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I am looking at a stone that has the angles and percentages listed below.

My concern is that the table is too small, esthetically. Will the table make this stone look much smaller than its weight?

Table: 53.7%
Crown Angle: 34.8%
Crown Height: 16.1%
Girdle: Faceted, 1.3% to 3.7%
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Pavilion Depth: 42.9%
Star Length: 54%
Lower Girdle Length: 79%
Total Depth: 62.0%
Culet: Pointed

Thanks!
 
I believe that is still within Tolk. ideal proportions. I don''t think it will be a problem at that size personally, but I''m no expert. A bigger table will make the diamond appear a bit bigger, but I don''t think that the difference is enough to NOT buy an otherwise great stone.
 
It scores well on the HCA I see.
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And my understanding is that a smaller table will create more "fire". I am waiting on my "smaller table" stone to arrive as we speak! I''m excited---mine has a table percentage of 54.7. Can you get an ideal-scope image of this stone?
 
Thanks for the feedback. I''m still exploring vendors, but must admit that I''m a bit in love with this stone just based on the numbers. (probably not a good thing?)
Is the HCA a VERY reliable predictor or is it more of a guideline?

I have asked the vendor to supply an ideal-scope image and I''m waiting to hear back.
 
That''s my understanding too. A bit larger table can give the illusion of a bigger diamond, but the performance will be more brilliance oriented. A smaller tabled stone tend to more firey performance.

It''s probably gonna come down to your own eye and what type of light you like. More bright, white. Or lots of flashes of color.
 
Date: 6/9/2007 8:42:51 PM
Author: GZeus
Thanks for the feedback. I''m still exploring vendors, but must admit that I''m a bit in love with this stone just based on the numbers. (probably not a good thing?)

Is the HCA a VERY reliable predictor or is it more of a guideline?


I have asked the vendor to supply an ideal-scope image and I''m waiting to hear back.
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The HCA is meant to be a weeding tool. To help you sort out potential poor performers. From there, it''s up to you. What you like or don''t like to see.
 
It is the diameter that determines the face-up size of the stone, not the table. So in your specs in your first post, you left out the stone measurements and the weight. That is what you need to look at to see if the stone has the diameter it should have according to it''s weight.
 
Date: 6/9/2007 11:49:10 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
It is the diameter that determines the face-up size of the stone, not the table. So in your specs in your first post, you left out the stone measurements and the weight. That is what you need to look at to see if the stone has the diameter it should have according to it''s weight.
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Good Point DS....

 
That looks like the definition of a Tolkowsky ideal.
 
I'm not sure I know for certain how the diameter is shown. I can't find that in the tutorials.
My guess is that the first 2 numbers of the 'measurements' are the high-low of diameter- is this correct? If so, this stone is very consistent with 0.01 of difference between the numbers.

The diameter is close to 7.0 at its about 1.3 carats... and, yes, it is very close to a Tolkowsky ideal - though a touch deeper.

* Please forgive the lack of precision but I don't want to draw extra attention to this stone. No offense is intended.
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table is fine.
id consider it if it was h&a and the IS looked good.
 
Oops - never mind. IS = Ideal-Scope
 
Gzeus, I''d have the vendor put that stone on hold just in case it''s the one you end up wanting. Most will hold it and give you a chance to consider it.
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Thanks for the advise ''Jenn5504''. The stone is now on hold! That was easy.... much easier than I expected - one phone call.

More questions for all those with more buying experience than me.... okay, that would be everyone....

Would the lack of an IS from the vendor be a deal breaker for you?
(Yes, it has a 30day return window but my schedule is truly bizarre as I am away from home for the next 2 weeks.)

Where else could I get an IS viewing - not necessarily a photo? Do appraisers use them?

Thanks to all.
-GZ
 
Lack of an IS would not be a deal breaker for me. I''d have a stone sent as long as it meets Ideal cut measurements. Look at the stone with your eyes and see if you love it in different lighting. The diameter sounds fine.
 
Date: 6/10/2007 2:05:45 PM
Author: GZeus
Thanks for the advise ''Jenn5504''. The stone is now on hold! That was easy.... much easier than I expected - one phone call.

More questions for all those with more buying experience than me.... okay, that would be everyone....

Would the lack of an IS from the vendor be a deal breaker for you?
(Yes, it has a 30day return window but my schedule is truly bizarre as I am away from home for the next 2 weeks.)

Where else could I get an IS viewing - not necessarily a photo? Do appraisers use them?

Thanks to all.
-GZ
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That would be a deal breaker for me.

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Certainly not a dealbreaker for me as long as everything else looked great, BUT if you want to cover your bases you can actually buy your own Idealscope to check out your stone for under $100.
 
I recently purchased a ring, setting and eternity band from BlueNile (.........just guessing this might be where you''re considering a purchase based on the 30 day return and no IS comments...). Their prices are good and gotta love the no tax for the majority of us. And the 30 day return policy is really nice---and let me tell you, I wore them OUT with returning all of these pieces one by one and they were VERY nice about it. For me though, I had major buyers remorse after purchasing through them because I was wishing I had gone with a vendor with an upgrade policy, wishing I had gone with a vendor who truly examines the stones for you up front and wishing I had gone with a vendor who would offer a sarin and IS. SO, I went with WF and am sooooooo glad I did now........just the peace of mind having seen a sarin confirm the specs of the stone I chose, and seeing a 40X magnification pic of the stone and Ideal Scope Image, it was just that safe guard that I knew I didn''t find those rare stones that look good on paper but don''t look good in person. I happen to be in TX so I ended up paying sales tax, but I''m sooooooo glad I went with WF in the end. I was also less than impressed with the quality of the stones in the eternity band I purchased from BN, so I ordered a band from SignedPieces and they were so wonderful to deal with. I just know now that for me, I want a little more personal assistance than BN can offer and I REALLY REALLY wanted an UPGRADE POLICY-----on the SLIM chance that I can convince my dear husband to go for that down the road.
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JUST MY PERSONAL FEELINGS, I am not putting BN down, they were very very nice to deal with. Just didn''t offer some of the perks that WF and signed pieces did and I''m extremely particular and anal so I needed a little more flexibility from a vendor.
 
Thanks for the reply Jenn. Yes, it is BN and yes I would prefer to go with WF for a lot of the reasons you listed - especially the upgrade.

However, because I live in Texas too, I would pay around $800 in tax. Add to that - and this is going to sound rather stupid but - 50K in Continental air miles (+/-$400 ticket) and a chance to leave my funds in my high interest account for another 90 days using the finance option (+/-$150). Buying from WF would end up costing me over $1300 extra. While the stone is expensive, at least I'm getting the stone. The other $1300 would be just be gone for sake of going with my preferred vendor. Anyway, that's my thinking on it. And it can't hurt to take a look at it!

Now I know that 'a few' people will point out that I could save a lot more than that if I just went for 'eye clean'. For cultural/family reasons, and partically through my own choice, I prefer a higher clarity. Maybe when I get engaged next time I'll be 'smarter'
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All the details:

Type: Brilliant Round
Cut: AGS Ideal 0
Light: 0
Proportion: 0
Finish: 0
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Wt: 1.32
Color: H
Clarity: VVS2
Flor: Neg
Measure: 7.05 x 7.06 x 4.37 mm

Table: 53.7%
Crown Angle: 34.8%
Crown Height: 16.1%
Girdle: Faceted, 1.3% to 3.7%
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Pavilion Depth: 42.9%
Star Length: 54%
Lower Girdle Length: 79%
Total Depth: 62.0%
Culet: Pointed
Inscribed "AGSL ####### H&A" (though I don't really give this much consideration as I'm not sure who/when did the inscription)

I guess I won't really know until I see it.
 
I love that it''s an AGS0 stone. To me that helps, at least it''s actual performance has in fact been checked, by AGSL. I''m sure it will be a gorgeous stone.
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30 days is plenty of time to make sure you''re happy with it. And I can''t tell you enough how nice BN was about my returns. Even with some pretty bad scratches to the 6 prong e-ring (thanks to the 2ct shared prong eternity band....). PLEASE share pics when you get the stone!!! What setting are you getting? Yeah.........I''m one of those who is all about going WAY down in clarity to score more carat weight
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but to each their own. The purchaser has to be comfortable with the level of inclusion and if for you VVS2 is it, then you need to do what makes you comfortable. I have to admit, it bothers my husband that I go for the SI2''s, but he''s finally realized that I''m all about cut and SIZE.
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I would have no problem ordering an AGS0 stone with no futher info. Those are the very top stones, so having an IS would be irrelevant to me, considering the stone has already been assessed by experts far more knowledgeable than me!!! Incidentally, my stone is H VS1, and I also prefer a higher clarity for no other reason than personal preference. H color is a great value regardless of the clarity, so you may as well go for the best clarity you can get! This stone looks great. Please come back and show us pictures when it comes!
 
Hmmm... just noticed that the WF side-stones are F/G. Do you think that would cause the center stone (H) to look more yellow?
 
Yes, WF will set another vendor''s stone, for a small setting fee (I think like $50). I do love the X-prongs! That setting is quite wide, just wanted to point that out----do you have a wedding band style in mind? Just consider that while you''re shopping for the setting. I''m just worried about the setting/band overpowering the center stone.
 
Hmmm.. good point.

I''m more than willing to take suggestions!
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Has your fiance-to-be expressed any preference of any kind as far as settings?
 
Date: 6/10/2007 4:04:51 PM
Author: GZeus
Actually, I was thinking about going to WF for the setting.... ironic, I guess. I sent them an email asking if they would set a stone if I purchased the setting from them but haven''t heard back yet. Maybe you know the answer?


Anyway, I am most interested in this setting:

http://www.whiteflash.com/Engagement-Rings/Styles/Diamond-Settings/X-Prong-with-Channel-Setting_987.htm


Opinion, please?
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It''s ummmm, pretty manly.

I would try the Vatche line. They have some much more delicate channel set rings if that''s what you''re looking for.

As for WF, my absolute favorite (and the favorite of many women here on PS) is the Legato Sleek Line setting.
 
If I got the stone from WF, then I''d have them set it. But if you get the stone elsewhere, I''d just go local for the setting or have BN set it. The settings are not really much less expensive from the online vendors. So I guess I''d say if WF has a setting you want, I''d try to buy the stone from them as well. Thta''s so much easier than sending the diamond all over the place, not to mention the issue of who is insuring it while being set.
 
Thank you all for the pointers.... especially the "manly" observation.
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You are right. I need to be more creative. My lady is very feminine.

She did express an interest in something simpler, like with pear sidestones.
My concern when I looked at those was finding a band to match later if its what she wants. You don''t see many bands with pear cuts on them.
And now that I think of it, she did take a long look at one with baguette''s when we were browsing at the mall one day. I''m not a fan of baguette''s myself but... its not for me.
Yes, I know those are completely different from the example I gave. Sometimes I forget its not for me.
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Are the settings at BN good quality?
Is Vatche available at the retail level in most cities? I can''t seem to get onto their website... it''s ''dvatche.com'', right?

Arrgh! I''m NO good at fashion - especially delicate, feminine fashion. I can shop for a stone because its more mathematical - a challenge even.
A setting? This may be tougher than the stone for me.
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Is having the stone set in a simple, inexpensive solitaire setting for the engagement an option? Then your fiance can help pick the setting? I was not happy with my BN setting. It was just the 6 prong solitaire, cheapie, but the prongs were very large and it was not set well in my opinion.....just my experience though. I really have to agree with the previous posters suggestion of simplifying the process by getting the stone and setting at the same place........sending around these expensive diamonds is stressful and expensive plus the insurance issues, and I would again recommend going with someone with an upgrade policy......10 years down the road you and your girl may want bigger (10 years.......who am I kidding.....I know from experience that shrinkage sets in about 3 days into the ring......).
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I know you already explained your reasoning for not going with WF, but maybe the $1300 is worth the upgrade policy and one on one attention you will get........not to mention they do GREAT and from what I''ve heard in talking with them reasonable, custom work.......I sound like I''m sooooooooo pushing WF, and I guess I am, I am just SO impressed with their customer service and helpfulness.......
 
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