recently. You''d think they''d try to make the diamond look good!
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=1011281

Talk about BOWTIE!!!

But generally, since they are so honest with their photos I wouldn''t mind buying from them. :)
I think this diamond is beautiful! I think bowties are totally underrated!!
 

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Date: 2/20/2007 10:13:24 AM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 2/19/2007 9:53:05 PM
Author: luckystar112
I browse James Allen religiously, and some of their pictures weird me out too.
Some of the pictures of their rounds look great, but some not so hot.
Sometimes the J''s look like D''s, for instance this one:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=860625

Compared to one of their I''s, which technically should look better, no?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=996250

And another thing I noticed, is that some of their diamonds look like they are charred around the facets. I don''t know if it''s the cutting tool, or perhaps a shadow?
Here''s a perfect example of what I''m talking about:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=964512

Whiteflash''s diamonds don''t show those burn marks...I have no idea if James Allen just offers so-so diamonds or if whiteflash is dishonest with their photography. It''s a mystery!

And just for fun, here is the scary cushion I found on JA''s website recently. You''d think they''d try to make the diamond look good!
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=1011281

Talk about BOWTIE!!!

But generally, since they are so honest with their photos I wouldn''t mind buying from them. :)
I think this diamond is beautiful! I think bowties are totally underrated!!
Wow, I love the chunky facets and small table on that cushion. Did you see the built up crown? It isn''t overly deep either. In the right lighting, that bowtie could end up throwing off huge flashes of fire!
 

Cehrabehra

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Date: 2/20/2007 10:20:29 AM
Author: Chrono

Date: 2/20/2007 10:13:24 AM
Author: Cehrabehra


Date: 2/19/2007 9:53:05 PM
Author: luckystar112
I browse James Allen religiously, and some of their pictures weird me out too.
Some of the pictures of their rounds look great, but some not so hot.
Sometimes the J''s look like D''s, for instance this one:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=860625

Compared to one of their I''s, which technically should look better, no?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=996250

And another thing I noticed, is that some of their diamonds look like they are charred around the facets. I don''t know if it''s the cutting tool, or perhaps a shadow?
Here''s a perfect example of what I''m talking about:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=964512

Whiteflash''s diamonds don''t show those burn marks...I have no idea if James Allen just offers so-so diamonds or if whiteflash is dishonest with their photography. It''s a mystery!

And just for fun, here is the scary cushion I found on JA''s website recently. You''d think they''d try to make the diamond look good!
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=130&item=1011281

Talk about BOWTIE!!!

But generally, since they are so honest with their photos I wouldn''t mind buying from them. :)
I think this diamond is beautiful! I think bowties are totally underrated!!
Wow, I love the chunky facets and small table on that cushion. Did you see the built up crown? It isn''t overly deep either. In the right lighting, that bowtie could end up throwing off huge flashes of fire!
yes, and the way it interacts with the kite facets is particularly pretty IMO.

Its funny because when I first got my stone I never noticed a bowtie... I noticed that it had pinfire as well as big fire. After a couple weeks I noticed the "bowtie" or in the case of a long cushion with a long culet - the "cumberbund" LOL And boy for a couple weeks that was ALL I could see and it BUGGED me - it was the single biggest reason I went around and took it all over the place to try to convince myself not to keep it. But at the SAME TIME it was my *favorite* part of the stone -the HUGE fire it let off was *exactly* what I wanted and I knew I wouldn''t find a facet that big anywhere else... and you know? I never see it anymore. Occasionally if I''m wearing black I''ll see a hint of it but I don''t notice it much. Most of the time it is some shade of blue or pink or green or whatever, reflecting and refracting light. Looking back the "bowtie" didn''t bother me - as much as the THOUGHT that somehow they''re supposed to be bad that had been put in my head from reading comments like the above about huge horrible bowties LOL
 

luckystar112

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I didn''t know what a bowtie was until I looked it up after seeing that pic. I have never seen a cushion in "real life" so I have no idea if it would bother me. I just thought that picture looked scarier than all the other pictures.
I''m not trying to persuade people not to buy bowties, but as someone who knows virtually nothing about diamonds the first think I thought was somethings not right with it. That could be bad for JA, no?
 

YoungPapa

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Hey guys!

I know I don''t post often, but I got an email about this diamond/topic and I thought I would post my reply. I hope this answers some of your questions...

This is, in fact, the correct picture for this diamond. Based on the image and the GIA cut grading of "Good", I think there are *much* better choices available on the jamesallen.com website.

As to the specifics of this image, we have developed a camera system that does two things very well. First, it allows customers to clearly see the clarity characteristics for the almost 10,000 diamonds we have cataloged and photographed. This is an invaluable tool when trying to select between diamonds in the SI and I1 range. Secondly, the cameras allow customers to clearly recognize the different ways in which fancy cut diamonds are shaped, such as the broadness of the cut-corners in an asscher or the various length/width ratio''s available for pears, marquises, and ovals.

A third feature (although not primary purpose) of the imaging is that exaggerates the different light-return patterns in various diamond cuts. For example, diamonds like this (with relatively shallow pavilion angles) will tend to photograph with a striking contrast between the shafts and tops of the arrows relative to the body of the diamond. On the flip side, diamonds with particularly steep pavilion angles will show the opposite affect - arrows that show little contrast against the rest of the diamond.

I wish this was the end of the story, but now things get even a bit more complicated! We don''t use just one camera to take images - we have more than a dozen. While each camera was *supposed* to be exactly and equally calibrated, that was not always the case. Over the course of the next several months we are going to rephotograph many diamonds in the system which are currently out of focus or have incorrect color settings.

In the meantime, I would invite anyone to call or email our offices about imaging questions or to have any diamond rephotographed (at no charge).

Lastly, I appreciate everyones interest and discussion about our diamonds, and am working to improve our technology each and every day.

Sincerely,
 

ebonykawai

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Hi Jim! LOL, I was just going to post about your email! Thanks again for all the info, I find all of this so interesting.


An aside: Jim and his crew were fantastic in my recent purchase, and it floors me how completely honest they all are. Jim's the first person I'd go to with questions, and Josh and Dave were awesome too. I give JA very high points!
 

FireGoddess

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Bowtie or not on that JA cushion, what I really love is that they post pictures of the actual stone...so many websites I see don''t show the pictures of the actual stone in question when the stone is fancy cut.
 

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Date: 2/20/2007 3:24:03 PM
Author: FireGoddess
Bowtie or not on that JA cushion, what I really love is that they post pictures of the actual stone...so many websites I see don''t show the pictures of the actual stone in question when the stone is fancy cut.
Yup that''s part of why I like JA. I''ve got to see it first and I hate sites that have a "mock photo." So I''m glad that they''re fixing their cameras to give us an even better view of the diamonds.


The other reason I like JA is cause they were so very nice when I bought my stone from them.
 

bosoxbw

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Date: 2/20/2007 11:30:08 AM
Author: James Allen Schultz
Hey guys!


I know I don't post often, but I got an email about this diamond/topic and I thought I would post my reply. I hope this answers some of your questions...


This is, in fact, the correct picture for this diamond. Based on the image and the GIA cut grading of 'Good', I think there are *much* better choices available on the jamesallen.com website.
OK, fair enough re: the photography. But why is this stone, if there are *much* better choices available, marketed as a "premium" cut stone? Seems like a B&M-type marketing approach to me.
 
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