New Ring - Not Leo- Help Please, Ignore old post:)

[jamiehoover]

Rainy Daze,

thank you so much for the informative response, and to all others too!

I just went back to Kay''s and have relatively good news, based on the forum''s help. Please let me know how much "better" off I am now. I went in, more informed, and said what I was looking for. Before, when I went in, (as another poster said I shouldnt have done, I told them it was a trade first thing), I reapproached Kay''s , with a different saleman today, and he said that he would do his best for me, after I said that Im informed and talking to experts So, he offered me more money for the rings trade, instead of 3600, up to 4500 (so progress right???) Additionally, after talking with you all, I didnt feel comfortable downsizing in rings, so Im scratching the Leo idea. Because based on what you all said, if I get it looked at by an outside independent apprasier, the Leo might not even be all that great, right? So, I am currently looking at a ring priced at 11000. He said he would give me 4500 in trade. He also scratched the price down from 11000 to 9500. So, this leaves me at a payment price, if I choose to buy, of around 5500 after taxes, white gold ring, and warranty. After he said the 5500 price, I said that I am still not comfortable and it would need to be round the 3600 that I wanted to pay. He then said that he would be giving me calls if anything works out with price reduction (they are having a couple of show and sales dates within the next month. So, if I was able to get the ring for say 4000, with 4000 into it already, so a total of 8000, for a ring marked at 11000, it seems like a good idea AT FACE VALUE, is this correct?

Here are some ring specs that I wrote down, does this seem like a nice ring for the price?

Round Brilliant
1.50 CT
Color I
Clarity SI (2)
Polish/Symmetry Very good each
measurements 7.28-7.37 x 4.46 mm

thanks and anything would be helpful

 

[jamiehoover]

Additionally, Is it possible to ask to have the ring independently certified for qualities BEFORE paying for it? If so, anyone know how to go about that, I live in the northern virginia area, and would be looking for someone independent and at a good price, maybe theres a site to help me find someone like this?

 

[krisvrn]

Really you are not getting a good deal? he is raising up the price of ring number1 and then he is also upping the sale price of 2nd ring. I would really forget about Kay''s.

 

[arjunajane]

Huh??
I swear you posted this exact same question here about the second kay''s ring https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/is-my-leo-diamond-ring-going-to-be-a-good-value-please-help.84795/
and so far about 8 PSers have told you no go - including me, no go! Please don''t ignore your other thread, as it has some good advice!

 

[gwendolyn]

You''d be swindled if you agreed to that deal. But it kind of sounds like you''re set on it, for some reason. If that''s the case, I''m not really sure why you bothered asking us what we think in the first place.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Jamie, a well cut 1.5 ct. stone should be about 7.4mm. That stone is not as round as it could be. I''d be happier with it if both measurements were 7.37 or close to that. We''d need the crown and pavilion angles to tell you anything about cut. As far as I know, there is no way to have it independently appraised without buying it and then returning it if it is not a good stone. With an IGI cert, that stone could be J or K color and I1 clarity. So there is really no way for us to know if the price is fair for what you are getting or not.

You''ve already overpaid for the first stone and I hate to see you get another overpriced poor quality stone. You should tell them you are only interested in seeing GIA Excellent cut stones. Then you might be in business.

 

[chrono]

1. That stone is out of round, which isn''t a good thing at all.
2. Also without the crown and pavilion angles, I have no idea if the stone is a beauty or dud. Please provide this information. There just isn''t enough information with the colour, clarity, depth % and table %.
3. I would not go with an IGI cert. Their grading is very lax so you are paying for a I/SI2 stone but receiving a K/I3 stone.

Please don''t get this stone.

 

[Lorelei]

Actually concerning the out of round remarks, when I posted that info a while back, Johm Quixote cautioned me that actually a diamond with the above measurements would not necessarily be considered out of round. It could be cut a bit tighter certainly and probably many here would far prefer that, but it needn''t be of huge concern in some diamonds if the rest of the proportions are acceptable.

 

[chrono]

Date: 5/8/2008 12:21:12 PM
Author: Lorelei
Actually concerning the out of round remarks, when I posted that info a while back, Johm Quixote cautioned me that actually a diamond with the above measurements would not necessarily be considered out of round. It could be cut a bit tighter certainly and probably many here would far prefer that, but it needn''t be of huge concern in some diamonds if the rest of the proportions are acceptable.

Lorelei,
Symmetry is very important to me and my eye can pick up the off roundness or off squareness easily. Maybe it doesn''t bother others. This is especially important if the buyer/wearer is planning on bezeling the stone because it then becomes more obvious.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 5/8/2008 12:25:36 PM
Author: Chrono

Date: 5/8/2008 12:21:12 PM
Author: Lorelei
Actually concerning the out of round remarks, when I posted that info a while back, Johm Quixote cautioned me that actually a diamond with the above measurements would not necessarily be considered out of round. It could be cut a bit tighter certainly and probably many here would far prefer that, but it needn't be of huge concern in some diamonds if the rest of the proportions are acceptable.

Lorelei,
Symmetry is very important to me and my eye can pick up the off roundness or off squareness easily. Maybe it doesn't bother others. This is especially important if the buyer/wearer is planning on bezeling the stone because it then becomes more obvious.

Sure I quite understand that. I am just thinking for those who may be reading and new to this, that once when I cautioned a poster that a diamond was potentially out of round, John jumped in and said ( in the nicest possible way of course

) that I was basing my advice on seeing all these superideal stones, and that in the non PS world actually for a decent make of diamond, that in some cases, it need not be considered to be a problem. The diamond in question measured something like 7.28 by 7.38 for example, so it was what I considered borderline at the time. So in this case, although I guess this isn't a top make stone, I just wanted to pass on the advice that John gave me so that those reading can get both views, depending on what they want to purchase.

 

[chrono]

Gotcha!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 5/8/2008 12:35:04 PM
Author: Chrono
Gotcha!

Thankees!

 

[teacherk]

I have to agree with the other posters here and say it would probably be best to sell the ring outright and shop with one of the online vendors recommended such as WhiteFlash. I''d steer clear of Kay''s. I was looking at the Kay''s Leo in a princess cut and had a shot at buying one second hand (sorry for the terrible pun) for almost half the retail price. Even at half of the Kay''s price (Kay''s wanted $6500) I was still not going to get much ring for my money compared to what I found at WF. I actually found almost an identical setting, better actually, and a GIA graded diamond that beats what Kay was offering. Kay''s had an SI1/I with IGI cert, my ring is a VS2/H using the tougher GIA standards. I was interested in the lifetime diamond warranty at Kay''s initially, but after checking into that discovered it only covers the diamond and only is valid if you have it inspected by them every six months. If you lose the entire ring or it is stolen, no help. I am purchasing a policy through Touchstone that will cost less than a $100 a year and covers me not just for the diamond, but the whole ring. If it is lost, damaged or stolen, I get to replace it! Can''t beat that! And no hoops to jump through. The information for Touchstone is linked on the WF home page. It might be worth your time to talk with someone at WF or another similar vendor to see what they could do for you just so you know what you could get for your money. I''m in the process of buying my ring( finally!) afer lots of research on this site and all over the web. The advice I found on this site is saving me a ton of money and I am getting a much nicer ring than I thought I could afford . BTW, I didn''t mention the WhiteFlash trade up policy. It is much better than the Kays'' trade up policy since there is no minimum price on the ring you trade for and you get your origianl purchase price towards the new ring. I think with Kay''s you have to buy another ring that is double the price. It''s worth checking into. Best of luck! I know everyone here would love to see you get a fabulous ring and save a ton of money! That is what this forum is all about! Trust the advice you are getting here. These folks are tops!