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cheche99

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Hi guys!

I'm completely new to this but I have read all the guides and I need your input on one diamond that I have found here in Scandinavia. The price is 2750 USD. What do you think? Any recommendations for measurements for stones 0.5 ct - 0.7?

https://vanbruun.com/en/diamonds?carat=0.6-&clarity=VS1-&color=F-&cut=9&cutGrade=Excellent-&details=135513332&orderBy=Carat-Asc&page=21


Color: D
Clarity: VS1
Cut:
Round
Carat:
0.66
Symmetry:
Excellent
Polish:
Excellent
Certificate Number:
6315145389
Measurements:
5.59x5.55x3.48
Table Width:
54
Total Depth:
62.50
Crown Height:
15.50
Pavilion Depth:
43.50
Culet Size:
0
Girdle:
None
Fluorescence:
None
 

Stephan

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The GIA report is quite recent, the small table sounds very promising, and a 34/41 combo is fine.
Is there a possibility to request pictures, or even better, Idealscope or ASET picture?
The report is only one part of the equation.
 
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Snowdrop13

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It scores 1.5 on the HCA, which is good, although I’d say it’s cut a bit deep. I don’t know your purchasing/tax obligations but the stone is available from B2C online at $2362.

Also, is there a reason for the high colour and clarity combination? You might be able to get a bigger stone if you dropped to, say, G VS2
 

Stephan

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Of course you can go G-H VS2-SI1.
I checked your stone and chose EU, because I live in Belgium.
The price goes up to 3020 EUR...
That's more than VAT + duties...
 

sledge

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Girdle, none?..I have never seen a none girdle... :confused:
It’s just some kind of error - there is a GIA report
The original link is not very useful. See GIA cert below. Girdle is medium to slightly think @ 4%.

What I found interesting is the crown height is 15.5% with a 34 crown angle. I know the overall depth, crown and table all have relationship to each other but I typically don't see a crown % that high when the crown angle is shallow. I'd expect to see < 15%.

Since I don't have fancy diamond software, I need to crack open my CAD program and confirm something isn't off there.

Also, the pavilion depth is pushing it at 43.5%. More info below on why:

https://www.prosumerdiamonds.com/pavilion-depth-table/

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cheche99

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The original link is not very useful. See GIA cert below. Girdle is medium to slightly think @ 4%.

What I found interesting is the crown height is 15.5% with a 34 crown angle. I know the overall depth, crown and table all have relationship to each other but I typically don't see a crown % that high when the crown angle is shallow. I'd expect to see < 15%.

Since I don't have fancy diamond software, I need to crack open my CAD program and confirm something isn't off there.

Also, the pavilion depth is pushing it at 43.5%. More info below on why:

https://www.prosumerdiamonds.com/pavilion-depth-table/

GIA.png

Hi! The only info i could find related to this was
“The most important thing you need to know about the pavilion angle is that 41 degrees is generally accepted to be the furthest you can take a diamond before it begins to leak light. ”

Does this mean that this diamond is close to the limit and therefore not a good one? Thx for the input! Really useful.
 

Stephan

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Thanks so much! Exactly what I was looking for. How did you find this? would it be safe to assume then that the seller gets the diamonds from the same place as bluenile?
I just did a search on Pricescope, and yes, the vendors have access to similar sources. ;-)
 

cheche99

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Hi everyone,

Thanks a ton for all the valuable input! I really didn’t expect so much good answers :) regarding the size the personal preference is to not go over 0.7 ct but most likely the ring will be in 18K yellow gold. Would you recommend me to go down a grade when it comes to color? Currently I am only looking at diamonds with grading D, E or F. Since the diamond will not be so big in size, It’s even more important for me that the quality of diamond is top! Do you think this diamond is something to go for or should I Keep looking? The local price here would be around 3000 USD.

Again, thanks so much!
 

Stephan

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Will the prongs be in white metal or also yellow gold? D is a very symbolic color, if it's within your budget and you don't want a bigger diamond, this one is nice. If you want to spend less money, you could buy a F.
 

Stephan

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I think the price sounds good too, when you look at prices of the Blue Nile Astor ideal cut for the same color/clarity, your stone would be much smaller.
 

Snowdrop13

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Hi everyone,

Thanks a ton for all the valuable input! I really didn’t expect so much good answers :) regarding the size the personal preference is to not go over 0.7 ct but most likely the ring will be in 18K yellow gold. Would you recommend me to go down a grade when it comes to color? Currently I am only looking at diamonds with grading D, E or F. Since the diamond will not be so big in size, It’s even more important for me that the quality of diamond is top! Do you think this diamond is something to go for or should I Keep looking? The local price here would be around 3000 USD.

Again, thanks so much!
You want your diamond to be beautifully sparkly no matter what size it is so the CUT is the most important thing. COLOUR is very personal, but unless you are very sensitive you should be fine with a G, or even H. CLARITY is important in that you want the diamond to be eye clean, but at this size VS2 and maybe even Si1 will be OK.

Here are the cut parameters to look for,

table: 54-58
depth: 60-62.3
crown angle: 34-35.0
pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9 (sometimes 41.0)

Are you happy to buy online? Is Blue Nile available in your country?
 

kmoro

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Hi! The only info i could find related to this was
“The most important thing you need to know about the pavilion angle is that 41 degrees is generally accepted to be the furthest you can take a diamond before it begins to leak light. ”

Does this mean that this diamond is close to the limit and therefore not a good one? Thx for the input! Really useful.
Yes, it is at the limit where PA might be considered too high, but the important thing is how it pairs with the crown angle ... a CA of 34 pairs well with a PA of 40.9, and a a CA of 35 pairs well with a PA of 40.6, for example. All of these numbers are averaged and so there can be a lot of variation ... that would be my hesitation getting a diamond with average angle really close to the limit ... in the end it is how all the facets work together. So the 41 PA might be just fine with the 34 CA but is not usually the ideal parameter.

Also I think the crown height is explained by the small table?
 

Stephan

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Really nothing wrong with this diamond.
The 54% table makes the crown higher, and 54% is rare and most of the people here will prefer it over 57-58% table.
The girdle could be a little thinner, this doesn't affect performance, you just lose a little spread.
A 34/41 combo has nothing to worry about, it's in fact one of the top combinations.
The video on Blue Nile shows a beautiful pattern.
And it's laser inscribed, D GIA.
As you told us that your diamond has to be smaller than 0.7ct, I think this is a nice diamond.
Of course, you could go lower in color or clarity, but if you can afford a D then why not.
 

Stephan

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I remember a few years ago Brian Gavin mentioning that body color is more visible once pavilion angle is greater than 41. But it's a D here. ;-)
 

Stephan

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Are you happy to buy online? Is Blue Nile available in your country?
I know it's OP you are asking. But I'd like to answer it. As OP, I also live in Europe. Blue Nile is a very convenient place to buy from, because they directly charge you taxes/duties. Other sellers won't charge you taxes when shipping to Europe, and this is a PITA because depending the carrier, you will be charged less or more fees and the delivery guy will know that your package is an expensive one.
EDIT: when I import jewelry from the US, I know only use the option "hold at FedEx location" because in 2009 one of my boxes came empty. The seller offered me a replacement, but this decision took a few weeks and it was a very stressful period for me.
 

Snowdrop13

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I know it's OP you are asking. But I'd like to answer it. As OP, I also live in Europe. Blue Nile is a very convenient place to buy from, because they directly charge you taxes/duties. Other sellers won't charge you taxes when shipping to Europe, and this is a PITA because depending the carrier, you will be charged less or more fees and the delivery guy will know that your package is an expensive one.
EDIT: when I import jewelry from the US, I know only use the option "hold at FedEx location" because in 2009 one of my boxes came empty. The seller offered me a replacement, but this decision took a few weeks and it was a very stressful period for me.
I’m sorry to hear you had a problem with a delivery from the US, that must have been very unpleasant. I’m also in Europe and agree about Blue Nile, although I have also bought from Whiteflash with no issues.
 

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I’m also in Europe and agree about Blue Nile, although I have also bought from Whiteflash with no issues.
There should be no issue, but I strongly recommend to use the "hold at fedex" option, and to videotape when you open your package at FedEx. Blue Nile ships from Ireland or the UK, I don't remember, so the value of the package is not mentioned on it and the taxes are perceived directly. (But even then I would ask FedEx to hold the package.)
 

cheche99

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Really nothing wrong with this diamond.
The 54% table makes the crown higher, and 54% is rare and most of the people here will prefer it over 57-58% table.
The girdle could be a little thinner, this doesn't affect performance, you just lose a little spread.
A 34/41 combo has nothing to worry about, it's in fact one of the top combinations.
The video on Blue Nile shows a beautiful pattern.
And it's laser inscribed, D GIA.
As you told us that your diamond has to be smaller than 0.7ct, I think this is a nice diamond.
Of course, you could go lower in color or clarity, but if you can afford a D then why not.
Went in today and saw that the Diamond was now sold :(( typical..But very thanks a lot for the blue nile tip! I really didnt think that they could ship to sweden without additional fees so ordering from the UK site is great news from me!

Now I need to find another diamond but so far I think that I want to go for 0.6 or 0.65 ct
Color: G/F (I will have it on a 18K gold setting so then I guess it doesnt need to be E or D
Clarity: Excellent or Ideal/Astor Ideal

Could you please help me find a suitable diamond or something similiar to the one I already found? :)
Is there anything else that I should think about that I haven't covered?
 

cheche99

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Went in today and saw that the Diamond was now sold:(( typical..But very thanks a lot for the blue nile tip! I really didnt think that they could ship to sweden without additional fees so ordering from the UK site is great news from me!

Now I need to find another diamond but so far I think that I want to go for 0.6 or 0.65 ct
Color: G/F (I will have it on a 18K gold setting so then I guess it doesnt need to be E or D
Clarity: Excellent or Ideal/Astor Ideal

Could you guys please help me find a suitable diamond or something similiar to the one I already found? :)
Is there anything else that I should think about that I haven't covered?
 

sledge

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Went in today and saw that the Diamond was now sold:(( typical..But very thanks a lot for the blue nile tip! I really didnt think that they could ship to sweden without additional fees so ordering from the UK site is great news from me!

Now I need to find another diamond but so far I think that I want to go for 0.6 or 0.65 ct
Color: G/F (I will have it on a 18K gold setting so then I guess it doesnt need to be E or D
Clarity: Excellent or Ideal/Astor Ideal

Could you guys please help me find a suitable diamond or something similiar to the one I already found? :)
Is there anything else that I should think about that I haven't covered?
I was concerned that stone was sold. I noticed the BN site had it listed as unavailable the other day when I initially commented on this thread. Sorry for your bad luck. But the good news is we can help you find something equally as good or better.

You mentioned the UK. Are you open to internet retailers located in the USA that would ship to the UK, or do you want someone with a UK presence?

I'm asking because for about the same money you can slip into a super ideal diamond with true hearts & arrow (H&A) symmetry. Plus you'd have access to killer upgrade programs (get full price of original diamond if you spend $1 or more on a new diamond, no other restrictions).

If you prefer a UK presence, CBI sources & cuts stones and sells through a dealer network. As such, they have shops located in the USA, UK, etc. HPD (or High Performance Diamonds) is well known on this forum and in the USA for providing excellent customer service. They seem to cater the online market more then CBI's other dealers. Nice thing is CBI works with their dealers so the diamond price is the same rather you buy from HPD or another dealer.

While I am showing you the HPD listings, you could purchase these same stones through another CBI dealer in the UK. All prices shown in $USD.

CBI/HPD 0.62ct G VS2 @ $2,772 wire
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD10033

CBI/HPD 0.61ct G VS2 @ $2,727 wire
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD9472

CBI/HPD 0.61ct E SI1 @ $2,652 wire
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD10493

CBI/HPD 0.60ct E SI1 @ $2,608 wire
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD9379


CBI Website:
http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/

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sledge

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If you don't mind dealing with some US vendors, WF is top notch and also highly recommended with the same awesome trade-in program I mentioned earlier. Also, they will ship overseas.

WF ACA 0.601ct F VS2 @ $2,581 wire :love: :love:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4027967.htm

WF ACA 0.601ct G SI1 @ $2,199 wire
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4060791.htm

WF ACA 0.605ct G VS1 @ $2,657 wire
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3964557.htm

WF ACA 0.607ct F VS1 @ $2,877 wire
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4006533.htm

WF ACA 0.610ct G VS2 @ $2,510 wire
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3982393.htm

WF ACA 0.622ct G VS2 @ $2,531 wire
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4027966.htm
 

cheche99

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If you don't mind dealing with some US vendors, WF is top notch and also highly recommended with the same awesome trade-in program I mentioned earlier. Also, they will ship overseas.

WF ACA 0.601ct F VS2 @ $2,581 wire :love: :love:
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4027967.htm

WF ACA 0.601ct G SI1 @ $2,199 wire
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4060791.htm

WF ACA 0.605ct G VS1 @ $2,657 wire
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3964557.htm

WF ACA 0.607ct F VS1 @ $2,877 wire
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4006533.htm

WF ACA 0.610ct G VS2 @ $2,510 wire
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3982393.htm

WF ACA 0.622ct G VS2 @ $2,531 wire
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4027966.htm
Hi! This is great but need vendors like Blue Nile that could ship to scandinavia with all the VAT included in the price so James Allen etc is off limits :(
 

kmoro

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I apologize in advance because my post is not very useful ...

I’m always confused when someone from overseas looks to buy diamonds from the US. I suppose it’s possible that the best online vendors are located in the US, but I really find it hard to believe that ideal cut diamonds can’t be found in other places of the world. Also, I can understand a US citizen abroad might take comfort in the familiarity of US vendors and business practices.

Europe is so small. If you can’t find an ideal diamond where you are in Europe, maybe take a weekend trip to a city where they have them?

I just looked at an online vendor in Israel who offers GIA diamonds at about 75% of the cost in the US. Not to mention the cutting houses in Antwerp.

For the record, PS vendors are known globally for outstanding products and services ... it’s just that there really must be others out there. I personally would not feel comfortable recommending any other vendors because I have never dealt with them, but with some research, I’m sure some good alternates can be found on other continents.

Now I’ll let you return to your regular programming, lol.
 
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