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[upgradingmama]

This is just so scary. He's unstable. I am not a fan of the aca and many dem policies, but I could never vote for him. He's dangerous. He's divisive . He embraces hate. I fear for our people. It's like watching the rise of Hitler. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Calliecake]

How are Americans so dumb? How the F did we end up here?

Maybe they aren't "dumb", "sexist" or "hate-filled"; maybe they are simply frustrated at the course the country has been going. And like it or not, they have a right to their feelings as much as those on the left, and they are clearly voicing those feelings with their vote.

No, when we have a man who openly admits to sexual assualting woman, continually makes racist remarks, has no plans on how he is going to fix any of our countries problems, I think it's a pretty safe bet to say America is full of idiots.

 

[redwood66]

America is full of people and half of them do not agree with the majority of PS posters.

 

[LLJsmom]

America is full of Americans and half of them probably would not want to be sexually assaulted, and would not want their leader to be one who condones sexual assaults.

 

[Gypsy]

I am terrified of a tie, too.

Anyone know WTF is going on with Utah??? If Utah goes to neither, then we might have a tie. Broken by the new House. And the House is gerrymandered to hell and back by the Republicans.

 

[the_mother_thing]

America is full of Americans and half of them probably would not want to be sexually assaulted, and would not want their leader to be one who condones sexual assaults.

Then why vote for Hillary? She condoned her husband's "behavior".

 

[Dancing Fire]

Americans are sick and tired of the failed liberal policies.

 

[LLJsmom]

America is full of Americans and half of them probably would not want to be sexually assaulted, and would not want their leader to be one who condones sexual assaults.

Then why vote for Hillary? She condoned her husband's "behavior".

Great, blame the wife... No...women have not suffered enough. Heap more blame on the woman, who has nothing to do with it.

Blame HC for her husband's behavior. Don't even acknowledge that the actual person who committed the act has any responsibility. Of course. It shouldn't surprise me.

 

[redwood66]

I seriously hope that this country pulls together no matter what.

 

[upgradingmama]

I am terrified of a tie, too.

Anyone know WTF is going on with Utah??? If Utah goes to neither, then we might have a tie. Broken by the new House. And the House is gerrymandered to hell and back by the Republicans.

omg NBC just said very likely tie!

 

[Gypsy]

Then why vote for Hillary? She condoned her husband's "behavior".

Forgiving someone is not the same as condoning their behavior. That is just... a fallacy.


Forgiving a loved one is an act of compassion. It does not make you complicit in their behavior. You can love someone, you can condemn their behavior and STILL forgive them.




I can't type more without getting banned forever on here.

 

[LLJsmom]

Canada's immigration website has just crashed. PBS newshour

 

[upgradingmama]

America is full of Americans and half of them probably would not want to be sexually assaulted, and would not want their leader to be one who condones sexual assaults.

Then why vote for Hillary? She condoned her husband's "behavior".

Great, blame the wife... No...women have not suffered enough. Heap more blame on the woman, who has nothing to do with it.

Blame HC for her husband's behavior. Don't even acknowledge that the actual person who committed the act has any responsibility. Of course. It shouldn't surprise me.

couldn't have said it better... seriously??!!!

 

[yssie]

Americans are sick and tired of the failed liberal policies.

Incorrect.

A subsection of Americans are sick and tired of failed policies (many of which, by the way, failed because they were neutered by congress) - and have apparently put their faith into a caricature who stands for nothing they need or want. His fiscal policies will do nothing to empower these groups... but his hatred of anything unlike him - women, minorities, basically non-white non-high-earners - apparently resonates.

 

[Dancing Fire]

I am terrified of a tie, too.

Anyone know WTF is going on with Utah??? If Utah goes to neither, then we might have a tie. Broken by the new House. And the House is gerrymandered to hell and back by the Republicans.

omg NBC just said very likely tie!

The liberal medias are sore losers...

 

[the_mother_thing]

America is full of Americans and half of them probably would not want to be sexually assaulted, and would not want their leader to be one who condones sexual assaults.

Then why vote for Hillary? She condoned her husband's "behavior".

Great, blame the wife... No...women have not suffered enough. Heap more blame on the woman, who has nothing to do with it.

Blame HC for her husband's behavior. Don't even acknowledge that the actual person who committed the act has any responsibility. Of course. It shouldn't surprise me.

1) I didn't "blame" her; she made her choice, and that is her prerogative. But choices have consequences of perception, like it or not.

2) Trump did NOT say he grabbed women ... he was speaking metaphorically about life as a celeb (not that I condone it, just stating the facts). He was NOT charged with nor found guilty of a crime ... just like HRC wasn't charged nor found guilty of her email debacle.

If we are going to hurl allegations either way, let's be sure to do so FAIRLY.

 

[Gypsy]

Americans are sick and tired of the failed liberal policies.

Incorrect.

A subsection of Americans are sick and tired of failed policies (many of which, by the way, failed because they were neutered by congress) - and have apparently put their faith into a caricature who stands for nothing they need or want. His fiscal policies will do nothing to empower these groups... but his hatred of anything unlike him - women, minorities, basically non-white non-high-earners - apparently resonates.

Yes.

 

[redwood66]

Americans are sick and tired of the failed liberal policies.

Incorrect.

A subsection of Americans are sick and tired of failed policies (many of which, by the way, failed because they were neutered by congress) - and have apparently put their faith into a caricature who stands for nothing they need or want. His fiscal policies will do nothing to empower these groups... but his hatred of anything unlike him - women, minorities, basically non-white non-high-earners - apparently resonates.

Yes.

At this point the popular vote is nearly 50/50 so when will you admit it is more than a subsection? That very attitude is why this election is turning out this way. Those "deplorables" are many and are being heard it seems.

 

[AdaBeta27]

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As I've posted, polls can't pick up people who are ashamed to admit for whom they intend to vote.

Ashamed, my aunt Fannie. More likely, the polls didn't pick up the magnitude of Trump support. Older Trump supporters just don't answer pollsters, ever. They hang up on the phone polls. Many of them are people who never use a computer, Internet, or smart phone. Many are private people who just don't volunteer information or post their lives on Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter. If the pollsters either fail to reach the right people, or the people they reach decline to participate, the results will be incorrect. "Ashamed" in all likelihood is a figment of your imagination. There are Trump signs everywhere in my town. PDRA drag racers had Trump emblazoned on their cars as soon as Trump got the nomination. I didn't see any Hillary decals on those cars, lol. Look at the USA map, where Trump led. It's the flyovers. If the pollsters are polling West Coast and Virginia, then it's easy to see why their results would predict a win for Hillary. The West Coast and parts of Eastern Seaboard obviously voted quite differently from the rest of the nation. Hillary got 26.7% of the votes in WV, which a blind man could see coming. People voted for jobs and fair trade, voted against Obamacare, voted anti-abortion. But, no, they were the slightest bit ashamed of being Trump supporters. West Coast, northern Eastern Seaboard, and pollsters, and Pricescope were just too far out of the loop.

eta: My ex-husband never failed to take a survey or fill out a response card, with complete lies. He got his jollies being, as he called it, "part of the margin of error."

 

[LLJsmom]

America is full of Americans and half of them probably would not want to be sexually assaulted, and would not want their leader to be one who condones sexual assaults.

Then why vote for Hillary? She condoned her husband's "behavior".

Great, blame the wife... No...women have not suffered enough. Heap more blame on the woman, who has nothing to do with it.

Blame HC for her husband's behavior. Don't even acknowledge that the actual person who committed the act has any responsibility. Of course. It shouldn't surprise me.

1) I didn't "blame" her; she made her choice, and that is her prerogative. But choices have consequences of perception, like it or not.

2) Trump did NOT say he grabbed women ... he was speaking metaphorically about life as a celeb (not that I condone it, just stating the facts). He was NOT charged with nor found guilty of a crime ... just like HRC wasn't charged nor found guilty of her email debacle.

If we are going to hurl allegations either way, let's be sure to do so FAIRLY.

Jen, you don't get it. I'm not saying that it was her fault. Her husband's actions are his alone. Oh forget it. Not worth it. Believe what you want to. I will do the same.

 

[LLJsmom]

Then why vote for Hillary? She condoned her husband's "behavior".

Forgiving someone is not the same as condoning their behavior. That is just... a fallacy.

Forgiving a loved one is an act of compassion. It does not make you complicit in their behavior. You can love someone, you can condemn their behavior and STILL forgive them.

I can't type more without getting banned forever on here.

It's ok Gypsy. No amount of explaining will work. Maybe time and experience will allow for more wisdom.

 

[the_mother_thing]

At this point the popular vote is nearly 50/50 so when will you admit it is more than a subsection? That very attitude is why this election is turning out this way. Those "deplorables" are many and are being heard it seems.

^^This^^

I find it quite arrogant to resort to name calling and dismiss the feelings of people you don't know simply because you don't agree with them, and it's certainly not very 'tolerant'.

 

[yssie]

Americans are sick and tired of the failed liberal policies.

Incorrect.

A subsection of Americans are sick and tired of failed policies (many of which, by the way, failed because they were neutered by congress) - and have apparently put their faith into a caricature who stands for nothing they need or want. His fiscal policies will do nothing to empower these groups... but his hatred of anything unlike him - women, minorities, basically non-white non-high-earners - apparently resonates.

Yes.

At this point the popular vote is nearly 50/50 so when will you admit it is more than a subsection? That very attitude is why this election is turning out this way. Those "deplorables" are many and are being heard it seems.

... And when our economy is completely destroyed, when the global economy has been dragged down with it, when women are second-class citizens and minorities come in a far third and gay families have been torn apart, when we've ballooned the deficit beyond all prayer of repair to "keep 'em outsiders out!!" with immigration policies borne of xenophobia...

Yes, they'll have been heard.

 

[the_mother_thing]

It's ok Gypsy. No amount of explaining will work. Maybe time and experience will allow for more wisdom.

And you just made my last point.

Just because we don't agree 1) doesn't make you right and me wrong; and, 2) is not cause to be condescending.

Tolerance & respect for others is something the left constantly preaches yet seemingly doesn't practice.

 

[redwood66]

Americans are sick and tired of the failed liberal policies.

Incorrect.

A subsection of Americans are sick and tired of failed policies (many of which, by the way, failed because they were neutered by congress) - and have apparently put their faith into a caricature who stands for nothing they need or want. His fiscal policies will do nothing to empower these groups... but his hatred of anything unlike him - women, minorities, basically non-white non-high-earners - apparently resonates.

Yes.

At this point the popular vote is nearly 50/50 so when will you admit it is more than a subsection? That very attitude is why this election is turning out this way. Those "deplorables" are many and are being heard it seems.

... And when our economy is completely destroyed, when the global economy has been dragged down with it, when women are second-class citizens and minorities come in a far third and gay families have been torn apart, when we've ballooned the deficit beyond all prayer of repair to "keep 'em outsiders out!!" with immigration policies borne of xenophobia...

Yes, they'll have been heard.

Because that crystal ball of yours works so well. Like I said I hope this country can come together.

 

[VRBeauty]

I am terrified of a tie, too.

Anyone know WTF is going on with Utah??? If Utah goes to neither, then we might have a tie. Broken by the new House. And the House is gerrymandered to hell and back by the Republicans.

A lot of Mormons who would normally vote Republican don't believe Trump represents their values. The Deseret News, the major newspaper that is thought to represent the LDS church, has not endorsed Trump and called on him to drop out of the race after the "pussy" tapes emerged. Many Utahans can't see themselves voting for Clinton either though. A relative unknown named Evan McMullin, a former CIA agent and Republican congressional staffer - and a Mormon - may do well there. He's also only 40 so could show up in future presidential races.

 

[yssie]

Americans are sick and tired of the failed liberal policies.

Incorrect.

A subsection of Americans are sick and tired of failed policies (many of which, by the way, failed because they were neutered by congress) - and have apparently put their faith into a caricature who stands for nothing they need or want. His fiscal policies will do nothing to empower these groups... but his hatred of anything unlike him - women, minorities, basically non-white non-high-earners - apparently resonates.

Yes.

At this point the popular vote is nearly 50/50 so when will you admit it is more than a subsection? That very attitude is why this election is turning out this way. Those "deplorables" are many and are being heard it seems.

... And when our economy is completely destroyed, when the global economy has been dragged down with it, when women are second-class citizens and minorities come in a far third and gay families have been torn apart, when we've ballooned the deficit beyond all prayer of repair to "keep 'em outsiders out!!" with immigration policies borne of xenophobia...

Yes, they'll have been heard.

Because that crystal ball of yours works so well. Like I said I hope this country can come together.

My crystal ball is fueled by what Trump has SAID and CAMPAIGNED WITH - he wanted Mexico to build a wall for us, he refused to release tax returns and we got enough background from what was leaked to kind of sort of figure out why... and his running mate is even more terrifying: I maintain Trump is a blustering buffoon; Pence is driven to force his ideology on everyone else. You do know he believes in conversion therapy, for example, right?

 

[redwood66]

I guess the coming together won't start here on PS. Stay nasty if that is what you are.

 

[Gypsy]

I am terrified of a tie, too.

Anyone know WTF is going on with Utah??? If Utah goes to neither, then we might have a tie. Broken by the new House. And the House is gerrymandered to hell and back by the Republicans.

A lot of Mormons who would normally vote Republican don't believe Trump represents their values. The Deseret News, the major newspaper that is thought to represent the LDS church, has not endorsed Trump and called on him to drop out of the race after the "pussy" tapes emerged. Many Utahans can't see themselves voting for Clinton either though. A relative unknown named Evan McMullin, a former CIA agent and Republican congressional staffer - and a Mormon - may do well there. He's also only 40 so could show up in future presidential races.

Yes. But. The third party candidate there is practically tied with Clinton. So ....bleep, bleep, bleep.

 

[iLander]

We've been hacked.

That's my contention. IT's just too much of a mis-match. Too much. The polls can't be this far off. Especially Utah, Florida, Pennsylvania. States that Obama carried? WTF? The Obama voters became Trump voters? No.

What will Trump do? I think we will "join Russia to fight ISIS". Then we will not back NATO. Then we will become Allies with Russia.

Why do I think that?

Because that's the only thing Trump has been consistent on throughout: Russia/Putin not bad, why can't we fight ISIS with Russia, not sure Russians are actually hacking, NATO needs to pay their way.

It's a Russian coup. No question.

Remember when I posted that we were at war with Russia? FACTS: We sanctioned them, froze their international assets, cut off access to their international banks, sanctioned them and plunged the price of oil because they make a ton of $$$ on oil. Even the price of diamonds has dropped. So they a guy dumb enough to do their bidding in the White House.

Canada here I come. At least DH can get healthcare.