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Jeff O

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Good or no good? I have been looking everywhere and am in the same situation as all newbies. Just trying to do my homework and bounce ideas off you guys:

Here''s the specs
1.54ct Round Brilliant
7.29 - 7.18 x 4.57

Depth=62.9%
Table=61%
Crown= 13.6%
Pavilion=42.8%
Girdle= Thin to Thick faceted
Culet=None
Polish=Very Good
Symmetry =good
SI1
Flouresence=None
Color=I

EGL cert LA April 27, 2005

$7500


Any good?

This looks like a VS2 though almost, very nice.
It looks like it has alot of fire, but when I put it in the pricescope cut advisior it says the depth is too large.



I also have a 1.6 CT with ideal cut ex/ex polish symmetry SI1 I color but this SI1 has many inclusions seen with loupe, but not to eye. Put this one in price scope advisior it come out very good. But this one is EGL in Isreal. A little weary.

Please Help with advice.
 
The stone that EGL Israel is talking about is what I would refer to as an average cut grade. The problem I have seen with EGL Israel is that they tend to high grade the stones. My recommendation is to consider the stone to be 1-2 grades lower in color and clarity. The last EGL report that I read had a small piece of paper included stating that the color and clarity my vary by up to 2 grades from a GIA/GTL report. If they are starting to acknowledge that they are that inaccurate, why are they still claiming to be accurately grading diamonds? My only advice is very simple; If you like the way the stone talks to you (sparkles), consider it. My caution is have a local independant appraiser verify the stone for ALL value features.

Hope this helps. If nothing else, I am sure that it will start a conversation.

Regards,

John
 
Jeff O

my advise is to go look at more top ideal cut diamonds,before you make any decision.
 
Not loving this stone for a number of reasons. The swing on the mm is not tight enough for my tastes. The table is too large. And, I don''t like the swing on the girdle from thin to thick. All makes me wonder how much care was taken in the cutting of this stone.
 
Yes, this is what I need, good honest advice. Maybe I will keep looking then. Why won;t the pricescope cut advisor let me enter those numbers?
 
And what else can I find in this price range? $7500-9,000
Already been to all online places, what are your opinions?
 
Jeff,

Based on the Pricescope discounted price at $700 more ($8191), here''s one option for the goods you''re seeking without some of the negatives you''ve experienced.

Otherwise...


Date: 5/21/2005 10:20:52 AM
Author: Jeff O
Yes, this is what I need, good honest advice. Maybe I will keep looking then. Why won;t the pricescope cut advisor let me enter those numbers?
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Two possibilities...you tried to run the data, treating the %s for crown & pavilion as angles; retry?

Or, you entered them as percents, and still got stuck as I did. The report suggests that with the reported depth, the girdle is too big. That''s going to be one possibility. Also, the author of tool, while providing percents for entry as an option, warns against using that data, because of the problems associated with rounding to get that data. If angles were available to you for that stone -- either because that shop has such measuring equipment (like sarin), or some other relatively easy means, that''s a way to double check.

Alternately, the advantaged pricing of the option you have referenced to is likely associated with info presented with other threads on the board right now discussing EGL certs generally...just to help keep you oriented.

Best,
 
Ya, that is also a nice stone. What else do you think is wrong with the one above? How come some EGL have what the cut is and others just give proportions?

That was a 1.2
 
Date: 5/21/2005 9:43:18 AM
Author: fire&ice
Not loving this stone for a number of reasons. The swing on the mm is not tight enough for my tastes. The table is too large. And, I don''t like the swing on the girdle from thin to thick. All makes me wonder how much care was taken in the cutting of this stone.
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Agreed. The numbers do not scream "well cut", and the fact that several don''t look good (diameter, table, depth, etc) would make me keep looking. You could check it with an idealscope to see what kind of light return/leakage it has.

You might consider a good SI2. You''ll have to work with the vendors to make sure the inclusions aren''t super visible or an integrity problem, but some people here have had great luck cherry picking SI2s. Here''s one you could check out.
 
THat looks like a way to go too. It's just you have to see the diamond for yourself sometimes. The diamond I have, the proportions don;t stand out but when you look at it it sparkles very nicely. I think maybe I am better off going with a GIA cert diamond vs an EGL. Should I definitely stay away from the above diamond and look at others? These shipping charges are adding up.

AS with above advice, Who likes this one??


Price: $8,401.00
Report: GIA
Shape: Round Ideal Cut
Carat: 1.54
Color: I
Clarity: SI1
Depth: 60.9
Table: 57
Crown Angle: 34.4
Crown %: 14.7
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion %: 42.9
Girdle: MEDIUM Faceted
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Culet: None
Fluorescence: No
Measurements: 7.44-7.48X4.54
 
Date: 5/22/2005 8:47:11 AM
Author: Jeff O
THat looks like a way to go too. It''s just you have to see the diamond for yourself sometimes. The diamond I have, the proportions don;t stand out but when you look at it it sparkles very nicely. I think maybe I am better off going with a GIA cert diamond vs an EGL. Should I definitely stay away from the above diamond and look at others? These shipping charges are adding up.

AS with above advice, Who likes this one??


Price: $8,401.00
Report: GIA
Shape: Round Ideal Cut
Carat: 1.54
Color: I
Clarity: SI1
Depth: 60.9
Table: 57
Crown Angle: 34.4
Crown %: 14.7
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion %: 42.9
Girdle: MEDIUM Faceted
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Culet: None
Fluorescence: No
Measurements: 7.44-7.48X4.54
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From the numbers, this looks like a real winner. Can you swing the extra $900.00?
 
Date: 5/22/2005 12:39:49 PM
Author: fire&ice

From the numbers, this looks like a real winner. Can you swing the extra $900.00?
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Ditto - this one looks fabulous and should be a winner!
 
The numbers look great! Check out hte inclusions, and see if you can get some pictures.
 
This is great advice and encouragment
 
That one looks good to me, let us know what you decide. Good luck!!!
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another vote on stone #2 from me
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Regular Guy, you suggested this stone and I was waiting for them to send pics and now it is gone, but I was very much liking that stone and appreciate your suggestion. "Based on the Pricescope discounted price at $700 more ($8191), here's one option for the goods you're seeking without some of the negatives you've experienced."

Do you have any other suggestions for me like this stone you suggested?


Price: $8,401.00
Report: GIA
Shape: Round Ideal Cut
Carat: 1.54
Color: I
Clarity: SI1
Depth: 60.9
Table: 57
Crown Angle: 34.4
Crown %: 14.7
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion %: 42.9
Girdle: MEDIUM Faceted
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Culet: None
Fluorescence: No
Measurements: 7.44-7.48X4.54




 
Date: 5/20/2005 7:39:58 PM
Author:Jeff O

This (initial I/SI choice) looks like a VS2 though almost, very nice.
It looks like it has alot of fire, but when I put it in the pricescope cut advisior it says the depth is too large.

I also have a 1.6 CT with ideal cut ex/ex polish symmetry SI1 I color but this SI1 has many inclusions seen with loupe, but not to eye. Put this one in price scope advisior it come out very good. But this one is EGL in Isreal. A little weary.
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Between these two, did the stone that scored better on HCA also look better ? If not, than the test is simply not useful for these two.

The origin of the lab reports is not a huge problem: the papers are just good to establish the price and there surely is a price for anything. Just do not compare prices with GIA graded stones of the same grades. If you use pricescope's database for price comparison, there are enough EGL USA graded stones for refference. If the other stone looks better to you, having it appraised during the return period would solve the problem. You might just want to take a broad guess and compare its price with those of GIA graded diamonds at least two grades (one color & one clarity) lower just to see if it is worth the hassle.

Just IMO, of course.

An ideal cut with all those bells and whistles is a safer bet perhaps, but this doesn't mean nothing else deserves a second thought. Especially if you did like the stones to begin with.

Have you seen one of those H&A in flesh ?


If EGL's I/Si1 was ok with you, J/SI1 graded by GIA or AGS can't be any worse. Add a great cut and it can only be better.

How about this one:

(AGS) 1.54cts J/Si1 $7500 (link)
Depth %: 61.8
Table %: 55
Symmetry: Ideal
Polish: Ideal
Girdle: T-M
Culet: P
Fluorescence: N
Measurements: 7.39-7.46-4.59

Obtaining a copy of the lab report with clarity plot and proportions should be farely quick.

And there's another piece, still AGS graded, but not AGS0 cut. The lab report should have those crucial proportions on it anyway. If you do ask for one, you could ask for two...

(AGS) 1.54 J /Si1 $6500 (link)
Carat weight: 1.54
Depth %: 62.4
Table %: 56
Symmetry: Good
Polish: Very Good
Girdle: STK F
Culet: N
Fluorescence: N
Measurements: 7.34-7.40-4.60

Best of luck !
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Date: 5/20/2005 7:39:58 PM
Author:Jeff O


1.54ct Round Brilliant
7.29 - 7.18 x 4.57
Depth=62.9%
Table=61%
Crown= 13.6%
Pavilion=42.8%
Girdle= Thin to Thick faceted
Culet=None
Polish=Very Good
Symmetry =good
SI1
Flouresence=None
Color=I


It looks like it has alot of fire, but when I put it in the pricescope cut advisior it says the depth is too large.
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The numbers are wird... my guess is that the pavilion number is an angle, not %. As is the average girdle thickness would be over 6% (= total depth - crown height - pavilion depth) which is too much to be realistic.

Taking that 42.8 as angle the HCA score is 6.2. Not surprisong, since that''s a rather steep angle.

It may be that the stone looks fiery under strong lights, but anything would look good if the lighting is just so. Did you take these away of the bright spot ligts likely to be over the counter of the shop into more natural lighting ? Diamonds change face quite a bit in different lighting situations, but it takes a great cut for the stone to appear bright in normal indoor lighting.

Just IMO, of course
 
Yes, I had it outside and still looked nice, but I am by no means an expert. The girdle is a little thick in one area and then has a slight inclusion, line, cut next to it.
 
Date: 5/24/2005 7:55:29 AM
Author: Jeff O


Regular Guy, you suggested this stone and I was waiting for them to send pics and now it is gone, but I was very much liking that stone and appreciate your suggestion. 'Based on the Pricescope discounted price at $700 more ($8191), here's one option for the goods you're seeking without some of the negatives you've experienced.'

Do you have any other suggestions for me like this stone you suggested?


Price: $8,401.00
Report: GIA
Shape: Round Ideal Cut
Carat: 1.54
Color: I
Clarity: SI1
Depth: 60.9
Table: 57
Crown Angle: 34.4
Crown %: 14.7
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion %: 42.9
Girdle: MEDIUM Faceted
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Culet: None
Fluorescence: No
Measurements: 7.44-7.48X4.54






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Jeff,

I see nothing quite like it right now on this board...with the best alternative $500 more and SI 2 at GOG, and not providing plan B. For more on this, and...with the suggestion you DIY, review the link under my signature for how to shop, for my best advice.

Best,
 
Thanks for the advice, I am searching right now. Let me know too if you come accross anything that would be greatly appreciated as I respect your opinion.
 
Jeff,

For some reason, I feel confident enough to go forward with the feeble knowledge I have to make actual recommendations for people. WF has an excellent reputation, and I''m guessing you found this on a possibly a special list of theirs, you have an early awareness of this one, such that it is not yet on the search by cut list here...and not only that...not even written up for it''s crown & pavilion measurements.

It''s likely to be a winner, but press them for the info. A small number of options they have that are even expert analysis score poorly on the HCA, and while I think even those are probably pretty good, I think your world of options is going to be wide enough, such that your selections should also consciously conform to the world of physics as they''re also generally known.

So, get more info, and go forward. My 2 cents.
 

Got more info. Sarin, ideal scope. 10x pic and 40x pic. Looks good.


HCA scores 1.8 ex/vg/vg/vg


 
Date: 5/25/2005 11:40:01 AM
Author: Jeff O


Got more info. Sarin, ideal scope. 10x pic and 40x pic. Looks good.




HCA scores 1.8 ex/vg/vg/vg




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Sounds good to me; break a leg!

(edited to add): you may take the qualifier represented at the end of this thread, with Mara's comments...I frankly will be seeking clarification on this whole thing in a post I want to write shortly. Meanwhile...and depending on your time frame & such...unless you have some time to kill, in which case..yes, I would be motivated to wait for more exs...I think for the price point, size, and general quality you're seeking to find, you've optimized pretty well.

Best,
 
Date: 5/25/2005 2:25:48 PM
Author: Jeff O

Okay, comes down to these 2, which one??

https://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-1137365.htm# 1.4


https://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-1335321.htm# 1.8

In a classic white gold tiffany 4 prong







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Jeff,

Doulble check your math on your new option...not only do I get instead 1.7, I get another 3 vg; more problematically, the very thin girdle could be an issue. Between the two, I like the I better.

Cheers,
 
I could very well be wrong. I am recovering from knee surgery and have to take hydrocodone for pain, so I am not all there. Thanks for double checking. Let me see. I like that it is much bigger, but yes, I am too concerned on girdle cracking. So you would go with the I, okay.

Just checked it. When you calculate using the Sarin numbers instead of GIA numbers you get 1.4 ex/ex/ex/vg

for the J stone
 
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