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Rough_Rock
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First of HUGE thanks to everyone that contributes to this board Ive been reading the forums for the past 2 months now.I''m really excited to finally committing to buying and it feels very good. Because of you i dont feel like the lost sheep anymore. I also know that I''m in good hands with the advice that everyone gives Ive finally decided what id like and what my budget is.
My budget is 4000 max
What I''m hoping for.
Carat: 0.8- .95
Colour: f-g
Clarity: no less then si1 I''d really like something eye clean
Cut: good- excellent /good-premium

Of the stones I''ve seen in person I have found that i do have tendency to notice warmer colored stones,The ring I''ve picked has four prongs so inclusions on the outer area wouldn''t be a problem. Not sure what other information I''m leaving out.
Heres a few I looked at so far.
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-details/?product_id=25093785
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-details/?product_id=26153812
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-details/?product_id=24291625
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-details/?product_id=26115083

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-1290085.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Good-Cut-Round-Diamond-1179758.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI1-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-973865.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1290093.asp

Thanks for everyones help.
 
No to all from JA that has images or report.

BGD''s selection look promising from the numbers, just a little iffy for me for #3, idealscope image will tell more.

But since you are considering virtual stones, unless you want one of BGD''s setting, I would prefer to go with JA as their upgrade policy applies to all stones while BGD only for their signature H&A.
 
These 2 looks promising.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-1289043.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1103477.asp

Ask for an idealscope image from JA and if the SI1 stone is eye-clean if you are interested.

This looks promising too, if you want to hit the 1 carat mark, but because of the v-thick girdle, only has about the same diameter as a 0.94c well cut stone.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-1104120.asp
 
Stone what do you mean "No to all from JA that has images or report"
Shouldn''t they have reports or am I showing my ignorance? Ill look into the ones you suggested those are some amazing stones, that full carat is crazy!
HUGE thanks!
 
Date: 3/26/2010 3:15:09 PM
Author: rewdey
Stone what do you mean ''No to all from JA that has images or report''
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#1 and #4 stone do not have the report loaded. Same for #2 stone, but from the loupe image which shows a lot of obstruction, black under the table, I can deduce that it has a shallow pavilion angle, no good for a ring stone.

So basically, #2 and #3 stone is no good to me. Cannot say anything about #1 and #4 stone because of the lack of information.
 
Stone Ill be looking into the stones you recommend they def do seem a lot better then the ones i was looking at I;ll get an idealscope for the one you asked for on that si1 that one carat is really interesting. Thanks again you really make me realize how much i have to understand but in a good way, you def are a god among men when it comes to this expertise.
 
Date: 3/26/2010 3:23:48 PM
Author: Stone-cold11

Date: 3/26/2010 3:15:09 PM
Author: rewdey
Stone what do you mean ''No to all from JA that has images or report''
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#1 and #4 stone do not have the report loaded. Same for #2 stone, but from the loupe image which shows a lot of obstruction, black under the table, I can deduce that it has a shallow pavilion angle, no good for a ring stone.

So basically, #2 and #3 stone is no good to me. Cannot say anything about #1 and #4 stone because of the lack of information.
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Ditto that, also with the second it could have a shallow pavilion or shallow pavilion and crown angle, personally I would pass on these selections.
 
Date: 3/27/2010 12:18:29 AM
Author: rewdey
Stone Ill be looking into the stones you recommend they def do seem a lot better then the ones i was looking at I;ll get an idealscope for the one you asked for on that si1 that one carat is really interesting.
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The diamonds SC suggested are definitely worth further investigation if you prefer not to go with the BG diamonds.
 
I''m dumping all the stones i was considering and looking into the ones Stone suggested I''m going to request the idealscope on the Si1 first thing tomrrow morning I actually like the fact james allen is close by(2 hrs). I dont have a preference to either dealer I just know that everyone loves Brian alot. Ill post the idealscope as soon as I get it. Thanks again everyone.
 
Good luck.
 
Date: 3/28/2010 10:38:46 PM
Author: rewdey
I''m dumping all the stones i was considering and looking into the ones Stone suggested I''m going to request the idealscope on the Si1 first thing tomrrow morning I actually like the fact james allen is close by(2 hrs). I dont have a preference to either dealer I just know that everyone loves Brian alot. Ill post the idealscope as soon as I get it. Thanks again everyone.
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Look forward to seeing the image!
 
James Allen called today and said the stones were being held at one of their partner stores, and wouldnt be available till the end of passover on Thursday. Should have emailed first thing monday morning oh well, the gentleman I spoke to was very polite and was nice enough to call versus email, the personal touch is appreciated, I asked him about the full carat and he''s familiar with it and thought it was a very nice looking stone, hopefuly the ideal scope gives us a little more insight. THANKS to everyone involved in the selection process and their input so far.
 
We await additional information when you get it!

I feel like you need to pick the vendor that fits your needs. If you are looking for a super ideal H&A, then BGD is the top choice for me. But if you are looking for an ideal cut stone and perhaps want to maximize your budget, then I think JA is the best option.
 
As long as the stone is on hold for you.
 
just called JA to confirm the CSR put the the full carat stone on hold for me and it turns out he put all three stones on hold till the images are taken. Def a reassuring thought.
 
Still waiting on the images didn''t realize it wasn''t going to be till next thursday for them to get the stones and to get them photographed anybody else waiting on stones from James Allen? Its not the end of the world but i have an idea on when to propose and its becoming an issue of where times of the essence. Will see what happens I guess. The setting is on order in the mean and that takes a week anyway.
 
sorry didnt know how upload multiples at once 1104120

1104120.jpg
 
and finally 1103477 heres what darin the saleman had to say
These are all exemplary examples of what you are looking for in an Idealscope. Edge to edge brilliance, minimal light leakage, and optimal symmetry. However, you will not be purchasing all three:)
Based on both the Idealscope image as well as the diamonds characteristics I would recommend 1289043 (.90ct F VS2). The diamond is 100% eye-clean with absolutely no visible inclusions or factors disrupting its brilliance. The diamond faces up glacial white and incandescent.

I can hold this diamond for an additional 24 hours, please let me know how you would like to proceed.

1103477#.jpg
 
All Idealscope images look good to me.

All of them eye-clean too?

If so, then up to personal preference. :p

EDT:
If you have the time, ask for their gemologist's opinion on which of the 3 performs best.
 
Date: 4/8/2010 12:34:12 AM
Author: rewdey
and finally 1103477 heres what darin the saleman had to say
These are all exemplary examples of what you are looking for in an Idealscope. Edge to edge brilliance, minimal light leakage, and optimal symmetry. However, you will not be purchasing all three:)
Based on both the Idealscope image as well as the diamonds characteristics I would recommend 1289043 (.90ct F VS2). The diamond is 100% eye-clean with absolutely no visible inclusions or factors disrupting its brilliance. The diamond faces up glacial white and incandescent.

I can hold this diamond for an additional 24 hours, please let me know how you would like to proceed.
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In that case discuss the stone further with the gemologist, the IS image looks good.
 
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1289574.asp

just browsing their stock before i call today and discuss, this popped up and looked interesting a well.
Ill be calling at some point this morning and get the gemologists opinion.
 
yap, the new stone looks promising too.
 
Called today and the salesman ive been emailing is out of the office for the week, so i got someone else. Asked her about an idealscope for the new one and no go i used my limit of my three up on the first three, talked to her about getting the information on the full carat I have a feeling its not eye clean like i would like. At this point im thinking of going with one of the .90's (1289043-0.90 f-vs2 and 1289574 0.90 Carat G-VS2) and leaning a little bit more towards the newest one 1289574 because of the symmetry. These will be much more mind clean to me then the carat. She pointed out that the pavilion on the first one is 40.8 and the newer is 41 which is a .1 of a degree out of the recommended measurement they suggest is this a big deal? Will update when they call back.

EDT they just called the carat is eye clean have a feeling i would like it but still leaning towards the .90's i have 24 hrs while both are on hold of course the gem rep that emailed me wont be back till monday I asked if they would hold till he got back for his opinion but they said their policy is firm on 24 hrs.

heres the setting im getting if it means anything

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Ok, I am confuse. Darin is a sales rep, not a gemologist, he is the one on leave right?

I thought JA has 3 gemologists working for them?

The 0.2 degrees difference is not a problem if you can get an idealscope image. It all depends on the averaging and rounding of the numbers by GIA. 8 pavilion facets averaged and then rounded in steps of 0.2 degrees for GIA.
 
I have done the math before... in a setting with a halo of diamonds around the center stone, you *will not* be able to see the difference in size between the .90s and the 1.0.

Ditto Stone about talking to the gemologist.
 
Stone sorry about that Darin is the experienced sales rep(as the girl i talked to informed shes new to the company) that gave his opinion on the three original Idealscopes you suggested i request. He is out till monday. His recommendation was to go with the .90F-sv2 out of those three. I asked the new girl for an idealscope on the newest one but she said JA has a policy of three idealscopes per customer. Should I be asking the current sales rep to ask the gemoligist which is the better stone or what? Im getting a little confused.

THANKS to everyones insightful wisdom so far your comments have really helped me make this reality come true.
 
Ask for an appointment with one of their gemologists.

Maybe drop the D SI1 and and ask for the IS of the new stone and for the gemologist's opinion on which of the new 3 is best.
 
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